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G200_PILOT said:
You don't think it has anything to do with the fact that the NJA schedulers have to schedule almost 3000 pilots verses the hand-full of pilots that the NJI schedulers have to deal with? How many airplanes do we have and how many airplanes do they have? Numbers have to mean something.
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I've heard that argument and I don't buy it. While I don't know the exact number I would wonder if the ratio of schedulers to pilots is that much different between NJI and NJA.

I'm in the X (one of the bigger fleets). We have 391 pilots. We have our own fleet specific schedulers. How is that so different from NJI?

I've also heard the argument that scheduling would be flooded with calls. ?! Guess what? Every time I call a flight manager with a scheduling question they then call the scheduler. How does that help?

With no disrespect to the flight managers intended, it reminds me of trying to communicate with your wife by relaying everything through your mother-in-law.
 
fischman said:
This doesn't make any sense to me. Would you explain it please?
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Any company that is heavy with equipment such as construction equipment, trucking companies and airlines has a debt service to pay monthly for the cost of owning or leasing equipment. The fractional model is different. There are no payments on capital equipment. The owners or customers pay for the metal that is flown. They also pay CMH or whomever a management fee and operational hourly fee. Labor can leverage any company that has a huge debt service more easily than a "services only company".
Does that make sense? Contact by pm if not.
 
That makes sense, but under the current relations between NetJets (NJA/NJI) and labor I'm not sure why it is necessary?

In 2005 NetJets learned the value of happy employees.
 
Wow I've been gone a long time. Last time I was here there were guys screaming that if NJI became part of a Union they would be quitting. Has that happened yet? Doubtful...;)


But I digress. I see "everyone" a little worried about this integration. But I don't understand the fear factor at all.

NJI Capts are really worried about what? I see nothing but an upside for them....

1) overtime.
2) Undertime
3) Holiday pay
4) extended days pay as worked not per qtr

These two items alone will more than make up for any dues paid.

NJI FOs: They are worried they wont upgrade in the G. Maybe they wont. But based on the VSL I've seen those upgrades weren't coming that fast. On the upside here is what I see for them.

1) Overtime
2) Undertime
3) Holiday pay
4)extended day pay as worked
5) Upgrades in many cases sooner but to smaller planes with pay over $100k as Capts, Maybe not a G but hell it may turn out you enjoy running around in the States for a $100K plus

Also "everyone" gets a clear picture of the future. Now some at NJI can say they didn't see this coming but this issue has been around for at least 9 years now. Now the water will be running completely clear for us all. One big family as it really should be. Aren't we all growing tired of the us and them game?

I just want to say welcome to us all. I offer one suggestion, keep it friendly for if you don't the only person that loses is yourself......
 
Well said! A positive attitude by all will make for a smooth transition and a fun family reunion...:)
 
wolfpackpilot said:
Flying a Gulfstream is no different than flying any other jet. Where we fly them is the point here.

It took TWO of us to make that a safe night of flying, and I was totally exhausted.The point here is...
  • Yes, you too can learn how to fly a Gulfstream all over the world (patience young Jedi).
  • No, NJI pilots are not Gods of the sky.The last thing we need is a GIV/Hawker/Ultra plane on CNN news with a helicopter hovering over the crash sight.
Thats my .02 cents on the flying differences between NJA/I.
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Apparently some of you decided to skim over this part of my posting.... I never said I or any other NJI pilot was better than anyone else. And no, I wasnt born in a Gulfstream... (although my 1st ride I can remember was in a G-I with my father) and yes I have openly stated on these boards my background was flying freight and then working for ACA...Midway... Comair.

So stick that in your hat and smoke it! You may now resume your crying.
 
We aren't going to start that crap again are we? The union involvement with hiring has been discussed ad nauseum on the union message boards.
 
fischman said:
We aren't going to start that crap again are we? The union involvement with hiring has been discussed ad nauseum on the union message boards.
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The question about scabs has never been discussed or justified on the union web site. We are not unique though. Other carriers have had that issue as well. I'll bet any union would prefer to have more input into hiring.
 
Buckeye said:
How many guys from NJI have crossed a Picket Line, I know of a couple. Does this worry them?
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I was wondering that also. I have never been in a union or worked for a 121 air carrier so I have no idea. Those Scabs undermined the current employees just to fly bigger airplanes for less money. Wait a minute:confused:
 
Sadly RTR, your attempt at equating this seniority list integration with crossing a picket line is way off base and a fairly lame jab. Whatever makes you feel better though.
 
Like I said, if it makes you feel better then that's great. Good on ya for such a witty joke.
 
People are all upset about this whole thing. If it was me I would have a complete flush bid once intregration was complete, because as we all know it's all about pay and QOL. So flying the G isn't all that. Actually I am gonna just instigate this whole thing because I love watching people blow up on here and throw fits. Everyone will be just fine, G guys will continue to fly G jets and he rest of us will fill in as our senority fits.
 
RTRHD said:
I'M SORRY
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I thought it was funny... But,

You lost all your balls when you lost all that weight, Im ashamed of you. Get some tough skin and quit being a flip flopin spinless hack.

Welcome to the union... ever see 20 goats in a pasture with one little mole hill? Thats union politics for you, get used to it.
 
Hey G200, Read Cast of Thousands post#111. Notice the date, (Nov 21, 2010). Why do you think that RTS is going to let anything happen between the two groups this NOV????? ( nothing more than an announcement is my guess) This is going to give ALL those G F.O's time to upgrade don't you think???? Nothing is going to happen SOON, is my guess. And BTW There are not as many F O's as you think!!! Looking forward to meeting you when you come over and see what you think after about 1 month on the line with NJI. :beer:
 
Dinger,

The ball will start rolling THIS November and will be complete long before November 2010. Like Bruce Hornsby said: That's just the way it is.
 
Gut, don't you think this will drag out for a while? RTS is just going to say OK to merge, BUT there IS a lot more to it. There are a FEW questions out there that need to be answered, as far as the NJI pilot group goes. Such as what's going to happen to the junior guy's. Isn't there going to be a vote of some kind from the NJI guy's ONLY. They MAY not want to join the NJA union.:rolleyes: Maybe V O T could answer this question......... Hey VOT can you help??????
 
Dinger,

There will not be a vote by NJI pilots on this issue. It is beyond the control of the pilot group, and for that matter, the management of NJI. Ironically, the NJA pilots are about to conduct an election of officers for the newly installed NJASAP union and NJI pilots will not be voting in that election either.

There is a pending change, soon to be announced, in the flight operations command structure in CMH. I expect the outcome of the NJI integration question will be fairly obvious afterward.

jenex, July 2005 pilots are upgrading this week which means there aren't that many hired prior to the November 05 contract left to upgrade. They will likely make it under the wire. Pilots hired after the contract are probably SOL in my opinion.
 
fischman said:
FWIW, not all the NJA guys are going to be jumping to the Gulfstream. I have a 2 hour ass, which restricts me to the XL/XLS or smaller.
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Exactly correct. Myself and many others could have jumped to the G's on the first and all subsequent bids. Why haven't I you ask? First of all...You guys cross way too many time zones for my liking. And you do so, for less money than I make flying the DA2000 mostly domestic. (plus the falcon is a better ride.) They'd have to seriously sweeten the pot to make that worth it.
 
Dirty Dingus said:
Gut, don't you think this will drag out for a while? RTS is just going to say OK to merge, BUT there IS a lot more to it. There are a FEW questions out there that need to be answered, as far as the NJI pilot group goes. Such as what's going to happen to the junior guy's. Isn't there going to be a vote of some kind from the NJI guy's ONLY. They MAY not want to join the NJA union.:rolleyes: Maybe V O T could answer this question......... Hey VOT can you help??????[/quote]

Just a wild guess, but I think you are off by one letter regarding the individual you are summoning! Perhaps you mean C O T as in Cast of Thousands?
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TK your right, it is COT. He seems to have his act together.. SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD MAN.

Cush, I'm NOT REAL sure you make more money than the senior G-5 guys. I happen to know a few and they're VERY happy with the pay. They can't wait for the union, I hear;). Don't make that wager just yet on the pay stub.
:beer:Also do you really think a Falcon is a better ride than a G-550? My guess you have never been in a G-550. You should give it a try, I think when you see what the quality of life at NJI is, you may rethink your position. Come on in the water is fine!!!!
 

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