Integrating AAI into SWA

[Angus]

Honest idea. Go to the bottom quietly and lets call it even.

LMAO! You are one of the SWA blowhards that is really going to be pissed off when SLI is complete. I will be here to laugh in your face when the time comes.

Keep on blowing your self-righteous, holier-than-thou, better than others, jackwad B.S. It just makes the SWA Pilots look like arrogant fools.

 

[roughneck]

I put a smiley face. I guess an Angus wouldn't get that. Especially a young bull that wants to run down and get a cow. Us older bulls know that it is better to walk down and get them all.

Rush in to quick and to hard and you won't get a lifetime of joy. It's your choice. Careful that you are looking long term. Your future at SWA isn't a sure deal. Don't look a gift horse in the mouth is all I am saying.

 

[Angus]

! The funny thing is, the ones that probably will be are the ones that just hit the career earnings jackpot. Which is just sad .

PW

Career earnings jackpot?? Will YOU.... or better yet will SWA Management GUARANTEE in writing that same "career earnngs jackpot" to EVERY AAI Pilot that you speak of?? That will mean NO FURLOUGHS and GUARANTEED PAY for the career of each AAI Pilot.

Can that be arranged??

If NOT... then all SWA have to offer is SENIORITY. Nothing more... nothig less.

Get over yourselves. Some of the SWA Pilots on Flightinfo are the village idiots speaking about things that they may feel strongly about... but have NO substance when you talk about the aviation industry.

 

[roughneck]

That will mean NO FURLOUGHS and GUARANTEED PAY for the career of each AAI Pilot.

SWA won't promise you no furlough during your career but 38 years of history is a pretty strong indicator that we look after our people. As far as guaranteed pay goes I would say that the chances of a 60% paycut is far fetched. Swa would have to give about that much of a paycut to us before you lost a dollar over what you would have made stand alone.

Argue your points to an arbitrator if you think they will stand up. I don't care to debate with someone that obviously doesn't understand what they fell into here.

 

[Angus]

SWA won't promise you no furlough during your career but 38 years of history is a pretty strong indicator that we look after our people. As far as guaranteed pay goes I would say that the chances of a 60% paycut is far fetched. Swa would have to give about that much of a paycut to us before you lost a dollar over what you would have made stand alone.

Argue your points to an arbitrator if you think they will stand up. I don't care to debate with someone that obviously doesn't understand what they fell into here.

Because YOU feel you won the lottery doesn't mean that everyone that is in this industry feels the same. AAI Pilots didn't "fall" into anything. AAI Pilots helped BUILD a P.O.S. airline into something big enough that the LARGEST domestic Airline in the U.S. was WILLING to BUY.

You bought AAI... now deal with it. Part of that deal will be to INTEGRATE the Pilots into your little fantasyland. That integration is going to really piss off alot of SWA Pilots. That integration is NOT going to be to simply "go to the bottom quietly" as you have stated.... even with your stupid internet geek smiley face.

Don't like it.... call Gary and tell HIM not me or not AAI Pilots. Call your management or STFU...

Gearup "lottery boy".

 

[cappydd]

Man, you REALLY have that "FI Newbie" smell. Rico, is that you? :laugh:

ATN-ALPA and SWAPA have both asked their Pilots to not make posts advertising their SLI expectations. You're a junior FO, we get it. Take your low self-esteem elsewhere.

Has nothing to do with low self-esteem, life is good for me right now and will continue to be just that after this is all over with. Also wasnt advertising MY SLI expectations. Sorry anyone took it that way. And No, not a junior FO by any means.

 

[waveflyer]

On a more even keeled level- Swa had every reason to furlough at least 200 in 2009 and chose not to bc they value us as people and from a business standpoint know that they have us for 30 years- a year salary now equals a career worth of loyalty- believe me- you want to work for this company and the people in it.

Did your company make that same choice? Could you even imagine them making it?

The aggression on either side is dumb and confusing at the same time--- I hope everyone notices this has gone to 15 pages largely through 15 guys who clearly don't get laid enough needing an outlet- most I've met are cautiously happy and excited about the future

 

[Secret Squirrel]

That is why 100% of Airtran wants to come to SWA and 0% wants it the other way.

If you are going to pretend to not be a SWA pilot, you need to proof read your statements better. You are making more and more mistakes.

 

[roughneck]

Angus,
I'm guessing you weren't one of the 1/3 of your pilot group that should up on a random night to say thank you to Swapa for your lottery ticket. Thats OK. You may not say it outloud, but you will appreciate what you may inherit.

 

[Angus]

Angus,
I'm guessing you weren't one of the 1/3 of your pilot group that should up on a random night to say thank you to Swapa for your lottery ticket. Thats OK. You may not say it outloud, but you will appreciate what you may inherit.

SWAPA Leadership is MUCH more bright than you LotteryBoy. They are smart enough to realize that THEY are NOT providing a "lottery ticket" to AAI Pilots. Only YOU and most likely some other SWA Pilots with lower intellect have and will come to that silly self analysis.

I would say THANK YOU to SWAPA for having more class than YOU and several other SWA Pilots on these forums by actually WELCOMING the AAI Pilots, and MEANING it.

Unlike you and others on Flightinfo who keep insisting or better yet INSINUATING that somehow AAI Pilots are lower class Pilots and non-deserving EXCEPT in your "Winning a lottery ticket" scenario.

Get over yourself Spaz. You are an embarrasment to SWAPA, the SWA Pilots, and to other hard working Pilots in this industry as a whole.

You bring NOTHING to the table except seniority.

Gearup LotteryBoy....

 

[Angus]

United Airlines New Hire Class: Circa 1999

Director of Training: Welcome to United Airlines. You have just accepted employement at the LAST Airline of your career. Almost ALL of you will retire millionaires.....


Southwest Airlines Flightinfo Village Idiots: Circa 2010

SWA Poster: Hey you AAI Pilots should shut up and accept whatever we offer for SLI. You just fell into the last airline of your career. All of you will make more money and retire rich....

 

[ASADFW7]

Angus, You are the champ man, you are really putting us all in our place. Boy howdy dude, I will never think that integrating into an airline with possibility something to add to the employees compensation should ever be argued is a positive again. I think I should now go back to shutting the ******************** up as you said. thank you.

 

[ivauir]

ATN-ALPA and SWAPA have both asked their Pilots to not make posts advertising their SLI expectations.

And yet you do it constantly. Seriously, we're going to have to work together soon ... why not be a dude for once?

 

[carl p]

On a more even keeled level- Swa had every reason to furlough at least 200 in 2009 and chose not to bc they value us as people and from a business standpoint know that they have us for 30 years- a year salary now equals a career worth of loyalty- believe me- you want to work for this company and the people in it.

Did your company make that same choice? Could you even imagine them making it?

The aggression on either side is dumb and confusing at the same time--- I hope everyone notices this has gone to 15 pages largely through 15 guys who clearly don't get laid enough needing an outlet- most I've met are cautiously happy and excited about the future

You represent your company well.

 

[Ty Webb]

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And yet you do it constantly. Seriously, we're going to have to work together soon ... why not be a dude for once?

You keep saying I am talking about my SLI expectations ... How about posting a few examples from the last 30 days or so. I'm talking relative, DOH, etc because I don't see it. I have purposely tried to avoid doing that. It serves no purpose.

Regds,
RE

 

[Bob Dylan]

Trannie pilots should gladly accept and go to the bottom of the SWA list and count their blessings.

SWA pilots should demand a staple, as it would be best for the company going forward.

Anything else will destroy the airline- unless SWA execs come to their senses and walks away from the deal and/or continues to operate as two airlines while slowly closing Guadalupe holdings down.

 

[PapaWoody]

LMAO! You are one of the SWA blowhards that is really going to be pissed off when SLI is complete. I will be here to laugh in your face when the time comes.

Keep on blowing your self-righteous, holier-than-thou, better than others, jackwad B.S. It just makes the SWA Pilots look like arrogant fools.

Wow! I have no response to you. You obviously have had such a mediocre career that when life hands you a winning hand, you immediately lash out with distrust and cynicism. As for SWA pilots looking like arrogant fools, in this particular case all I can tell you is "Pot, meet Kettle." Good luck with the attitude, you're gonna need it.

PW

 

[oriondriver]

Man, Angus you sound like an IDIOT! Even your own brothers and sisters at AAI have to agree.

 

[Angus]

Furloughed and BORED at home are we??

Trannie pilots should gladly accept and go to the bottom of the SWA list and count their blessings.

SWA pilots should demand a staple, as it would be best for the company going forward.

Anything else will destroy the airline- unless SWA execs come to their senses and walks away from the deal and/or continues to operate as two airlines while slowly closing Guadalupe holdings down.

Found out 2 things about the anonymous poster doing bsiness as "Bob Dylan":

1. Furloughed from U.P.S. - spending time on flightinfo trying to compensate for his miserable position.

2. Tried to get on with SWA and FAILED. Ended up furloughed at U.P.S. instead.

I guess we DO know which way the wind blows genius......

 

[Angus]

Can't formulate an actual response??

Man, Angus you sound like an IDIOT! Even your own brothers and sisters at AAI have to agree.

I "sound" like an idiot? Exactly what have I said that sounds like an "idiot"? Oh... you mean the part where I call out "some" of the SWA posters on Flightinfo for constantly posting their drivel sounding as if they are all arrogant "lottery winners" that are being "forced" to share their winnings - versus simply "employees" of the largest most successful domestic airline in the U.S.? Is that the "idiot" you speak of?

Maybe the SWA Pilots on Flightinfo should start behaving like they ARE they highest paid Pilots in the profession; working for the largest most successful airline in the U.S; busting their humps everyday to MAKE SWA what it is; ENJOYING the pay and culture and quality of life that SWA offers them; all the while ACCEPTING the decisions that their SAME successful management is making by purchasing AAI.

OR.... they can post on Flightinfo like spoiled children towards their potential new AAI co-workers; acting as if somehow AAI Pilots "OWE" the SWA Pilots directly for this BUSINESS decision by SWA management; and act like they are somehow "better" Pilots; act like AAI Pilots need to bend down and kiss their feet every 5 minutes just to validate the SWA Pilots online superioriority needs; and continue to attempt to make the AAI Pilots feel "less" than worthy about themselves and their company because they are being bought.

You notice VERY few have bothered to counter the Flightinfo SWA Pilot negative rhetoric.... its NOT because they agree... in fact the AAI Pilots have done MORE with less than most SWA Pilots... its because THEY do recognize and are trying to be professional.

Don't think this is an accurate portrayal?? Then you ARE wearing tintedglasses while surfing Flightinfo... because believe me... many of the SWA Pilots posts are exactly as I have described.

BTW - None of the AAI posters on Flightinfo have said anything towards me or to me.

Is that your response? Well... now you have mine....

Go enjoy the life that you have flying for SWA.... and start showing everyone on Flightinfo that SWA "culture"..... deal??

Start posting like you are professional Pilots in the Airline Business..... working as "employees"... and stop acting like spoiled "lottery winners" for christs sake...

 

[Kharma Police]

Trannie pilots should gladly accept and go to the bottom of the SWA list and count their blessings.

SWA pilots should demand a staple, as it would be best for the company going forward.

Anything else will destroy the airline- unless SWA execs come to their senses and walks away from the deal and/or continues to operate as two airlines while slowly closing Guadalupe holdings down.

Same old same old, skip goes the broken record ....skip....skip....skip....skip....

 

[Richard Gozinya]

I would say THANK YOU to SWAPA for having more class than YOU and several other SWA Pilots on these forums by actually WELCOMING the AAI Pilots, and MEANING it.

We as a pilot group are SWAPA, we came to ATL to welcome YOU! Being greatful is a two way street. WE paid for the evening with our dues, and through our volunteers time. I know of a couple of people who aren't even active in the union who went to ATL on their dime, I was one of them. I hope you enjoyed the evening and hope you have a wonderful, prosperous career as a SW pilot and a member of SWAPA. Just like you think one person's remarks are indicative of the entire pilot group, I'm sure your remarks aren't representative of the entire Tranny's pilot group.

Welcome to Southwest!

 

[Angus]

We as a pilot group are SWAPA, we came to ATL to welcome YOU! Being greatful is a two way street. WE paid for the evening with our dues, and through our volunteers time. I know of a couple of people who aren't even active in the union who went to ATL on their dime, I was one of them. I hope you enjoyed the evening and hope you have a wonderful, prosperous career as a SW pilot and a member of SWAPA. Just like you think one person's remarks are indicative of the entire pilot group, I'm sure your remarks aren't representative of the entire Tranny's pilot group.

Welcome to Southwest!

I speak for myself thank you. My coments are from me to the arrogant posters here.... nobody else.

This comment is for you "Dick":

Rather than "lecture" me, go internet police your own SWA posters on Flightinfo.

Also... when you (SWAPA) send your own time, and your own money to embrace someone (AAI Pilots) and take the time to genuinely welcome them to SWA.... that is something that transcends B.S. an is a great and wonderful thing.

When you then turn around and throw that same said generosity back into ones face as IF they owe you, for whatever reason.... like YOU just did... well... that just makes my point for me.

Thanks Dick.

Now go lecture some of your LUV Pilots on flightinfo....

 

[Richard Gozinya]

I speak for myself thank you. My coments are from me to the arrogant posters here.... nobody else.

This comment is for you "Dick":

Rather than "lecture" me, go internet police your own SWA posters on Flightinfo.

Also... when you (SWAPA) send your own time, and your own money to embrace someone (AAI Pilots) and take the time to genuinely welcome them to SWA.... that is something that transcends B.S. an is a great and wonderful thing.

When you then turn around and throw that same said generosity back into ones face as IF they owe you, for whatever reason.... like YOU just did... well... that just makes my point for me.

Thanks Dick.

Now go lecture some of your LUV Pilots on flightinfo....

Welcome to SWA!

 

[dicko]

No anger here brother!!! Just commenting on how you seem to have inside information on what our NC wants and on how our pilot group is going to vote. I guess that is why this is the notorious FI. Just post what you deem/want to be factual......then it is!! Just ask Ty, he does this very well.

Aaaaa Haaa ... ! So you admit you were hammered when you posted Just kidding.

If the gathering SWAPA put on yesterday is any indication of the future then i think we'll all be just fine. Thank you.

P.S. Can we borrow your union until this is over (minus the SLI discussion of course). It's nice to see a Union President who can string a sentence together.

 

[PapaWoody]

You know, as I read some of the vitriol that is the standard on FI, it occurred to me that with regards to the SWA/AAI integration that maybe I was, inadvertently, guilty of the same. I say inadvertently because even though I've been adamant about pointing out things that I think should be considered when merging the two pilot groups, i.e. the particulars of this situation, that those statements may be misconstrued as being derogatory towards AAI pilots. That was never my intent, but I sincerely apologize just the same if that is how anyone took it.

Let me further say, as a commuter that regularly flies with them, that every AirTran crew that I have ever had the pleasure of interacting with has seemed extremely personable and professional. Sitting up front, I have been impressed with their airmanship, and sitting in back, I have been equally impressed with their hospitality. I remember thinking that they would fit right into our culture long before this acquisition became a possibility. And nothing has or will change(d) my mind about that.

In the end, even though we have different hopes and expectations on how the SLI should go, when it is said and done (regardless of its outcome), I look forward to welcoming all you AAI guys into the Southwest family and moving on with doing what we do best, providing excellent customer service in the form of air travel.

Sincerely,
PapaWoody

 

[waveflyer]

Some on both sides are just a bit too high strung

 

[Ty Webb]

Very well put, Papa Woody. The same goes for all the SWA crew I have met, as well, on the jumpseat, at "C's" and various other eating and drinking emporiums.

Regards,

TW

 

[Lear70]

Watch the language, kids. Acronyms for curse words aren't allowed any more than the curse words themselves, not to mention we don't need the hostility.

Thanks,

/mod

 

[Lear70]

You know, as I read some of the vitriol that is the standard on FI, it occurred to me that with regards to the SWA/AAI integration that maybe I was, inadvertently, guilty of the same. I say inadvertently because even though I've been adamant about pointing out things that I think should be considered when merging the two pilot groups, i.e. the particulars of this situation, that those statements may be misconstrued as being derogatory towards AAI pilots. That was never my intent, but I sincerely apologize just the same if that is how anyone took it.

Let me further say, as a commuter that regularly flies with them, that every AirTran crew that I have ever had the pleasure of interacting with has seemed extremely personable and professional. Sitting up front, I have been impressed with their airmanship, and sitting in back, I have been equally impressed with their hospitality. I remember thinking that they would fit right into our culture long before this acquisition became a possibility. And nothing has or will change(d) my mind about that.

In the end, even though we have different hopes and expectations on how the SLI should go, when it is said and done (regardless of its outcome), I look forward to welcoming all you AAI guys into the Southwest family and moving on with doing what we do best, providing excellent customer service in the form of air travel.

Sincerely,
PapaWoody

Awesome post, my friend. I can say the same thing, for Southwest, my commute to and from Florida and the years I spent going back and forth to Detroit at my previous carrier on SWA, the crews were always awesome, and the rides much appreciated. I agree, the culture is more of a fit than most people give it credit for...

Tensions are going to run high and low during all this, but it's nice to know that, in the end, we'll all be able to come together when it's all said and done to kick industry butt and take names for decades to come. :beer: