More Talking Points(TM)Fewer pax seats on the 764?Yup...298 on NWA vs 285 on your 764. Is that for the A330-200 or A330-300? You have 2 types, and they aren't the same size. Your A332 is the size of a 767-300ER---I see them all of the time in AMS and CDG.298 seats on the 330-300....of which we have the same number as you have 764's....We might have more business elite seats instead of coach seats more like it.Your 764 has 2 more biz class seats than our 330. Again, which size plane. Same with the 757-300. You actually are comparing the 757-300 to the 767-300ER?Yup....when it seats 10 more pax than your "widebody" does. 224 vs 214 on your ER. 757-300 has 2 first class seats and pays the same as the 767ER And, you are honestly comparing your 757-300 to our 767-300ER? Really? A single aisle long uncomfortable plane to our double aisle true widebody that can carry a lot more cargo and will be doing Intra Asia soon for just that reason? Should we start comparing "range" too?757-300 = more seats and the same pay as your old 76ER's.Come on now. How about cargo on the 767-300ERs?How about it? The 330 can carry 30,000 lbs of cargo. Are you comparing DAL's cargo capacity to NWA's? Really?Besides, I heard here that there's no money in freight, so it must be true. It depends on the plane I guess. Your 742s are not good, according to one of our VPs that you read in the PM I sent you. You mean the PM where the VP stressed that it was only his opinion and that higher ups would be making the call.....NOT HIM?He will be making the call, and you saw his answer. I saw what he himself called "His Opinion Only".The 747-200 is not a good plane according to the guy who will be deciding along with RA. I guess that doesn't count for you guys. Why do our planes pay the same BTW? We brought the 757 pay UP TO the 767 pay. Also, I wouldn't be talking too much about pay here. Your pay stinks.Your pension stinks. In about a month our pay is equal. Why are we discussing what NWA pilots will make in Oct.?We lost our pension, which is another reason we should get relative seniority or better. You dumped most of your rules and pay to keep that pension of yours, and that helps with our argument about having pilots who generally are younger than yours. Your old pilot argument saying they are older, which means DOH should be implemented just doesn't work when you are left with a pension, yet get our pay scales and work rules (like the manning rules).It was a JPWA......Joint. We didn't "get your stuff, WE BOTH negotiated a new WA. I'll concede some seniority for the Pension when RA signs a promissory note saying it will NEVER be taken away in the future.Without that, it's just a promise that can be taken away in a future BK....after Seniority is set in stone for the rest of a pilot's career.Arbitrators will agree.Leave that out of your arguments. Ummm...I did....until you brought it up.I think the arbitrators will look at it.
The 764 is bigger than your A332, maybe not the A333.No maybe about it. The A333 seats more than your 764 and we have the same # of them (just A333's....not counting A332's)as you have total 764's, not even counting the fact that some (don't know how many)of your 764's are configured for 246 pax. Well there you go, you finally admit the A332 is smaller than the 764. Your NWALPA guys won't even call it "premium"---yeah, right.Your hilarious.....and apparently pretty dim. AGAIN, we have the same number of larger A330's as DAL has TOTAL 764's.THAT doesn't even factor in the fact that some of your 21 764's seat 246.The A332 is about the same size as a 767-300ER.It's bigger ------->NWA A332's seat 243 vs 214 on your 76ER. Since you insist on a dick measuring contest, how does the 764 or the 777 compare to the 744? HINT: the 744 seats 50% more than the 777.....and we have more of them than you have 777's. Well, it paid less than the 764, which really suks.It's paid the same as your 777. JPWA....have you heard about that?Don't forget to take away your cargo 742s (you saw PM I sent you, right?) too. I'll take em away when I see them leave, not when a mid level DL manager gives, by his own admission, his OPINION that they won't be kept, with no time frame mentioned.But whatever, take em away....that still leaves NWA with 42 a/c bigger than your 764's and 16 that are 50% bigger than your biggest a/c, of which you have 10.....remember, YOU brought up the 764....not me. Call him up, I am sure he will put you in your place.With his OPINION? HAHAHAHAHA It was an open forum, and you saw what he said and when he said it.Yes I did....you posted it but apparently didn't read it!I hope you guys use these arguments in the arbitration. Hopefully laughter will not break out in the hearings. Really DTW, I think you too know your arguments are ridiculous.Why? Refute my numbers. "Super duper Premium" widebody service.I agree, the superlatives being thrown around are comical.....but the facts about the A/C are spot on. Well, looking at what happened to USAir East when they request DOH, I don't think you will get close to that, and it will be closer to what USAir ended up with. DOH was a silly request, kinda like us asking for a staple. Riiiiiight. We'll all laugh about this someday I am sure.
Bye Bye--General Lee
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