Integrating AAI into SWA

[carl p]

Funny thing about arbitration, you never know how it will turn out. All the bravado aside it's a crap shoot. The arbitrator(s) have not consumed large amounts of LUV juice and have no special feelings about "culture". They also have not been involved with the rise of a little airline in the busiest airport in the world battling Big D for survival. They have no attachment, and no stake in the company affected by their ruling. This is why it would behoove both sides to reach an agreement before arbitration. If an agreement were to pass both groups, it would be hard for one side to feel hosed.

Neither side really knows what the ruling would look like. Do they see things in line with AWA/USAir or DAL/NWA, or do they see this as something different? Do both pilot groups want to bet the future on this? Work together, come up with something fair, and hopefully both sides realize compromise is better than a crap shoot.

 

[GuppyWN]

Good post.

There is enough of a disparity that it will most certainly NOT be NWA/DAL. Let's work it out beforehand so there is no career roulette.

Gup

 

[Ty Webb]

So much for your "don't discuss SLI" pledge.

I understand Gary being VERY nice to outsiders about to be part of our culture. If you make him eat his words it will end poorly for you.

I didn't say anything about SLI. I said Gary Kelly knows what AirTran brings to the table, that's why he offered to buy us.

Some of you guys that get on here and thump your chests about your culture are probably not being the best ambassadors for said culture.

 

[OldManPilot]

All of you do realize this deal will close long before the SLI is finalized. Not to be mean but perhaps the behavior on these board is why the deal was not contingent on pilot approval or integration. You all act like the deal will not close if we do not reach an immediate SLI. WRONG!!!! This deal will close as soon government approval and board/Stockholder approval. Please ask GK why they did not include the pilots for the deal to finalize. They want this done regardless of us pilots. Think about it b

 

[dicko]

Wow!!! You know what our MC wants/needs to do and you also know how 50% or our pilot group will vote!! Read your post before you hit the submit button you moron. Have fun hanging around Guadalupe Holdings at your new pay rates....you might be there for a while.

I suggest some counseling for the anger management. Or posting sober

Call your MC and ask them whether they welcome arbitration. Then get back to me.

You might follow your own advice regarding posting. If you think GD Holdings is anything more than an administrative Tool then ..... Go back a word or seven :laugh:

 

[vixin]

The MC does support arbitration. I spoke with two of them about it.

 

[RIDETHELIGHTING]

Well good then, we should just do what delta and nw did. Go straight to arbitration, and get it done before DOCC.

 

[Bwipilot]

RIDETHELIGHTING: What's the big hurry to get the SLI done? If a good one can be negotiated it's a lot better than sending it to an arbitrator for who knows what.

To be honest, that's a hypothetical question. Those who are in a hurry to get to the end of the SLI process consist of those who want SWA pay rates, don't have them yet, and figure they have little to lose in arbitration.

To their chagrin, the other group is very interested in what happens in the SLI process and is in no hurry to rush to an SLI that's not appealing.

 

[jonjuan]

To their chagrin, the other group is very interested in what happens in the SLI process and is in no hurry to rush to an SLI that's not appealing.

Frankly, the SLI won't be appealing to either group. You can't delay the inevitable. The arbitrator will decide and I doubt he'll consider any "culture" when making said decision.

 

[roughneck]

Frankly, the SLI won't be appealing to either group. You can't delay the inevitable. The arbitrator will decide and I doubt he'll consider any "culture" when making said decision.

You are absolutely right. The arbitrator will stick with facts. Facts like any integration, including a staple, will bring a tremendous career windfall for all F9 pilots. The rest is just emotional and will be discarded as such. He will stick to the facts and those boys are the facts.

 

[stalker]

Did not realize we were back to buying Frontier again!

 

[Secret Squirrel]

You are absolutely right. The arbitrator will stick with facts. Facts like any integration, including a staple, will bring a tremendous career windfall for all F9 pilots. The rest is just emotional and will be discarded as such. He will stick to the facts and those boys are the facts.

What does the F9 pilot group have to do about anything? Come on, if you are going to rant, at least wait until you are rational enough to type.

 

[Cometman]

I said it before but nobody responded. If it goes to arbitration they will look at facts. That is a true statement. DOH will be the only fair way. It will give everybody credit for time spent with the company. Now, since SWA is about 4 times larger there will be a ratio of at least 4:1 from the DOH. It could very well be higher because whether anybody wants to admit, SWA is a better all around airline. Nobody questions that. That is why 100% of Airtran wants to come to SWA and 0% wants it the other way. Don't you think the 3 arbitrators will look at that. Of course they will. As far as what Airtran brings to the table. SWA paid money for anything worth bringing. That is why they bought you. I know it is not what some want to hear but it is the way it will happen. Some think I work for SWA and a few thing I work for Airtran. I am looking at this with common sense. Good luck.

 

[roughneck]

It was an honest mistake but one easily made between the way the F9 guys acted and what they though they deserved and the way the AT guys on this forum are acting.

 

[Max Powers]

I said it before but nobody responded. If it goes to arbitration they will look at facts. That is a true statement. DOH will be the only fair way. It will give everybody credit for time spent with the company. Now, since SWA is about 4 times larger there will be a ratio of at least 4:1 from the DOH. It could very well be higher because whether anybody wants to admit, SWA is a better all around airline. Nobody questions that. That is why 100% of Airtran wants to come to SWA and 0% wants it the other way. Don't you think the 3 arbitrators will look at that. Of course they will. As far as what Airtran brings to the table. SWA paid money for anything worth bringing. That is why they bought you. I know it is not what some want to hear but it is the way it will happen. Some think I work for SWA and a few thing I work for Airtran. I am looking at this with common sense. Good luck.

Your right they will look at facts........Fact 1 they use other SLIs as precedent and those other decisions are all decided on relative seniority and expected career progression.

 

[Ty Webb]

Some think I work for SWA and a few thing I work for Airtran. I am looking at this with common sense. Good luck.

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

 

[PapaWoody]

I said it before but nobody responded. If it goes to arbitration they will look at facts. That is a true statement. DOH will be the only fair way. It will give everybody credit for time spent with the company. Now, since SWA is about 4 times larger there will be a ratio of at least 4:1 from the DOH. It could very well be higher because whether anybody wants to admit, SWA is a better all around airline. Nobody questions that. That is why 100% of Airtran wants to come to SWA and 0% wants it the other way. Don't you think the 3 arbitrators will look at that. Of course they will. As far as what Airtran brings to the table. SWA paid money for anything worth bringing. That is why they bought you. I know it is not what some want to hear but it is the way it will happen. Some think I work for SWA and a few thing I work for Airtran. I am looking at this with common sense. Good luck.

HOW DARE YOU LOOK AT THIS FROM A RATIONAL POINT OF VIEW?!!? COMMON SENSE HAS NO PLACE ON THIS FORUM! IT'S IN THE ToC, I THINK...I RECOMMEND IMMEDIATE TIME IN THE QUIET ROOM! :smash:

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PapaWoody

 

[Ty Webb]

One thing's for sure, there are a few guys on here that are going to be very disappointed.

 

[PapaWoody]

Your right they will look at facts........Fact 1 they use other SLIs as precedent and those other decisions are all decided on relative seniority and expected career progression.

Fact 2, recent SLIs are extremely different from this one, and will be disregarded as precedents for this case. If you want one that comes close, reference the USA/AWA dispatchers arbitrated SLI (arbitrated under A/M, btw), there are enough similarities in that to possibly be precedential. Or stick your head back in the sand and repeat the mantra "relative seniority, relative seniority..." while clicking your ruby slippers together.

PW

 

[PapaWoody]

One thing's for sure, there are a few guys on here that are going to be very disappointed.

Wow, Ty, I actually agree with you on something! The funny thing is, the ones that probably will be are the ones that just hit the career earnings jackpot. Which is just sad .

PW