It's "Sierra"... not "Sugar"

[mar]

Tally Ho.

As far as I'm concerned there are only two kinds of people who should use the term Tally Ho.

1) A military pilot flying a military airplane talking to a military controller.

2) An Englishman hunting fox.

Everyone else is kindly asked to refer to the Pilot/Controller glossary.

Glossery?
Glossory?

You know what I mean.

 

[PHX767]

Popeye = IMC, which would explain the no joy...


(And I'm only 24 )

Wow, Great job Fury220!

I didn't know that term was still in vogue. Now confess, you asked your Commander or Ops Officer, didn't you?

 

[Swede]

The whole slew of Tally, No Joy, Visual, and Blind terms come from military comm whereby the "code words" spoke volumes to all on a congested frequency with minimal airtime. Listening to a professionally executed air-air engagement between a 4-ship and some bad guys is a thing of beauty. Comm discipline is truly the mark of a well-run unit.

There are MANY more terms, such as "sorted", "locked", and directive terms like "pitch", "break", "press", and "separate". Bad guys become "North Package", "Leader", "Trailer", "South Spitter", "weeds", etc etc

It is tough to divorce these terms from your vocabulary after years of use. I personally think it is a bit pathetic to use them in the civilian world and try to use standard AIM comm.

One thing I did enjoy cross-country in a fighter is the ability to reply to an ATC traffic call like so:

ATC: "Chogy 1, you have traffic 12 o'clock, 15 miles, 1,000' below you."
Chogy 1: "Roger, radar contact there."
ATC: "Oh yeah, you guys can do that!"

 

[Fury220]

Wow, Great job Fury220!

I didn't know that term was still in vogue. Now confess, you asked your Commander or Ops Officer, didn't you?

Nope. Just knew it. I might be a FAIP, but I DID stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.

Actually, it's worth it as a military pilot to keep your nose in an operational 3-1 to keep up with some terminology. Swede listed a couple good ones.
Weeds = "said contact is low"
Spitter = "said contact is a singleton leaving a group of aircraft"
Press = "continue attack...direct support is assumed/maintained"


I might be a little off on these, but you get the idea on how a little brevity code can go a long way. Swede...what about "champange" and "stinger?" Those are nice ones, too.

 

[Swede]

Champagne... don't know that one. I'm going to guess a tall, very vertical formation, which can be tough to sort. Some units created their own terms, that might be one of them. Stinger to me implies a loner (or a tight 2-ship) in a rather deep trail designed to create havoc once the merge has matured into a turning fight.

The Soviets, in the good ol' days when our enemy was rational, tended to field staggered (lead trail or echelon) formations, whereas we tended to create huge line abreast "walls" for max radar coverage.

To simulate weird Soviet tactics, some guys had a "playbook" of formations and maneuvers, each aptly named something like The Chernobyl Glower, Goat Rodeo, Midget Rugby, Hair-On-Fire, and the always popular Polish Heart Attack.

 

[Fury220]

Here's out of the brevity word list I have access to in the office:

Champagne: "An attack of three distinct groups with two in front and one behind. The leading two groups are attempting to bracket, with a trailing third group flying up the middle." I imagine that, from 180 degrees aspect, it looks like an inverted champagne glass.

Stinger is similar: "A formation of two or more aircraft with a single in trail." I guess the difference would be that champagne is a group of elements, whereas stinger is a single formation.



Then there's the story about the stud that told FW Center that he had "PARROT BENT." haha.

 

[Tram]

I heard a Sugar Lobster yesterday in ATL...

 

[Mud Eagle]

each aptly named something like The Chernobyl Glower, Goat Rodeo, Midget Rugby, Hair-On-Fire, and the always popular Polish Heart Attack.

A RAF exchange officer I once flew with used the 'Exploding Bucket of F*ck' as a bandit, which was also aptly named.

 

[gkrangers]

Since we're on another phraseology kick...I talked to a retired Wash center supervisor today, and he likes the use of "With you".

I'm so confused.

 

[JediNein]

When ATC makes a traffic call, why is the response Looking or Tally {ho} better than Negative Contact or In Sight? It is not. So why use Looking?

Because 100% of the time I use "negative contact" the controller responds with "maintain visual separation."

Fly SAFE!
Jedi Nein

 

[Metro752]

Congrats JEDINein! You have "mistaked" this for a new thread.

 

[urflyingme?!]

Ya... WOW someone was bored!

 

[ferlo]

I knew a corp. guy who flew around this biz jet ending in "WW" that's "whiskey, whiskey" He insisted on calling it "double shot". A total embarassment.

 

[Way2Broke]

I knew a corp. guy who flew around this biz jet ending in "WW" that's "whiskey, whiskey" He insisted on calling it "double shot". A total embarassment.

Did any controllers actually get that. Sorry I hate to keep adding to a ancient thread.

 

[Gorilla]

It's a good thread worthy of ressurection. The winner for worst use of callsign so far must be the "Shug Shug" example. uke:


When I was interviewing, post military, and in the 707 simulator, I used the term "Wilco," a perfectly acceptable .mil term. The sim instructor backhanded me (drew blood) and said "Don't EVER say that again, or I will be forced to kill you."