Integrating AAI into SWA

[scoreboardII]

Never underestimate the power of pizza and beer.

 

[RIDETHELIGHTING]

Sidebar.....Ridethelightning....awesome avatar! My favorite album. \m/

No doubt the best album they put out. Rock on!!!

 

[Secret Squirrel]

Uhhhh, um yeah. Growth in Atlanta? Where can more aircraft possibly land and takeoff? Delta has already tried annexing taxiway mike for landing. Perhaps a monstrous pizza party to get exclusive use of runway 28?

There are actually quite a few down times during the day between Delta pushes.

 

[Kharma Police]

Uhhhh, um yeah. Growth in Atlanta? Where can more aircraft possibly land and takeoff? Delta has already tried annexing taxiway mike for landing. Perhaps a monstrous pizza party to get exclusive use of runway 28?

Do you fly out of ATL on a regular basis? Ever since the controllers got their contract done and with the addition of 28, Atlanta runs pretty smooth even on marginal days.

 

[Richard Gozinya]

Do you fly out of ATL on a regular basis? Ever since the controllers got their contract done and with the addition of 28, Atlanta runs pretty smooth even on marginal days.

Don't forget Delta depeaking.............or operation clockwork!

 

[carl p]

I have more to lose than most of you- being close to the bottom, and expect a favorable SLI bc we're much stronger and bought them-
But, to say that AT wasn't viable is really dumb- theyrethe one carrier that holds their own on costs with us- and give us ATL giftwrapped which helps our entire network immensely-
That kind of rhetoric is what convinced the East to go the route they did - they got convinced that it was the west who wasn't viable- and it was all made up fantasy- yet they made big decisions that hurt the whole industry based on that- argue your point- and I do- it ought to be slanted toward SWA bc the jobs aren't equal- but to not recognize how eliminating this competitor and joining forces w/ AT is very valuable to us is ridiculous.
Welcome aboard- and keep that 10%er crap within the 10%- it's really not anywhere else from what I see

You sir, are a wise man! Each side needs to have a healthy respect for what the other brings to the dance. This has nothing to do with any SLI crap, and admitting that AAI was your toughest competitor who has strengths in areas you may be weak is the truth. It does not diminish SWA in any way to admit that, in fact it proves how savvy your management team is. I know the AT pilots all recognize how great SWA is, however it seems as though some SWA pilots continue dismiss AT as irrelevant. We are more similar than many would like to believe. Both airlines started from nothing and faced fierce competition from established legacies and learned to fight for every inch of ground. Everyone knows SWA is the "big fish", just understand the value that the scrappy up-n-comer brings to the deal. Again, this post has nothing to do with SLI posturing or any other BS.

 

[S3sundowner]

Trying to find threads on sli; can someone help me out?

 

[redflyer65]

Just saw the SW inhouse video where Torti, Director of Training says they could run 700 newhires next year without much trouble.

Interesting times ahead for sure..

 

[Lear70]

Just saw the SW inhouse video where Torti, Director of Training says they could run 700 newhires next year without much trouble.

Interesting times ahead for sure..

Yes, growth will be great. Thanks for the positive vibes...

 

[Lear70]

Moderator hat on:

Watch the profanity, please.

/mod

 

[Lear70]

Sorry guys, had to delete the abbreviated profanity and that included the quoted posts (we don't have any way to edit just PARTS of a post, wish we did, would be a lot easier to moderate being able to just delete the profanity and leave everything else of someone's post, but the webmaster is the only one with that authority).

Please feel free to repost your comments WITHOUT quoting profanity. When you quote someone's profanity, your post is going to get deleted along with theirs.

Thanks,

/mod

 

[burg]

well then find a moderator that was some fine ass editing skillzz and stop making excuses for yourself.

And secondly,

That moderator hat makes your ass look big..

vizzel

 

[ivauir]

Sorry guys, had to delete the abbreviated profanity and that included the quoted posts (we don't have any way to edit just PARTS of a post, wish we did, would be a lot easier to moderate being able to just delete the profanity and leave everything else of someone's post, but the webmaster is the only one with that authority).

Please feel free to repost your comments WITHOUT quoting profanity. When you quote someone's profanity, your post is going to get deleted along with theirs.

Thanks,

/mod

Lear,

thanks for doing that.

Any idea what Kwick's problem is? Do you know if he is really an AirTran pilot?

I'm having trouble understanding why a post about the training center being able o handle 700 a year would be a bad thing. That would excellent and amazing for ALL involved!

Whatever kwick's deal is .... Happy Thanksgiving to all!

Ivauir!

 

[slaquer5]

Sorry guys, had to delete the abbreviated profanity and that included the quoted posts (we don't have any way to edit just PARTS of a post, wish we did, would be a lot easier to moderate being able to just delete the profanity and leave everything else of someone's post, but the webmaster is the only one with that authority).

Please feel free to repost your comments WITHOUT quoting profanity. When you quote someone's profanity, your post is going to get deleted along with theirs.

Thanks,

/mod

Seems my post get deleted alot when I quote someone. Why are they not deleted before I quote them?

 

[WildcatFan]

Believe me it will get ugly if the SLI leads to no seniority bump for the junior SWA guys. Real ugly. Our junior guys are on edge, across employee groups. I am very confident Gary will get involved if the SLI talks break down when the AT guys want seniority along with gains in every other aspect of their careers. He will not allow a USAir environment here, he makes a lot of money off the goodwill of the pilot group.

Ironically, my concern is that SWAPA will give away too much in the negotiations but seniority will still be slanted to SWA and that the AirTran NC will be smart enough not to go to arbitration and/or get Gary involved. I think this scenario will go in AT's favor more than arbitration personally since there isnt one thing in AT's column when you compare the career expectations. Especially since our senior FOs make more money than most all of ATs Captains and some were hired here before some AT Captains. Because of the above I think the SLI will be faster than anyone anticipates, which will bring AT under the SWAPA contract faster, AT will capture more money and benefits sooner, and GK gets to execute his master plan ASAP.

Let's face it, if the seat was the major concern then why didnt everyone stay at their regional? It's really about money and QOL, and you will get that here at SWA in spades compared to a career at AT. Everyone knows that despite the posturing, including the arbitrator. Unlike recent arbitrations there is a huge disparity in career expectations here.

If I am wrong I would be disappointed with respect to the culture after an arbitrated settlement but would actually breathe a sigh of relief for my own spot on the seniority list if it ended up going to an arbitrator.

I am also very confident that being junior here is way preferable to being senior at AT. I understand that the AT guys don't see it that way...but they will once they live under this contract. AirTran pilots CANT lose in this deal except by giving GK/SWAPA/SWA the finger. Testing GK's understanding of Bond/M, corporate law, and financing would be probably be a mistake. If you smack the proverbial gift horse in the mouth I think that will become clear. It is a tough spot for the AT guys in that respect because it is a little like playing Russian roulette to know how far to push...the good news for you is that as long as you dont pull the trigger one too many times you will WIN. It may be varying degrees of win, but will be a solid win for sure.

Whether this buyout is a good thing for me personally remains to be seen, I think it could be positive, and I am confident in GK's ability to keep SWA in the black.
The challenge for AT will be to keep the big picture in mind as well - I believe you will look back at this as the best thing in your 121 career regardless of the SLI. The sooner we go from sparring with each other to working together to dominate the market the better.