IS SWAPA the "New" USAPA???? Arrogance abound!

[The Prussian]

Sorry to intrude, but more details for you Piker:

We just heard from SWAPA pres. The reason FAPA couldn't make it for the 1700 call was because he was busy meeting with creditors. Their (F9)team said no go till 1930 without the boss. And deadline at 2400. Doesn't seem like he/FAPA even wanted the deal, or were they just calling Gary Kelly's bluff or did FAPA guy get sold by creditors he just met with that Republic deal was better? Who knows, but what is the job of a union president - to meet with corporate creditors at a crucial time for his membership, or to look out for his constituents at a crucial time? I bet many F9 guys feel let down. But just ASSkin Piker, what do you think the priority of a union president should be? Management, shareholders, creditors or membership?

Lot's of "teaching moments" going on around here lately...all the way up to the President...

 

[redflyer65]

General your hilarious. Furlough protection for the junior guys. I like it. You should run for President.

Gary saw an opportunity to get F9 at an attractive price no doubt, but he refused to do it if the labor agreement for the Southwest Pilots wasn't good enough, and it wasn't. Not even close. He could have forced anything he wanted upon us. Would Dick Anderson do that for your most junior guys?

I have friends at Delta. I hope you don't furlough. But if they do, then we'll revisit your idiotic RJ scope relief to save furlough BS. Nice try, maybe you guys will learn the RJ Scope Management Scheme after the 36th time!

 

[Benjamin Dover]

General your hilarious. Furlough protection for the junior guys. I like it. You should run for President.

Gary saw an opportunity to get F9 at an attractive price no doubt, but he refused to do it if the labor agreement for the Southwest Pilots wasn't good enough, and it wasn't. Not even close. He could have forced anything he wanted upon us. Would Dick Anderson do that for your most junior guys?

I have friends at Delta. I hope you don't furlough. But if they do, then we'll revisit your idiotic RJ scope relief to save furlough BS. Nice try, maybe you guys will learn the RJ Scope Management Scheme after the 36th time!

Sorry to grab your quote Red, but easier...

You do know General is on meds right? He forgets all his dribs about greedy NW guys who should have stfu and love the deal at DAL, and Africa is all the rage, and, etc., etc.

Now, at this point GL generally chimes in to say how childish, dumba$$ or whatever his latest qualifier is for our posts slamming him. But he somehow thinks it's "just us guys joshing on FI" for all his other threads he starts, but his skin a little more thin for incoming action.

 

[redflyer65]

You're right Ben. He can't take the honest truth when it comes his way.

I need another beer.

 

[FlyinPiker]

Sorry to intrude, but more details for you Piker:

We just heard from SWAPA pres. The reason FAPA couldn't make it for the 1700 call was because he was busy meeting with creditors. Their (F9)team said no go till 1930 without the boss. And deadline at 2400. Doesn't seem like he/FAPA even wanted the deal, or were they just calling Gary Kelly's bluff or did FAPA guy get sold by creditors he just met with that Republic deal was better? Who knows, but what is the job of a union president - to meet with corporate creditors at a crucial time for his membership, or to look out for his constituents at a crucial time? I bet many F9 guys feel let down. But just ASSkin Piker, what do you think the priority of a union president should be? Management, shareholders, creditors or membership?

Uhh yeah...that is exactly why I posted

"Sounds like the FAPA president must have known something you don't."

And piker says the answer is Membership. Did I pick right? I'm not defending anything FAPA did here.

I am trying to defend the F9 pilot group that is getting ripped on for making a decision they had no control over.

 

[Metrojet]

Nobody can be as bad as USAPA.....

I knew someone had to bring up USAPA - which has nothing to do with this

 

[General Lee]

General your hilarious. Furlough protection for the junior guys. I like it. You should run for President.

Gary saw an opportunity to get F9 at an attractive price no doubt, but he refused to do it if the labor agreement for the Southwest Pilots wasn't good enough, and it wasn't. Not even close. He could have forced anything he wanted upon us. Would Dick Anderson do that for your most junior guys?

I have friends at Delta. I hope you don't furlough. But if they do, then we'll revisit your idiotic RJ scope relief to save furlough BS. Nice try, maybe you guys will learn the RJ Scope Management Scheme after the 36th time!

I never said it was perfect, but the additional RJs would have seats removed from service, which does make a 76 seater less efficient. They would also have to move pilots down to Compass, which moves the Compass Capts to FOs, and furloughs Compass FOs, which costs a lot of money. It made furloughing a fairly non cost item to one that needs to be looked at, and determine what the cost break even analysis would be. Management had to determine how long a furloughed pilot could be out to break even on the cost. It may not seem like a lot, but it has served it's purpose so far. And, just because you don't understand all of this doesn't mean you should discount what I have to say.

I hope you don't have to go through an airline BK, and see what a lot of us have seen. It is not pretty when your rules or scope are diminished by a BK judge. That being said, it doesn't mean we won't come back and try to regain some of it, and we will. Your higher pay is thanks to us. Now we need you to keep that pay so we can climb that direction again. And honestly, you guys are so cocky that eventually you will probably slip and make a mistake too. You already aren't trusted to fly INTL flying, and you now will have to find new risky markets to put all of those 737s that were going to replace F9 busses. I know it must be tough to look at your own future possible problems and instead try to focus on other peoples problems. What can I say? You guys are invincible, according to yourselves. Good luck with that and your 5 leg days.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Sorry to grab your quote Red, but easier...

You do know General is on meds right? He forgets all his dribs about greedy NW guys who should have stfu and love the deal at DAL, and Africa is all the rage, and, etc., etc.

Now, at this point GL generally chimes in to say how childish, dumba$$ or whatever his latest qualifier is for our posts slamming him. But he somehow thinks it's "just us guys joshing on FI" for all his other threads he starts, but his skin a little more thin for incoming action.

I can take it, I always have. You just can't back any of your statements, and then you resort to slams, which shows your ignorance. The NWA guys actually did really well, and we offered a lot of things to make our combined airline stronger. I certainly didn't say I thought we should staple NWA, just like you Corndogs thought you should do with F9. What a complete slam, and that might be 2nd to the entitlement feelings of the Easties at USAPA. You guys looked soooo full of yourselves. "Wow, I am a Corndog that gets to fly an old 737-300 non EFIS from ABQ to STL(and onto BNA, BHM, TPA, and ORF)----hear me ROAR!!!" Who cares? Is this really childish slamming, or a mirror of the truth? Did I say anything that was a lie? Nope. Your pay is great (thanks to us), and your stews can be fun. The rest looks like a regional---lots of stops, forever. Yeah, you might do a transcon from PHL to LAX, but then add 2 more stops. You can't deny it, you "work like dawgs." (as stated to me by a SWA FO)

But hey, keep it going and don't bring the facts. You can't debate, and it is obvious you need to look for slams to try make any point. Thin skinned? You are talking about your group when people don't aspire to do what you do. It is hillarious to see the responses from you guys.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[regionaltard]

No discussion of union arrogance in the airline industry is complete without mentioning the origins of the RJ fiasco.

 

[Fly-diver]

Your higher pay is thanks to us. Now we need you to keep that pay so we can climb that direction again. And honestly, you guys are so cocky that eventually you will probably slip and make a mistake too. You already aren't trusted to fly INTL flying, and you now will have to find new risky markets to put all of those 737s that were going to replace F9 busses. I know it must be tough to look at your own future possible problems and instead try to focus on other peoples problems. What can I say? You guys are invincible, according to yourselves. Good luck with that and your 5 leg days.


Bye Bye--General Lee

SWA's higher pay is thanks to you? Here's a dose of reality General, SWA pay adjusted for inflation is the same as it was in the 1970's!!! Thanks to you, ALPA has given enormous pay and benefit concessions, which you will never get back. SWA is on top by default, not by design, and no thanks to you.

PS - have you ever seen a SWA schedule? You like to talk about 5 leg days a lot. I know they exist, but I haven't seen one in a couple years. 3 legs is an average day. SWA thrives on productivity. It's not about the number of legs, it's about not wasting the pilot's time and the company's money with non-productive ground time. Pretty simple concept, somehow it's lost on most airlines.