It's like AT ALPA is trying to burn their undeserved lottery ticket...

[scoreboardII]

Food for thought that counters some of the crap on here. There is no way SWA can operate the AirTran routes without the AirTran employees. It would be illegal and they would get killed in court if they tried. You simply cannot buy a company and can all the employees at will.

Anyone disagree?

You can if they go on strike or fail to negotiate in good faith.

A CEO has a duty to shareholders, not another employee groups misfits and malcontents.

I don't meant to say this applies to AT.

 

[waveflyer]

You guys can circle jerk each other all you want by making fun of my jacket, but that still doesn't clear up you still being jackholes does it?

So much of a jackboot that we do our own flying... Go outsource your airbuses and stay out of this Billy

 

[waveflyer]

Food for thought that counters some of the crap on here. There is no way SWA can operate the AirTran routes without the AirTran employees. It would be illegal and they would get killed in court if they tried. You simply cannot buy a company and can all the employees at will.

Anyone disagree?

So I guess that means ALPA and AT can do whatever they want-
Thanks for the insight- I never knew a company could get bought and have total leverage

 

[Quimby]

If Lumberg & Fubi are having a conversation in the forest, does anyone care?

 

[400ADude]

Food for thought that counters some of the crap on here. There is no way SWA can operate the AirTran routes without the AirTran employees. It would be illegal and they would get killed in court if they tried. You simply cannot buy a company and can all the employees at will.

Anyone disagree?

Airtran owns routes???

 

[4day]

ALPA 101: Delay until you can't whine any more while trying to get your way. Even if terribly detrimental to your pilot group and to the utter dismay, ire and consternation of your future employer. Increase the exceedingly real chance of fragmentation at all costs. Then point fingers and further diminish the collective perception of the union while also tarnishing the reputation of airline pilots across the country. DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE ACT IN A PROFESSIONAL MANNER OR LET INTEGRITY AND GOOD CHARACTER CLOUD YOUR JUDGMENT. Always suppress thoughts of being some of the luckiest clowns on the planet and continue to tell yourself "You deserve it".

The AirTran ALPA MEC has decided to delay (yet again...) their review of the Agreement in Principle that was AGREED to weeks ago. They have apparently delayed their little get together INDEFINITELY. No vote on the AIP/LOA is scheduled at this time. These guys are about as useful as a football bat...

Hey tough guy. Make sure the next time you see a Airtran guy you say " How lucky they are and that they won the lottery". If it where me you would be using denture cream for the rest of your pathetic single life...

 

[Max Powers]

Hey tough guy. Make sure the next time you see a Airtran guy you say " How lucky they are and that they won the lottery". If it where me you would be using denture cream for the rest of your pathetic single life...

You just changed my vote to a big NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

 

[kwick]

No jury, if this thing ends up in massive litigation, will rule against the side that is
asking for a fair arbitration.

Strait DOH, might be doable, with seat and base protection.

Arbitration, will most likely be closer to relative seniority.

It just doesn't seem reasonable to penalize the guys who made the choice,
and took the risk, to fly for a smaller, but faster growing airline.

 

[Secret Squirrel]

It appears the chances of the Airtran crewmembers having a say in their future is diminishing by the day.

I honestly don't understand. Don't you guys WANT a say?

Gup

You are starting to sound like a used car salesman. Its a great deal, the deal is only available for another 5 minutes. Believe me, people are not looking at this because of the ISL. And if the protections are not ironclad this thing has no shot.

Let them get the language they agreed to in the AIP. If not it goes to arbitration.

 

[texman]

No jury, if this thing ends up in massive litigation, will rule against the side that is
asking for a fair arbitration.

Strait DOH, might be doable, with seat and base protection.

Arbitration, will most likely be closer to relative seniority.

It just doesn't seem reasonable to penalize the guys who made the choice,
and took the risk, to fly for a smaller, but faster growing airline.

Nor should a SWA FO be penalized either. Two way street brother. Of course we have been over this before.

 

[maru657]

Yep, just an outsiders viewpoint but without some degree of perceived fairness, this will probably go to arbitration. I suspect that GK already knows that and expects it. That business model of quick upgrades and stock options has apparently outlived it's usefulness and that term "career expectations", is based on an economy that no longer exists.

 

[4day]

You just changed my vote to a big NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

Why because I don't ever want to be told that " I won the lottery". SW bought AT to make money. I fly that damn things and have no control over any of it. I am very happy to have a job but to be belittle by some guy who thinks he is better for not being at AT. I draw the line. I would never disrespect a SW guy for where they came from, but if I am disrespected for the situation outside of my control then I will defend myself (not physically of course). I am glad we agree on something such as the "NOOOOOOOO" Vote as you put it. Not to smart if your vote is predicated on FI emotion and cage rattling. My vote will be based on risk mgt and my family.

 

[Sacha]

No jury, if this thing ends up in massive litigation, will rule against the side that is
asking for a fair arbitration.

Strait DOH, might be doable, with seat and base protection.

Arbitration, will most likely be closer to relative seniority.

It just doesn't seem reasonable to penalize the guys who made the choice,
and took the risk, to fly for a smaller, but faster growing airline.

"Choice"? You mean there are guys at Air Tran that chose to leave Delta,United,American or Southwest et al. in order to settle into their final career choice? Really? And they did this and expected great things with taking a little "risk"? Please.

Several years back I had one of the Air Tran Alpa guys on my jumpseat. He rode up front as the flight was full. He seemed like a great guy but was clearly at his wits end with trying to deal with Air Tran management during contract negotiations. I knew exactly how he felt because I had worked under many of the same cretins at the original Eastern after Lorenzo showed up. Correct me if Im wrong,but didn't the Air Tran guys eventually vote something like 98% to strike? To go and work for an airline like that and not know what you were getting into means that you regarded it as a stepping stone or you were clueless when you interviewed or you were Valuejet and no one else would have you. I say 90% viewed it as an improvement but not the endgame. I know. I have been there.

Having said that, I believe that no pilot should be taken advantage of based on where they were or what they were trying to achieve career wise when the music stops. The Valuejet guys well.... There are not many of them so as far as I am concerned they are fringe and there is nothing I can do about them.
The rest of us need to work this out. As I write this the Dow is down over 400 points .....again. There are tough times ahead for all of us. Let's not f,@$k up one of the few decent,profitable companies left in America.

Ignore Fubar....he is our resident "GOMER"

 

[jonjuan]

No jury, if this thing ends up in massive litigation, will rule against the side that is
asking for a fair arbitration.

Strait DOH, might be doable, with seat and base protection.

Arbitration, will most likely be closer to relative seniority.

It just doesn't seem reasonable to penalize the guys who made the choice,
and took the risk, to fly for a smaller, but faster growing airline.

Yep-identical situation those who applied at swa in the 80s/90s versus the legacies.

 

[jonjuan]

You are starting to sound like a used car salesman. Its a great deal, the deal is only available for another 5 minutes. Believe me, people are not looking at this because of the ISL. And if the protections are not ironclad this thing has no shot.

Let them get the language they agreed to in the AIP. If not it goes to arbitration.

LOL-the brady bunch episode where Greg gets hoodwinked into buying a car from his friend who claimed that he had someone coming in 10 mins to buy it.