It's "Sierra"... not "Sugar"

[HMR]

I try to worry about more serious matters.

HEARWIND

For instance, spelling your own screen name correctly?

 

[Jmmccutc]

i messed up and had a slip of the tounge once...i was flying to michigan with my buddy about two weeks ago and we were joking arround about different names for Kalamazoo Approach (basically we were making fun of them cause we were really bored) "Kazoo" Approach was our favorite name and upon calling them up i actually called them "Kazoo" approach...man did that piss them off...

 

[414Flyer]

he he. let's play kick the kid.

roger, abeam the fix, starting my T's.

http://www.joblo.com/games/kickthebaby.htm

 

[EastCoastLR35]

I love how all these threads start out "on topic" then they turn in to a b!tching session

 

[minitour]

In case you [the reader] aren't getting it....

The two responses to a traffic call are 1. Negative contact or 2. In sight.

'Looking' is not in the pilot/controller glossary. Telling ATC you have traffic on the "fish finder" only is waste of everyone's energy and indicates the transmitting pilots ignorance.

"No Joy" is for guys with call signs and movies.

If you don't know the rest, get your money back from your instructor....

Keeping this in mind, why is it that ATC is always asking me if I'm looking?

Drives me insane!

-mini

 

[FN FAL]

I love how all these threads start out "on topic" then they turn in to a b!tching session

What's your baggage?

 

[SDCFI]

Those who live in glass houses...

This is for everyone who argues "sugar" or whatever slang isn't in the AIM. Do you always say "climbing or descending to" when changing altitude, or "level" at your assigned alt? Are you one of those people who say "alright we'll cross this side of ABC at 13 and 250", or "we'll hurry on down for ya?" Point is nobody uses exact AIM phraseology anymore (did they ever?) I hear bad radio ettiquette from everyone, GA through Corporate/Frac/Airline/Cargo, and yes myself included. There's a time and place for levity on frequency, problem is too many people don't know when it is. For those who don't already, go read Don Brown's ATC columns on Avweb. He has some great examples of when bad phraseology can cause confusion and misunderstanding. Excellent reading.

 

[ATRedneck]

Are you one of those people who say "alright we'll cross this side of ABC at 13 and 250", or "we'll hurry on down for ya?" Point is nobody uses exact AIM phraseology anymore

Yeah, but nobody sounds like a limp-wrister when they say "ten and two-fifty."

My whole point was how gay it sounds when guys say "Sugar Fox" or "Sugar Pop."

 

[starchkr]

Ok, here a a few..

Sugar Momma...must only be said in a sexy womans voice though, if a man uses this, run the other way FAST.

Sugar Daddy...Well, i guess since we all work in this industry we will never be able to "truthfully" use this one.

There are also a few we use for our a/c when talking back and forth between company only...most of which are pretty dang hilarious, but they would unfortunately not be prudent on here, and a few would even be caught by the censor.

It's only phraseology, let them say what they want to say, if atc has a problem with it then they will say something. I agree that everyone uses the wrong terminology when talking on the radios, some take it to the extreme, but most of the time it is cool. Hearing the same old stuff all the time gets pretty darn boring, and i am sure it is the same for the atc guys/gals. I know at night we have lots of fun with the radios, and atc even plays along most of the time...maybe it is just more fun hanging out with the night guys versus all the day people, we just seem to have more fun and be more laid back.

 

[Photoflight]

What about the guy who screamed "oh crap" over STL center. Or for cripes sake guys could we stop asking for football scores over center freq. I think someone needs more paperwork to do....

center citiation 123 checkin in on one-three-three/thirty-five level three-three-ohh

 

[Huggyu2]

All I know is that my daughter has an A- in Freshman English, and and I'm going to get her opinion on all the above posts. I'm very confused....

 

[staledog]

There's a bank in KC that flies a Citation of some sort with the tail number ending in "CB". They always refer to themselves as "Citation 123 Charlie Brown".

I hear that stupid citation all the time! He drives me crazy. :smash:

 

[EastCoastLR35]

What's your baggage?

??HUH??

 

[filejw]

Getting back to Sugar.It is old school as is Baker but don't ask me what year it was changed.Sugar was wrong when I started flying in 1968 thou all the old WW II guys used it.

 

[aeronautic1]

What a bunch of whiney fokkers. Get a life.

 

[flyer172r]

Or for cripes sake guys could we stop asking for football scores over center freq. I think someone needs more paperwork to do....

I'll make you a deal, when the passengers stop asking the flight attendant if we can get the score to the game of their choice, I'll stop asking center to help me out.

 

[Flechas]

http://www.rotor.com/gallery/gallery/SafetyPosters/pro pilots use pro phraseology.JPG

 

[SpyFlysDOTs]

Recently heard a corp Cheyanne or some such truboprop, say (Not exact callsign) 4 Shugah Shugah, checking in.

Then every call after was answered with, "Roger Shug shug...."

C'mon!

 

[moxiepilot]

Nothing wrong with his terminology, it's his punctuation which needs a little tweaking. This sound better to you?

"It doesn't make you sound cool; on the contrary, it's kinda gay."

I too was impressed with A Squared using a semicolon AND a comma correctly. That is uncommon. Kudos to you.

Unlike the other examples here, Dixie at ATL is actually charted as "Dixie" on the airport diagram.

I believe that comes from the fact that ATL is a hub for Delta, which we know is the 4th phonetic letter of the alphabet. So, to combat confusion with Delta Airplane calls with Delta in the alphabet, they use "Dixie" as the identification of the letter "D"

Furthermore, No Joy is acceptable as transmitting you do not have the Traffic in sight. It is more commonly used by WWII age pilots rather than newer aviators. The calls during the theaters were, "Tally Ho" and "No Joy" for in sight and not in sight respectively.

There is more to the story than I can remember but, basically If the airplane warrior did not have the enemy in sight there was a chance the enemy would fly to american soil and kill people; therefore, there would be No Joy at home.

 

[414Flyer]

Furthermore, No Joy is acceptable as transmitting you do not have the Traffic in sight. It is more commonly used by WWII age pilots rather than newer aviators. The calls during the theaters were, "Tally Ho" and "No Joy" for in sight and not in sight respectively.

There is more to the story than I can remember but, basically If the airplane warrior did not have the enemy in sight there was a chance the enemy would fly to american soil and kill people; therefore, there would be No Joy at home.

Thats the whole point, its NOT WW2 pilots using it, or even military pilots either, since its on VHF when we hear it. There unfortunately are very few WW2 pilots flying, most are on permanent departure now.

"No joy" was a british wartime expression, now used by US military pilots too. I agree with those that it sound irredeemably dorky being used in a civilian context, and its also not correct phraseology.

Maybe those caught using it should be required to wear a helmet and oxygen mask too, especially if they are flying a 172, and made to say this in the pattern at least once.

"I am too close for missiles, and am switching to guns"

Maybe at some point has to tell ATC - "Your Dangerous!", or tells tower after landing "You can be my wingman anytime" just to complete the dorkyness factor.

 

[Way2Broke]

If I am not mistaked the military uses Sugar instead of Sierra.

 

[TonyC]

If I am not mistaked the military uses Sugar instead of Sierra.

You are mistaked.


It is the International Phonetic Alphabet.




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[MJG]

It always been my understanding from the AIM that you could use whatever term you wanted when calling out tail letters as long as the term was "clear and unmistakeable" or something to that effect. Doesn't the Disney Corp. Gulfstream fly around using "One Mickey Mouse" or something stupid like that??

But I will say this. Those of us out there flying 80-100 hours a month get real tired of always using the "correct" phraseology. As someone mentioned earlier it gets real old real quick. You'll go insane being mister "by the book" all the time. After all, variety is the spice of life, no ??

 

[Icelandair]

I wonder if all the pilot/controller glossary nazis get an email any time radio etiquette is mentioned here.

Although having read that earlier thread I noticed the last captain i flew with using those "excess words", but i let it slide, reminding myself that I'm a first year fo and not a check airman.

 

[TonyC]

Are you serious?

But I will say this. Those of us out there flying 80-100 hours a month get real tired of always using the "correct" phraseology. As someone mentioned earlier it gets real old real quick. You'll go insane being mister "by the book" all the time. After all, variety is the spice of life, no ??

I really hope you're not serious.

If following the rules all the time will result in your insanity, I recommend you find another line of work. What's so hard about using the Int'l Phonetic alphabet? Does it make you go crazy to follow your company's rules? Are there any other FARs that get under your skin? Did you inform your employer of this problem when you interviewed for the job?



General George S. Patton once said:

"If you can't get them to salute when they should salute and wear the clothes you tell them to wear, how are you going to get them to die for their country?"

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The phonetic alphabet is a little thing. If you can't do the little things right, how can you be entrusted to do the big things?



You were kidding, right?



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[MJG]

I really hope you're not serious.

If following the rules all the time will result in your insanity, I recommend you find another line of work. What's so hard about using the Int'l Phonetic alphabet? Does it make you go crazy to follow your company's rules? Are there any other FARs that get under your skin? Did you inform your employer of this problem when you interviewed for the job?

The phonetic alphabet is a little thing. If you can't do the little things right, how can you be entrusted to do the big things?

You were kidding, right?

Oh, you're one of "those" kind of pilots. My sincerest apologies.

 

[TonyC]

Oh, your one of "those" kind of pilots. My sincerest apologies.

No problem, Dude.


410 it, DUDE.




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[Fury220]

No problem, Dude.


410 it, DUDE.




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That just about sums it up.

 

[some_dude]

There was some dork running around the west coast a while back (or still?) with a sierra sierra tail number. He used to refer to himself as "Super Sport." To add insult to injury, he used to use "The Super Sport."

As in, "The Super Sport's leaving 410." Arrrrgh!

 

[Tram]

does anyone know if tallyho is correct or not? I flew with a "P3" guy who heard a guy say "tally ho" on the radio and threw a fit.. the kept rambling about "it's just tally.. it's JUST tally." I always thought it was tally ho?