Is Expressjet The Best???

[theo]

Without changes? Do you think that Chitaco or Mesa can give CAL the same product we give them now?

Yes I do think so and all the numbers on performance I see seem to prove that point.

First of all, we are tied to CAL in many ways, so replacing us is not a good option. Second, we may charge a little bit more, but provide better customer service, and are more reliable than any regional right now.

Not good for whom? CAL? Maybe it is a complication to replce you but they certainly will if the costs are more. What is a little bit more. I agree all things being equal or close to equal they would not want to go throught the trouble of changing things around. But as we have seen in other cases the differences were tremendous and you saw what happened.

Sure, CAL can start using Chitaco and Mesa, but that will only take them out of business. CAL still cares about customer service, not just the bottom line, like DAL, UAL and NWA, and you can see how good they are doing.

Well in fact Chautaqua is growing and adding code shares with these carriers even now, as is Mesa, Go-Jet and others. Skywest is growing their relationship with UA and DL as well. The legacy carrier problems are not related to the cost or service provided by their feeder carriers. In most cases they are counting on the feeder carriers to help bail their sorry A S S E S out of the situation they are in.

I wish you luck but you better get your head out of the sand and prepare yourself for what is coming down the road.

 

[CLECA]

But how in 2007 do you intend to keep all those wonderful work rules and pay when CAL comes and says others can do it for less.

Quite easily actually. We have already looked at our projected numbers for the future and realized that the product we offer can't be matched for less. Especially by Chautauqua. They were the primary focus for all of the research. Sure others do it for a lower pay rate to their pilots but thats it. Quite frankly CAL nor NWA UAL or DAL care what their feeders pay their pilots. I know I'm off the point. How you ask is by bringing the many aspects of an airline that are normally outsourced in house. We have our own state of the art training facility with our own sims, our own instructors training materials etc. that most airlines have to pay companies like simuflite or flight safety to do for them. That costs not only money but a premium penny so that they can make a buck while doing it. In addition to these things we print all of our publications, manuals , AOM/CFM, QRH, memos, safety briefing cards every last detail comes straight from our own print shop. If its on paper we printed it. Again the companies that print that stuff do it to make money so again a premium price. Thten there's ACARS, our online Crew tracking and scheduling programs that reduce the labor required to answer every call around the clock. I don't think I've talked to a human to do a trip trade or drop or pick up in 2-3 years. The perk to this is not only are they saving money but it improves our QOL. I could go on but I think you get the point.

Do you think that you will be able to match the costs others will probably provide to CAL without changes?

See above post.

Look at UA and learn your lessons well. There is no difference in your performance and those other guys so how will you do it? It is clear that what CAL pays today is more than they intend to pay in the future.

Check the DOT reports our performance exceeds most of "those other guys". Lesson learned directly form them. What not to do.

How do you see it working out for Express Jet and still maintain all the good stuff you got?

This is another one in which we have done some research and even though everyone puts our scope into a perspective of mainline it works both ways. Our CEO has already said that after our obligation to CAL is up we are going to set at least 1/3 of our sights on other carriers while keeping 1/3 with CAL. So, if your post was supposed to worry us about CAL dropping us I don't think that we're too worried right now until either a) you all learn how to do things right by offer a product at least as good as ours. or b.) do it WAY CHEAPER than us. And right now, contrary to popular belief, not oonly are you not as cheap as us, but more expensive when you consider a few of things other than payrates, as I mentioned above. These things are also required to run an airline for hire as all of us "feeders" are . c) just remember, while you think your setting your sights on our cash cow, we're actually eyeing yours come 2007!

Look out world, 2007 we're coming to a hub near you.

Maybe BluDevAV8R can add to this.

 

[Flechas]

I wish you luck but you better get your head out of the sand and prepare yourself for what is coming down the road.

Sure, they can decide to replaces us, but that would be a bean-counter-desperate move in order to save some money at the moment. But that would be as good as shooting themselves in the foot.

See post above, CLECA said it a lot better.

 

[Paul R. Smith]

I wish you luck but you better get your head out of the sand and prepare yourself for what is coming down the road.

dude, who the hell do you work for?

 

[CLECA]

Chautauqua, I'd expect.

 

[ASH]

CHQ is taking delivery of 26 E-170's this year alone. You can keep CAL.

Sure, CAL can start using Chitaco and Mesa, but that will only take them out of business. CAL still cares about customer service, not just the bottom line, like DAL, UAL and NWA, and you can see how good they are doing
And for all you goobers who keep bashing CHQ. Their is NUMEROUS 50 seat flying bids that we DID NOT compete for. Why? Our CEO's own words: We did not want to contribute to lowering rates in this industry. Subsequently SkyWest, and Mesa got the flying. We did not bid on any of it.

Nor are we eyeing CAL, we have no beef with Express, don't make one

 

[Flechas]

Our CEO's own words: We did not want to contribute to lowering rates in this industry.

And that's why you guys have industry leading pay for 170 seaters right?

 

[sweatro]

ASH,

As I just said on the other thread - you are a tool. If you believe all your CEO says I have a bridge to sell you and I will mix up the next batch of koolaid you gulp down with a smile.

 

[StarChecker]

And that's why you guys have industry leading pay for 170 seaters right?

Complain about it when you work here. Otherwise...shut it. We really could give a rat's ass....

 

[Flechas]

Complain about it when you work here. Otherwise...shut it. We really could give a rat's ass....

Who invited you to the conversation? Go back to your 170.

Besides, I don't need to complain about it, I work in a much better company.

 

[BigHangar]

Okay, I wish I didn't have this history, but it's a fact. I've worked for three regionals now...it's a long story, that includes my own choices. ASA, SkyWest, and ExpressJet. With that sorry but unique perspective, I can tell you that XJT is hands down the best operation, by a long shot. It's obviously because we were hooked to the CAL umbilical cord, and still are, so it runs just like a major airline. The pilots at all three are excellent people, but the management at XJT is also the best because it truly runs an operation that still respect the pilots. Their goal is to be the best, not trample the little people.

At ASA I felt like management thought we were all worthless. At SkyWest I felt like management, albeit good at running a value airline could just laugh in our faces because we had no recourse for rules except what management said. Everyone over there from schedulers to whomever can just say, "that's the way it is and your gonna like it". I hated that. Plus everything has to be submitted via some archaic method. No bashing on anyone, just telling you how I see it. There is a reason many pilots at XJT are lifers, and it sure isn't the pay. Figure it out.

Sorry, I don't mean to rain on your parade too much. But how in 2007 do you intend to keep all those wonderful work rules and pay when CAL comes and says
others can do it for less. Do you think that you will be able to match the costs others will probably provide to CAL without changes? Look at UA and learn your lessons well. It seems to be only a matter of time till you will face the same issues Air Wisconsin and ACA faced. Air Willy landed on their feet(maybe?),ACA.....well they are trying to survive. There is no difference in your performance and those other guys so how will you do it? It is clear that what CAL pays today is more than they intend to pay in the future. How do you see it working out for Express Jet and still maintain all the good stuff you got?

With that said, I can honestly say I don't think any airline is going to come in to XJT territory and take away it's lifeline. Think about it. XJT has a huge fleet, and if you know economics, this is an absolute that is very difficult to undercut financially. Even when pilots have poor contracts, or none at all, it doesn't mean that there isn't room for XJT to lower the cost to CAL even more. Mark my words, nobody is going to take flying from XJT in 2007. Will CAL add some additional flying in other places using other regionals? I think it could and probably will happen, but CAL will not give up the huge quality and economic advantages XJT gives with it's fleet utilization of 274 ERJs.

 

[CLECA]

CHQ is taking delivery of 26 E-170's this year alone. You can keep CAL.


And for all you goobers who keep bashing CHQ.

we have no beef with Express, don't make one

I don't thinnk anything in my post was bashing CHQ. I only even mentioned them once. Let alone making a beef. All I said was that XJT felt CAL might have been looking at them so when we did our research we did it with them specifically in mind. If anything it was a compliment. You need to chill dude.

Who invited you to the conversation? Go back to your 170.

Besides, I don't need to complain about it, I work in a much better company.

Dude show some respect. Never kick a man when he's down.

 

[StarChecker]

Dude show some respect. Never kick a man when he's down.

Living in base with 19 days off as an FO. A line holding CA after one month on reserve....ya....I'm down.....

 

[Capt.PoopyPants]

Who invited you to the conversation? Go back to your 170.

Besides, I don't need to complain about it, I work in a much better company.

You invited it when you attemted to put CHQ in the same boat as Mesa. Just like you feel it's necessary to defend express jet, plenty of guys are willing to defend the CHQ. Your an ignoramous who takes shots at a company based on the propaganda you read on Flightinfo.

 

[Flechas]

You invited it when you attemted to put CHQ in the same boat as Mesa. Just like you feel it's necessary to defend express jet, plenty of guys are willing to defend the CHQ. Your an ignoramous who takes shots at a company based on the propaganda you read on Flightinfo.

Maybe I did invite him then, but they are pretty much in the same boat as Mesa, they underbid to get their contracts, and their pay is down there for the 170's.

BTW, it's you're, not your.

 

[BaronDrvr]

Maybe I did invited him then, but they are pretty much in the same boat as Mesa, they underbid to get their contracts, and their pay is down there for the 170's.

BTW, it's you're, not your.

BTW, it's "Maybe I did invite him then....., not invited him then.....

 

[Flechas]

Hahaha that's what I get for being a smart ass, now I'll have to try to get my foot out of my mouth!!

 

[Capt.PoopyPants]

Maybe I did invited him then, but they are pretty much in the same boat as Mesa, they underbid to get their contracts, and their pay is down there for the 170's.

BTW, it's you're, not your.

And how do you know this? How do you know it's not because of the product they offer or the type of aircraft they fly? You don't. Just Like it says in your profile, you are addicted to Flightinfo, and that is where you get all of your of your "facts".

I can easily say that your probably right as far as the Delta flying. That was probably a result of lowest bidder. Comair and ASA both have far better pay rates for their pilots than CHQ. It's likely that this did have an effect on CHQ's bid for Delta flying. But,for a guy from Expressjet to bash CHQ is ridiculous, your new contract payrates are comparable to CHQ's rates.

As far as the 170 FO pay, your right. CHQ's worst aspect is the FO pay rates. The Captain payrates could also be improved on the 170. When the contract was signed their were no 170's. The guys at CHQ know this and will address it in the next contract. How are Expressjets 170/700 rates?

As far as my use of your and you're. Try this: you're a message board internet spelling douche. Your company is the same as most regionals, it has some good aspects and some not so good aspects. Thanks for the english lesson.

 

[CUEBOAT]

i dont know about it being the best, it takes 10 years to break 50k a year.

 

[BluDevAv8r]

i dont know about it being the best, it takes 10 years to break 50k a year.

How do you figure?

-Neal

 

[Flechas]

And how do you know this? How do you know it's not because of the product they offer or the type of aircraft they fly? You don't. Just Like it says in your profile, you are addicted to Flightinfo, and that is where you get all of your of your "facts".

I can easily say that your probably right as far as the Delta flying. That was probably a result of lowest bidder. Comair and ASA both have far better pay rates for their pilots than CHQ. It's likely that this did have an effect on CHQ's bid for Delta flying. But,for a guy from Expressjet to bash CHQ is ridiculous, your new contract payrates are comparable to CHQ's rates.

As far as the 170 FO pay, your right. CHQ's worst aspect is the FO pay rates. The Captain payrates could also be improved on the 170. When the contract was signed their were no 170's. The guys at CHQ know this and will address it in the next contract. How are Expressjets 170/700 rates?

As far as my use of your and you're. Try this: you're a message board internet spelling douche. Your company is the same as most regionals, it has some good aspects and some not so good aspects. Thanks for the english lesson.

You just corroborated everything I said about CHQ.
We don't have 70 seater pay, because nobody is willing to pay the right price for that market, that's why you guys are flying them.

 

[CUEBOAT]

How do you figure?

-Neal

this is what i was told when i interviewed, that is how i figured. 5 years to upgrade, then 5 years as captain to make 50k.

 

[BluDevAv8r]

this is what i was told when i interviewed, that is how i figured. 5 years to upgrade, then 5 years as captain to make 50k.

All captains here make significantly more than 50k and there will be some FO's (although rare) who will make that as well.

-Neal

 

[Flechas]

I'll make over 20 this year!!!

 

[BluDevAv8r]

But,for a guy from Expressjet to bash CHQ is ridiculous, your new contract payrates are comparable to CHQ's rates.

It isn't solely about the rates. There are many areas of our agreement that are better than yours. And no, this isn't a bash...it is fact. There are things about your company that are better than ours as well. For example, quicker upgrade (due in part of course...to growth spawned by advantageous labor contracts). But in case you were looking for examples, we also have profit sharing (will generate an additional 6% to 7% for 2005), better trip trading system, far superior 401k match/DC plan, reserve rules, far superior vacation system, etc.

-Neal

 

[Flechas]

And better flight attendants

 

[FlamingFUPA]

And better flight attendants

Now that I can agree with. CHQ has slugs and that is a fact.

 

[Flechas]

I was being sarcastic by the way, nothing to brag about here.

 

[FlamingFUPA]

Could we get that in a contract?

 

[Superpilot92]

QOL is great here. Its all how you make it for youself at any company. To each his own.
CYA