Informational Stapling Compass to Delta Website

[relief tube]

Wow. Correct me if I'm wrong, but back when Northwest existed, didn't those guys that rolled the dice at compass do so for "preferential interviews/hiring" at NWA? They were never on NW's list, right?

So why are these fellas half-expecting the "priviledge" of getting on Delta's list? You all rolled the dice with an independent NWA, not what exists now. Compass has been around for what, a year and a half? Good luck- wish I could dream as well.

 

[SpauldingSmails]

Wow. Correct me if I'm wrong, but back when Northwest existed, didn't those guys that rolled the dice at compass do so for "preferential interviews/hiring" at NWA? They were never on NW's list, right?

So why are these fellas half-expecting the "priviledge" of getting on Delta's list? You all rolled the dice with an independent NWA, not what exists now. Compass has been around for what, a year and a half? Good luck- wish I could dream as well.

That's not 100% accurate. When NWA existed, as under the current DAL structure the offer is not for "preferential interviews/hiring", its for flow-through rights. You are correct in that we never have been on the NW seniority list however.

I don't think any of us are "half-expecting the privilege", but can you blame us for being excited at the prospect of this possibly happening!?

 

[relief tube]

hey, if you all get it, really good for you all.

And really bad for the rest of us- could kiss the chances of a job at delta goodbye before 2020.

time'll tell

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Well. The benefits that CPZ have is/are that the NWA pilot group held them really close.
Same goes for Mesaba. They have a great working relationship with the NWA MEC. I hope that continues.
As for the other DCI carriers. Wholly owned airlines will be the first to be looked at. As for the others, time will tell.
FWIW, after 2012, there are going to more than enough positions open here at DAL. Now you may have to go to a 170 or the like, but the movement will be swift.

 

[mynameisjim]

I see why everyone at DL would like this, but why would anyone at Compass want to be stapled to DL. When DL furloughs all at Compass will be on the steet and DL pilots will be in those seats for a long time

I would happily trade a furlough for a Delta seniority number.

 

[NuGuy]

Well. The benefits that CPZ have is/are that the NWA pilot group held them really close.
Same goes for Mesaba. They have a great working relationship with the NWA MEC. I hope that continues.
As for the other DCI carriers. Wholly owned airlines will be the first to be looked at. As for the others, time will tell.
FWIW, after 2012, there are going to more than enough positions open here at DAL. Now you may have to go to a 170 or the like, but the movement will be swift.

Heyas ACL,

Great point. NWA pilots, and now all DAL pilots, own the seats at Compass. They were bought and paid for by fNWA concessions. The situation is completely different than at any other carrier.

The NWA/XJ relationship has always been cordial, with great communications. The flow agreement between the two is pragmatic. It should be noted that the only pilots to flow so far have been XJ pilots, and they were very much welcomed, even after the normal hiring pipeline had stopped.

IMHO, other groups may have made enemies on both sides of the fence, and that can't be good in the long run.

Nu

 

[Fly4hire]

I see why everyone at DL would like this, but why would anyone at Compass want to be stapled to DL. When DL furloughs all at Compass will be on the steet and DL pilots will be in those seats for a long time

And if DAL furloughs they will all be on street, with or without a staple. If they flow up, they go right to the bottom of list. I think most would rather have recall rights to DAL instead of CPZ

 

[IFLYIMC]

And if DAL furloughs they will all be on street, with or without a staple. If they flow up, they go right to the bottom of list. I think mist would rather of recall rights to DAL instead of CPZ

Your statement is not 100% correct, in that CPZ pilots not stapled to DAL list would only allow 90% of the CPZ pilots to be displaced. If DAL wants to staple us to the bottom then DAL can have all the seats...By the time DAL figures out how many they are going to furlough and those who elect to come to CPZ go through training and put online, it would be roughly 18 months before DAL pilots take those seats...Not to mention only if DAL doesn't staple CPZ to the bottom only around 175 or so are going to be CA at 2nd year rate which is pay cut for all of you coming over! If you still want to come over after all the CA seat are filled you can plan on the cut being even more than that roughly 75% pay cut just so you can have job flying and say I pushed CPZ pilots to the street! Now if you staple then I'm sure at some point in time MEC will negotiate pay rates for the 175...Then CPZ looks even better for DAL pilots to hang their hat on...

 

[ACL65PILOT]

I would happily trade a furlough for a Delta seniority number.

Well you better make that point known. There are a few of your fellow pilots that want to splinter from the MEC, or get their own union.
After this happens you can bet that they will want to cancel the flow. (This could prove easier than you think) We at DAL would then have to allow it and not reduce the number of 76 seat jets.
This would create another CMR, that wants more flying to help the career progression.
It would get rid of a lot of financial incentive that DAL has not to furlough, as well as another piece of the CBA that makes it cost money.
Having a separate MEC is in effect a real money and career looser for anyone on either list. Look three or four steps further down the road, and if a seperate MEC is created you will just be another regional with out a flow.

 

[NuGuy]

Well you better make that point known. There are a few of your fellow pilots that want to splinter from the MEC, or get their own union.
After this happens you can bet that they will want to cancel the flow. (This could prove easier than you think) We at DAL would then have to allow it and not reduce the number of 76 seat jets.
This would create another CMR, that wants more flying to help the career progression.
It would get rid of a lot of financial incentive that DAL has not to furlough, as well as another piece of the CBA that makes it cost money.
Having a separate MEC is in effect a real money and career looser for anyone on either list. Look three or four steps further down the road, and if a seperate MEC is created you will just be another regional with out a flow.

Heyas ACL,

The word I've been hearing is that CMR, in it's present form, is not long for this world.

Think Piedmont, but without the nitch markets and without the fall back turboprops.

It's not easy to outsource turboprop flying...not a lot of players in that market. Outsourcing RJ flying, OTOH.

Nu

 

[flyboyike]

My other fear is that if we staple Compass, the Comair pilots will use this as a springboard to once again try and force their way on to our list, and I want no part of that.

I agree, that would be a tragedy. Fear the Comair pilot!

 

[Buzo]

Your statement is not 100% correct, in that CPZ pilots not stapled to DAL list would only allow 90% of the CPZ pilots to be displaced.

I think the 100% is correct until CPZ pilots get to choose whether they want to flow-up, and only 10% are protected if they decline. Since no one has had that choice yet, I believe DAL still gets 100% until that point.

 

[IFLYIMC]

I think the 100% is correct until CPZ pilots get to choose whether they want to flow-up, and only 10% are protected if they decline. Since no one has had that choice yet, I believe DAL still gets 100% until that point.

DAL gets only 90% period whether a CPZ choose to flow or not....If a CPZ pilot is offered the flow he has 45 days to decide, if he/she decides to stay at CPZ all the flow downs flow around that CPZ pilot...

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Heyas ACL,

The word I've been hearing is that CMR, in it's present form, is not long for this world.

Think Piedmont, but without the nitch markets and without the fall back turboprops.

It's not easy to outsource turboprop flying...not a lot of players in that market. Outsourcing RJ flying, OTOH.

Nu

Correct, I see OH going Oh Oh.
We just need to realize that packaging up CPZ and getting something for it does not solve our problems.
Why do you think we only have 15 737-700's on order? The 175 and 195 can do all of its flying.
This my friends is not an option. It is a must to keep our narrow gauge flying on property.

We are willfully giving this away. Something the company will let us do, but will let us regret it too.

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

DAL gets only 90% period whether a CPZ choose to flow or not....If a CPZ pilot is offered the flow he has 45 days to decide, if he/she decides to stay at CPZ all the flow downs flow around that CPZ pilot...

No CPZ pilots have been offered flowthrough, though.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

looks like there is new stuff on http://combinecompass.com

 

[mynameisjim]

Well you better make that point known. There are a few of your fellow pilots that want to splinter from the MEC, or get their own union.
After this happens you can bet that they will want to cancel the flow. (This could prove easier than you think) We at DAL would then have to allow it and not reduce the number of 76 seat jets.
This would create another CMR, that wants more flying to help the career progression.
It would get rid of a lot of financial incentive that DAL has not to furlough, as well as another piece of the CBA that makes it cost money.
Having a separate MEC is in effect a real money and career looser for anyone on either list. Look three or four steps further down the road, and if a seperate MEC is created you will just be another regional with out a flow.

As a probie FO with no vote to proxy, and working the day of my LEC meeting, there's not much I can do. I've written my reps.

 

[Blade Runner]

The DAL pilots will need to create a real relationship with the 'regional' MEC's and the CMR and Mesaba pilots will need to learn to get a long.

CMR and XJ Pilots get along just fine. It's the DAL pilots we are concerned about.

 

[Scope out RJ's]

CMR and XJ Pilots get along just fine. It's the DAL pilots we are concerned about.

Blade:
Not sure if you're CMR or XJ. But looking at things, if you're cmr, you might want to start looking for a new line of work! And thank the senior cmr types for the perdicament they put you in today

 

[Buzo]

DAL gets only 90% period whether a CPZ choose to flow or not....If a CPZ pilot is offered the flow he has 45 days to decide, if he/she decides to stay at CPZ all the flow downs flow around that CPZ pilot...

Which letter are you reading. I am trying to find the language.