Integrating AAI into SWA

[Dash Power]

So ..... You're saying that you won't speak to us if you don't get what you want ?

I am speaking about EVERY pilot I have discussed this topic. The reality is that EVERY one of them DO NOT want this acquisition. Period.

If you dont get what you think is fair you're going to behave like a child. You are going to help destroy your much vaunted culture ?

No, I will act like an adult. I don't have to share my life with everyone the same way. Our culture IS in jeopardy. That is one reason EVERY pilot I have talked to DO NOT want this deal. I am Jjust sharing the reality. Do what you want with this truthful information.

I dont care how many years it takes you to "emotionally accept" the outcome. Grow up. You sound like an old US Air pilot.

Again, This is the reality of the situation. Growing up has nothing to do with the facts.

I think you should amend the last line of your post to read; "Good luck to me".

I have little to lose and nothing to gain compared to everyone else involved. I have what some think to be senior on our list. I am concerned about all SWA pilots.

 

[Ty Webb]

I really do not think he meant it that way. You have to realize that if it goes to arbitration it will be fair.

Yup. As in fair-ly certain to piss off any pilot who was hoping to move up in seniority as a result of the merger. Remember, hourly pay rates change, but seniority within the list is permanent. A 40 year-old pilot will likely fly under 3 or 4 more contracts.

There will probably be 3 arbitrators that hears the case. They will see that Air tran is bringing nothing to the table except employees.

I think you left off 138 planes, profitable routes (700+ daily departures to 74 cities) a decade of profitability, international Ops, slots, 30 gates at the busiest airport, and some other inconvenient little facts that don't support your argument, ostrich-man.

There must be a reason why 100% of the Airtran employees are very happy with the buy out and cannot wait for the deal to be complete.

That depends how it goes and what ones' expectations are. If it goes as it should, there won't be much change for anyone, which I sense will disappoint you greatly.



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[ivauir]

Ty,

What if it is you who has the unrealistic expectations?

 

[S3sundowner]

Dicko, he's saying that swa have to protect their guys' seniority in this deal. Anything less will be a loss for them. They have nothing to gain and seniority to lose. Why don't you get that? If GK was to put a labor agreement on this, the aai guys would do anything to make sure this goes through. And that would include voting for a staple. End of. He should have.

 

[S3sundowner]

Ty, swa are bringing you so much more. AAI bring the swa guys NOTHING. What about your gates and departures? Who cares? Shareholders? Maybe. Pilots? Not a bit. Look at what swa are bringing you. Profitable? Don't make me laugh! You guys only made money because you charge for bags! I'd give you guys a permanent fence in atl at your pay rates. Final offer.

 

[Ty Webb]

Ty,

What if it is you who has the unrealistic expectations?

Both Pilot groups have been asked to not debate expectations, and I'm going to respect that. Time will tell whose expectations were realistic.

 

[Ty Webb]

Ty, swa are bringing you so much more. AAI bring the swa guys NOTHING. What about your gates and departures? Who cares? Shareholders? Maybe. Pilots? Not a bit. Look at what swa are bringing you. Profitable? Don't make me laugh! You guys only made money because you charge for bags! I'd give you guys a permanent fence in atl at your pay rates. Final offer.

You're kind of late to the party, junior, and looks like you don't even have an invitation . . . so, sorry, thanks for playing. You don't have to go home, but you can't stay here.

As a parting gift, you will receive a leather-bound copy of "21st Century SLI Case Law" with an autographed introduction signed by Senators McCaskill and Bond for you to enjoy on your bus ride back to Pig's Knuckle, AR :laugh:

 

[Cometman]

You're kind of late to the party, junior, and looks like you don't even have an invitation . . . so, sorry, thanks for playing. You don't have to go home, but you can't stay here.

As a parting gift, you will receive a leather-bound copy of "21st Century SLI Case Law" with an autographed introduction signed by Senators McCaskill and Bond for you to enjoy on your bus ride back to Pig's Knuckle, AR :laugh:

Here goes another lawyer. The M and B law does not say anything except fair. What is fair will be up to the unions or arbitrator. Did you and Lear 70 go to the same law school? You should delete that part because it makes you appear a little uneducated. I know you are smarter than that.

 

[TAZ MAN]

You're kind of late to the party, junior, and looks like you don't even have an invitation . . . so, sorry, thanks for playing. You don't have to go home, but you can't stay here.

As a parting gift, you will receive a leather-bound copy of "21st Century SLI Case Law" with an autographed introduction signed by Senators McCaskill and Bond for you to enjoy on your bus ride back to Pig's Knuckle, AR :laugh:

That is just a weird response.

 

[Ty Webb]

Here goes another lawyer. The M and B law does not say anything except fair. What is fair will be up to the unions or arbitrator. .

Yup. So let them do their job. All you're doing here is setting yourself up for disappointment, anger and frustration.

 

[Ty Webb]

That is just a weird response.

Look at his profile. He works for Jet Blue (2200TT?), recently joined FI (26 posts?) and doesn't seem to have even a nascent awareness of recent merger SLI precedent.

I know, he's an industry savant . . . . .

 

[Cometman]

Yup. So let them do their job. All you're doing here is setting yourself up for disappointment, anger and frustration.

I think you should just admit that you were wrong about what the M and B states. Be a man. It is better to admit that you are wrong rather than beat around the bush. I stated it would be determined by the unions or the arbitrator. The law wanted an outside panel to determine the list rather than the airline itself. That is what makes it fair. It could be anything.

 

[S3sundowner]

Ty, losing the argument are we?

 

[S3sundowner]

...or better yet you don't have one.

 

[S3sundowner]

...oh it's a lot more time than that too. Plus it's stick and rudder time, not raytheon or honeywell time. Know what that is?

 

[Ty Webb]

...or better yet you don't have one.

The original argument appeared on FI two months ago. You missed it. What do you care, anyway? Still licking your wounds from your AirTran rejection letter? Oh, wait, you don't mean our minimum requirements to apply. :laugh:

 

[Ty Webb]

...oh it's a lot more time than that too. Plus it's stick and rudder time, not raytheon or honeywell time. Know what that is?

I've got underwear with more flight time than you :laugh:.

 

[Uppercrust]

I've got underwear with more flight time than you :laugh:

Your panties do have a lot of time on them......don't they??

Come out Ty!

 

[Cometman]

I've got underwear with more flight time than you :laugh:

I would recommend you quit while you have the chance. It seems every time you write you get deeper and deeper. Don't feel bad. You once were a rising star but now that you responded to several posts and made a fool out of yourself you would be better off not responding. Remember, you would rather someone think you are a fool than to open your month and remove all doubt.

I say this in a friendly manner.

 

[Ty Webb]

I would recommend you quit while you have the chance. . . . . I say this in a friendly manner.

I'm sure. I would expect nothing less.

 

[S3sundowner]

Ty, I'm sorry but I just can't beat that. I'm outta here for good. I've got better things to do. Good luck with the acquisition. I'm sure you'll be rewarded for what you bring to the table.

 

[Ty Webb]

Your panties do have a lot of time on them......don't they??

Come out Ty!

They're "man-ties". Don't worry, you'll get to see them when we do the raft training, Uppercrud.

 

[Ty Webb]

What are the minimums these days???? Is speaking English at a third grade level a requirement??

Is it just me, or does anyone else hear the voice of "Stewie" when they read Uppercrud's posts? :laugh:

 

[ASADFW7]

Hey Ty, 8000 hours, uhm, better keep your comments in close, we have guys at SWA with more time in the 737 than you do total, there is always someone who will rub your nose in it. I myself have over 15K hours of flight time, think you can teach me something when you come over to SWA. I may have misinterpreted the context of your posts but bullying pilots with less time is a little beneath us here at SWA, better get it out of your system before you change uniforms.

 

[The Prussian]

I think you left off 138 planes, profitable routes (700+ daily departures to 74 cities) a decade of profitability, international Ops, slots, 30 gates at the busiest airport, and some other inconvenient little facts that don't support your argument, ostrich-man.
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You remind me of a used car salesman that sold me a peice of junk several years ago...

 

[Lear70]

Moderator hat on:

How many times do we have to tell people that they cannot discuss scabs on this forum? It's a legal liability, and simply isn't allowed.

The next person to do it gets thrown in the cooler for 30 days. If it's a repeat infraction, I'm going to consider permanently banning you. Repeat offenders have had plenty of opportunities to review the rules.

/mod

 

[BlueBlood]

Ty said:

Oh, wait, you don't mean our minimum requirements to apply.

That's a funny comment coming from someone at AirTran. Have you been saving for your type rating?

 

[T3700]

This thread has got to be close to setting a record for juvenile "my dad can beat your dad" comments. The SLI is going to be what it's going to be. If you want to spend the rest of your life upset about whether someone else got a better deal than you did, why did you become an airline pilot in the first place?

 

[GuppyWN]

Hey Ty, 8000 hours, uhm, better keep your comments in close, we have guys at SWA with more time in the 737 than you do total,

Hey Ty, I'm Gup. Nice to meet you. I'm gonna go call my stock broker.

Gup

 

[Ty Webb]

Hey Ty, 8000 hours, uhm, better keep your comments in close, we have guys at SWA with more time in the 737 than you do total, there is always someone who will rub your nose in it.

I'm surprised to have to explain this to any of you, but here goes:

The guy who supposedly works for Jet Blue and was throwing rocks at AirTran pilots (ie your future coworkers) joined this board in the past few weeks (he had 19 posts to his name, for crying out loud). His profile, which, again, is a few weeks old, shows 2200TT. That's basically zero experience in this industry.

My point was this guy was a newbie to the industry and his opinions carry little weight, at least to me. I don't give TT much attention; I haven't bothered to update my own time on FI in years (I've been at AirTran for over 9 years, you do the math). If you want to read something else into it, knock yourselves out, Ty has a thick and hairy hide :laugh:.

I myself have over 15K hours of flight time, think you can teach me something when you come over to SWA. I may have misinterpreted the context of your posts but bullying pilots with less time is a little beneath us here at SWA, better get it out of your system before you change uniforms.

Uh, yeah, I think you misinterpreted my post. See above.