Integrating AAI into SWA

[S3sundowner]

Ty, I'm sorry but I just can't beat that. I'm outta here for good. I've got better things to do. Good luck with the acquisition. I'm sure you'll be rewarded for what you bring to the table.

 

[Ty Webb]

Your panties do have a lot of time on them......don't they??

Come out Ty!

They're "man-ties". Don't worry, you'll get to see them when we do the raft training, Uppercrud.

 

[Ty Webb]

What are the minimums these days???? Is speaking English at a third grade level a requirement??

Is it just me, or does anyone else hear the voice of "Stewie" when they read Uppercrud's posts? :laugh:

 

[ASADFW7]

Hey Ty, 8000 hours, uhm, better keep your comments in close, we have guys at SWA with more time in the 737 than you do total, there is always someone who will rub your nose in it. I myself have over 15K hours of flight time, think you can teach me something when you come over to SWA. I may have misinterpreted the context of your posts but bullying pilots with less time is a little beneath us here at SWA, better get it out of your system before you change uniforms.

 

[The Prussian]

I think you left off 138 planes, profitable routes (700+ daily departures to 74 cities) a decade of profitability, international Ops, slots, 30 gates at the busiest airport, and some other inconvenient little facts that don't support your argument, ostrich-man.
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You remind me of a used car salesman that sold me a peice of junk several years ago...

 

[Lear70]

Moderator hat on:

How many times do we have to tell people that they cannot discuss scabs on this forum? It's a legal liability, and simply isn't allowed.

The next person to do it gets thrown in the cooler for 30 days. If it's a repeat infraction, I'm going to consider permanently banning you. Repeat offenders have had plenty of opportunities to review the rules.

/mod

 

[BlueBlood]

Ty said:

Oh, wait, you don't mean our minimum requirements to apply.

That's a funny comment coming from someone at AirTran. Have you been saving for your type rating?

 

[T3700]

This thread has got to be close to setting a record for juvenile "my dad can beat your dad" comments. The SLI is going to be what it's going to be. If you want to spend the rest of your life upset about whether someone else got a better deal than you did, why did you become an airline pilot in the first place?

 

[GuppyWN]

Hey Ty, 8000 hours, uhm, better keep your comments in close, we have guys at SWA with more time in the 737 than you do total,

Hey Ty, I'm Gup. Nice to meet you. I'm gonna go call my stock broker.

Gup

 

[Ty Webb]

Hey Ty, 8000 hours, uhm, better keep your comments in close, we have guys at SWA with more time in the 737 than you do total, there is always someone who will rub your nose in it.

I'm surprised to have to explain this to any of you, but here goes:

The guy who supposedly works for Jet Blue and was throwing rocks at AirTran pilots (ie your future coworkers) joined this board in the past few weeks (he had 19 posts to his name, for crying out loud). His profile, which, again, is a few weeks old, shows 2200TT. That's basically zero experience in this industry.

My point was this guy was a newbie to the industry and his opinions carry little weight, at least to me. I don't give TT much attention; I haven't bothered to update my own time on FI in years (I've been at AirTran for over 9 years, you do the math). If you want to read something else into it, knock yourselves out, Ty has a thick and hairy hide :laugh:.

I myself have over 15K hours of flight time, think you can teach me something when you come over to SWA. I may have misinterpreted the context of your posts but bullying pilots with less time is a little beneath us here at SWA, better get it out of your system before you change uniforms.

Uh, yeah, I think you misinterpreted my post. See above.

 

[Ty Webb]

Hey Ty, I'm Gup. Nice to meet you. I'm gonna go call my stock broker.

Gup

"I want trading reopened right now. Get those brokers back in here! Turn those machines back on!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gekaEzqj5g

 

[ivauir]

Both Pilot groups have been asked to not debate expectations, and I'm going to respect that. Time will tell whose expectations were realistic.

Ty,

This excuse would carry more weight if you hadn't already made so many posts regarding the SLI.

The fact is you have enjoyed baiting current SWA pilots with your predictions and prognostications. Certainly anyone who thinks that AAI will see a 20 year increase in equivalent DOH will be disappointed.

IF you are trying to turn over a new leaf and be reasonable, I can certainly respect that, but it is going to take more than one post for you to be believable.

 

[Uppercrust]

If you want to read something else into it, knock yourselves out, Ty has a thick and hairy hide :laugh:.
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That's what I heard.:laugh::laugh:

 

[roughneck]

Originally Posted by Ty Webb
Both Pilot groups have been asked to not debate expectations, and I'm going to respect that. Time will tell whose expectations were realistic.

Go back and reread your posts if you haven't already figured it out. Your expectations are unrealistic.

 

[Ty Webb]

Go back and reread your posts if you haven't already figured it out. Your expectations are unrealistic.

Whatever, Chief. It's not up to you or me. What's the point of arguing about it. We'll know how it turns out soon enough.

 

[PapaWoody]

Whatever, Chief. It's not up to you or me. What's the point of arguing about it. We'll know how it turns out soon enough. In the end, I believe you will be more disappointed than I, as your expectations are not in accordance with precedents from the past decade. (blue quote included as it was the original quote that I was rebutting)

The thing about precedents is that they are used to help facilitate rulings in like situations. Since there has not been a situation like this one in the past decade, your reliance on "precedent" to shape your expectations is a little presumptive. The arbitrators (if it gets that far, not good for either side, btw) will definitely reference USA/AWA and DAL/NWA, but the numerous glaring differences in those situations with respect to this one will stand out and influence their decision, none of which will be good for your pipe dream of "relative seniority". But please keep pressing for that type of seniority gain, because "unreasonable positions" is a precedent that was set by the USAir guys, and I'm sure the arbitrators will look upon your unreasonable expectations just as dis-favorably. See ya on the other side.

Fraternally,
PapaWoody

 

[Ty Webb]

PW, I deleted the reference to precedent, but since you brought it up . . . the "unreasonable position" that USAirways' Pilots took was that they wanted DOH instead of relative seniority. That doesn't exactly help your argument.

 

[PapaWoody]

PW, I deleted the reference to precedent, but since you brought it up . . . the "unreasonable position" that USAirways' Pilots took was that they wanted DOH instead of relative seniority. That doesn't exactly help your argument.

As the acquired carrier, with USAir's financial position in shambles, half their seniority list on furlough, and liquidation imminent, DoH that would have put pilots from the acquiring carrier without these problems on the street was the definition of "unreasonable" in that situation. Just like relative seniority with unprecedented gains in career expectations and QoL for AAI would be the definition of "unreasonable" in this situation. Please keep your head in the sand regarding all the differences in this case, it only helps ours.

Fraternally,
PW

 

[dicko]

As the acquired carrier, with their financial position in shambles, half their seniority list on furlough, and liquidation imminent, DoH that would have put pilots from the acquiring carrier without these problems on the street was the definition of "unreasonable" in that situation. Just like relative seniority with unprecedented gains in career expectations and QoL for AAI would be the definition of "unreasonable" in this situation. Please keep your head in the sand regarding all the differences in this case, it only helps ours.

Fraternally,
PW

No Papa. That's your opinion of what's "unreasonable" in this situation. It will only matter if you find yourself voting on the offer your MC presents to you and your colleagues.

Think about what sort of deal the AirTran MC would agree to and then think about whether or not you would think it's fair. Can you imagine a scenario where you and the AirTran MC would agree ? They don't work for you. They work for us.

Your MC does not want arbitration. They also know that they need to bring something to SWAPA members that they will agree to. That's where your opinion of unreasonable makes things interesting.

Here's the rub; Your opinion of what is reasonable may cause more than 50% to vote against your MC's recommendation. That may force Arbitration. Then we will all find out what three arbitrators think is fair or unreasonable.

 

[Cometman]

No Papa. That's your opinion of what's "unreasonable" in this situation. It will only matter if you find yourself voting on the offer your MC presents to you and your colleagues.

Think about what sort of deal the AirTran MC would agree to and then think about whether or not you would think it's fair. Can you imagine a scenario where you and the AirTran MC would agree ? They don't work for you. They work for us.

Your MC does not want arbitration. They also know that they need to bring something to SWAPA members that they will agree to. That's where your opinion of unreasonable makes things interesting.

Here's the rub; Your opinion of what is reasonable may cause more than 50% to vote against your MC's recommendation. That may force Arbitration. Then we will all find out what three arbitrators think is fair or unreasonable.

That sounds correct. However, I think the best deal Air Tran will get either way will be DOH with a ratio intergration like 3:1 or 4:1 or 10:1 etc.
Plus a fence for about 1-2 years. That would be fair seeing that you really are not bring anything to the table. You could not expect more than that.