It's "Sierra"... not "Sugar"

[Huggyu2]

All I know is that my daughter has an A- in Freshman English, and and I'm going to get her opinion on all the above posts. I'm very confused....

 

[staledog]

There's a bank in KC that flies a Citation of some sort with the tail number ending in "CB". They always refer to themselves as "Citation 123 Charlie Brown".

I hear that stupid citation all the time! He drives me crazy. :smash:

 

[EastCoastLR35]

What's your baggage?

??HUH??

 

[filejw]

Getting back to Sugar.It is old school as is Baker but don't ask me what year it was changed.Sugar was wrong when I started flying in 1968 thou all the old WW II guys used it.

 

[aeronautic1]

What a bunch of whiney fokkers. Get a life.

 

[flyer172r]

Or for cripes sake guys could we stop asking for football scores over center freq. I think someone needs more paperwork to do....

I'll make you a deal, when the passengers stop asking the flight attendant if we can get the score to the game of their choice, I'll stop asking center to help me out.

 

[Flechas]

http://www.rotor.com/gallery/gallery/SafetyPosters/pro pilots use pro phraseology.JPG

 

[SpyFlysDOTs]

Recently heard a corp Cheyanne or some such truboprop, say (Not exact callsign) 4 Shugah Shugah, checking in.

Then every call after was answered with, "Roger Shug shug...."

C'mon!

 

[moxiepilot]

Nothing wrong with his terminology, it's his punctuation which needs a little tweaking. This sound better to you?

"It doesn't make you sound cool; on the contrary, it's kinda gay."

I too was impressed with A Squared using a semicolon AND a comma correctly. That is uncommon. Kudos to you.

Unlike the other examples here, Dixie at ATL is actually charted as "Dixie" on the airport diagram.

I believe that comes from the fact that ATL is a hub for Delta, which we know is the 4th phonetic letter of the alphabet. So, to combat confusion with Delta Airplane calls with Delta in the alphabet, they use "Dixie" as the identification of the letter "D"

Furthermore, No Joy is acceptable as transmitting you do not have the Traffic in sight. It is more commonly used by WWII age pilots rather than newer aviators. The calls during the theaters were, "Tally Ho" and "No Joy" for in sight and not in sight respectively.

There is more to the story than I can remember but, basically If the airplane warrior did not have the enemy in sight there was a chance the enemy would fly to american soil and kill people; therefore, there would be No Joy at home.

 

[414Flyer]

Furthermore, No Joy is acceptable as transmitting you do not have the Traffic in sight. It is more commonly used by WWII age pilots rather than newer aviators. The calls during the theaters were, "Tally Ho" and "No Joy" for in sight and not in sight respectively.

There is more to the story than I can remember but, basically If the airplane warrior did not have the enemy in sight there was a chance the enemy would fly to american soil and kill people; therefore, there would be No Joy at home.

Thats the whole point, its NOT WW2 pilots using it, or even military pilots either, since its on VHF when we hear it. There unfortunately are very few WW2 pilots flying, most are on permanent departure now.

"No joy" was a british wartime expression, now used by US military pilots too. I agree with those that it sound irredeemably dorky being used in a civilian context, and its also not correct phraseology.

Maybe those caught using it should be required to wear a helmet and oxygen mask too, especially if they are flying a 172, and made to say this in the pattern at least once.

"I am too close for missiles, and am switching to guns"

Maybe at some point has to tell ATC - "Your Dangerous!", or tells tower after landing "You can be my wingman anytime" just to complete the dorkyness factor.

 

[Way2Broke]

If I am not mistaked the military uses Sugar instead of Sierra.

 

[TonyC]

If I am not mistaked the military uses Sugar instead of Sierra.

You are mistaked.


It is the International Phonetic Alphabet.




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[MJG]

It always been my understanding from the AIM that you could use whatever term you wanted when calling out tail letters as long as the term was "clear and unmistakeable" or something to that effect. Doesn't the Disney Corp. Gulfstream fly around using "One Mickey Mouse" or something stupid like that??

But I will say this. Those of us out there flying 80-100 hours a month get real tired of always using the "correct" phraseology. As someone mentioned earlier it gets real old real quick. You'll go insane being mister "by the book" all the time. After all, variety is the spice of life, no ??

 

[Icelandair]

I wonder if all the pilot/controller glossary nazis get an email any time radio etiquette is mentioned here.

Although having read that earlier thread I noticed the last captain i flew with using those "excess words", but i let it slide, reminding myself that I'm a first year fo and not a check airman.

 

[TonyC]

Are you serious?

But I will say this. Those of us out there flying 80-100 hours a month get real tired of always using the "correct" phraseology. As someone mentioned earlier it gets real old real quick. You'll go insane being mister "by the book" all the time. After all, variety is the spice of life, no ??

I really hope you're not serious.

If following the rules all the time will result in your insanity, I recommend you find another line of work. What's so hard about using the Int'l Phonetic alphabet? Does it make you go crazy to follow your company's rules? Are there any other FARs that get under your skin? Did you inform your employer of this problem when you interviewed for the job?



General George S. Patton once said:

"If you can't get them to salute when they should salute and wear the clothes you tell them to wear, how are you going to get them to die for their country?"

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The phonetic alphabet is a little thing. If you can't do the little things right, how can you be entrusted to do the big things?



You were kidding, right?



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[MJG]

I really hope you're not serious.

If following the rules all the time will result in your insanity, I recommend you find another line of work. What's so hard about using the Int'l Phonetic alphabet? Does it make you go crazy to follow your company's rules? Are there any other FARs that get under your skin? Did you inform your employer of this problem when you interviewed for the job?

The phonetic alphabet is a little thing. If you can't do the little things right, how can you be entrusted to do the big things?

You were kidding, right?

Oh, you're one of "those" kind of pilots. My sincerest apologies.

 

[TonyC]

Oh, your one of "those" kind of pilots. My sincerest apologies.

No problem, Dude.


410 it, DUDE.




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[Fury220]

No problem, Dude.


410 it, DUDE.




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That just about sums it up.

 

[some_dude]

There was some dork running around the west coast a while back (or still?) with a sierra sierra tail number. He used to refer to himself as "Super Sport." To add insult to injury, he used to use "The Super Sport."

As in, "The Super Sport's leaving 410." Arrrrgh!

 

[Tram]

does anyone know if tallyho is correct or not? I flew with a "P3" guy who heard a guy say "tally ho" on the radio and threw a fit.. the kept rambling about "it's just tally.. it's JUST tally." I always thought it was tally ho?