If I wanted to phase out ASA....

[ASAFOE120]

Isn't this all a moot point anyway? Section I (Scope & Recognition) states that no more than 15 CR7's and no more than 40 CR2's can be transferred to skywest entities over the duration of the contract.

How will they get around that?

Jon Rivoli stated: "the only reason you (ASA) are profitable is because the contract SkyWest inherited when it aquired ASA is not tied to performance, were you paid under a contract similar to SkyWest's you would NOT be making any money. This contract has about three more years then it reverts to perfomance based compensation."

So you are stating that Skywest Inc. purchased ASA knowing that 3 years later we wouldnt be making Inc. any profits? Surely Atkin and the BOD would not have wasted all those millions to purchase us knowing that 3 years later we would be dead weight.

 

[Splert]

...he's no dumby or SGU lacky.

Your right he is a puppet. How else can a CFI be appointed COO?

What is his education? Gliem? CFI, line pilot, CK Airman, Sim instructor, DO, VP of Ops.

If I had a question regarding Op Specs he is the go to guy. If I needed an answer regadring EBITDA he would have to get back to me after he called Jerry or Chip as asked "what the puck is EBITDA"!!!

He is the face of a back door Single Transportation System.

 

[GearUpLightsIn]

He is the face of a back door Single Transportation System.

Like that is any different than under BL. The last face was a clown the new face is a seventies pornstar. At least the pornstar gets laid.

 

[Andy Neill]

Andy, if you are not a SkyWest pilot, and don't even work in the industry, then
1.) Why do you care? and
2.) Why should we be interested in your opinion?

1) I have a mind and this is one way of using it.
2) No reason at all. Why bother responding?

If you're not a party to the discussion, then you're only raising the issue to stir up trouble.

I don't agree with that.

The fact that you lied by omission when you said you're not with SkyWest

I don't agree with that.

I'm sure you still have friends there and may even own stock. Surely you have SOME interest in seeing ASA go away....We ASA pilots are sick and tired of seeing SkyWest employees gleefully plotting the demise of our company.

I may have friends there .... I am in contact with none.

I own no stock in SKYW (I would be sellling it for better opportunities if I did).

I have no interest in seeing ASA go away. Please point out my gleeful anticipation of such and I will retract it.

How about this? Since ASA is more profitable than SkyWest Airlines, maybe they're going to phase out SkyWest in the same fashion you mention? That could be why BH is here. They will phase out SkyWest Airlines, then change the name of ASA to SkyWest. Really, I think this scenario is much more likely since SkyWest Airlines is a minor player in a minor DCI hub, and ASA has the infrastructure in Delta's largest hub, and is wildly profitable despite mismanagement. Not to mention that UAL just dropped the no complete clause. ASA could do it all. We could make crazy money if streamlined. Think about it. I say SkyWest is history. But don't worry, our union will give your pilots preferential hiring.

I'll watch for that.

That you ask for an unemotional debate on this topic is laughable. So is you saying you "don't want to debate the pros and cons".

I asked for no debate but discussion. I'm a firm believer that honest intelligent people can exchange opinion without animus and nothing here has changed that belief.

So basically, you're just another Flightinfo prophet expressing his opinion, and passing it off as fact.

Please point out what I have passed off as fact that is not and I will correct that.

 

[Andy Neill]

Andy,
Miss ya man. What are you up to now? If not in this industry what then?

I'm investing full time now. I maintain diverse interests including a featured role in Ray Cooney's It Runs In The Family as Dr Hubert Bonney in community theater next January. Enjoying life and financial freedom. [Thanks Utah Pilot].

....and you?

 

[HoserASA]

It reminds me a little of the Paul "Bear" Bryant when he first took over the Head Coaching job at Alabama. Alabama was a complete mess with no discipline. The rest is history on how that great man revived a great tradition (that was for you Hoser). Trojan

Hope it happens Trojan. Right now there is division on the team amongst the players. Hopefully Saban cans those players who don't comply with Saban's requirement for disipline on and off the field, and over the next 2 years gets the players who buy into the his system, and Bama can return to the powerhouse it once was. Hope it starts tomorrow over on the plains!

Hoser
voted no....
How about those Packers!

 

[B727FA]

As much as you must hate the fact ASA has a very good relationship with Delta,

I didn't know this was a comedy show!

 

[USCtrojan]

I didn't know this was a comedy show!

It wasn't until you just posted. ;-)

Trojan

 

[Speedtape]

Andy,

You don't understand the contract or the Railway Labor Act. Please spend your time familiarizing yourself with both before you try to enlighten yourself or others by submitting your speculative scenarios. Once you become somewhat familiar, then you will see why some of the things you suggest cannot happen. You will also see why ASA has a bright future as an independent company.

ASA had value, which allowed a sale between two interested parties. ASA's contract is a legal enforceable document that was inherited by the buyer. Since the purchase, the contract has been renegotiated and signed by the new owner. That contract is still enforceable. Through the purchase of ASA, Skywest Inc., was able to procure 15 year marketing agreements for both ASA as well as Skywest Airlines that were affirmed by the Bankruptcy Court.

Skywest Airlines will not be operating in ATL in the near future for the some of the same reasons that ASA is not operating in SLC. Those resources will be reallocated to some new opportunities on the West Coast. It makes much more sense.

The ASA employees have endured 4 Presidents in the last 7 years. None have solved the operational problems. These problems are not caused by the hardworking pilots, F/A's, Mechanics, or remaining employees. In fact, without the Herculean efforts of the named employee groups, this company would have failed a long time ago.

We are not threatened by the appointment of a new President, qualified or not. Like a marriage, we signed on "for better or worse!" We have seen the worst, so now we are hoping for the better. This company is fertile ground for success if led by someone with enough competence and foresight to provide the employees with the tools and processes to achieve the performance goals. We need leadership! We do not need somone who wants to pick up a paycheck, acquire stock options and mangage with a status quo mentality.

Skywest Inc., may own ASA. However, the former owner is still calling the shots when necessary. They have a vested interest in making sure this company succeeds. Atlanta is the bread and butter of this transportation giant. ASA is deeply entrenched in that operation.

There are many things that need improvement that are way beyond the control of the employees. If the 5th future President cannot orchestrate the needed changes, he will be spending more quality time with his family in the near future. The onus is on him--not the employees. We wish him well! We want to succeed!

 

[MONKEY]

Here's my take for what it's worth.

Many people here at SkyWest like Brad many hate him. This always seems to be the case with people who get things done. In order to accomplish a lot they are going to step on a lot of toes. Like him or not he will get things done. ASA will change operationally for the better.

The pilots will love that they will start to get home on time. The Union will hate the fact that he will get rid of anyone who does not perform their job to the letter of the contract.

I find it funny that when an airline hires a bean counter as president all the work groups gasp because he doesn't understand the front lines. Also every pilot on here has a better way of running the airlines. Now an airline has chosen a pilot and everyone is freaking out, "what qualifications does he have to run an airline?" My guess is that INC will run the financial portion of the airline and BH will run the airline part of the airline.

Many pilots on here think that it is all on BH to get this thing fixed or he will be sent down the road with the rest. My gut feeling is that you are right that he will be sent down the road, but you are wrong in thinking that you won't suffer as well. If ASA does not succeed, you will shrink. If you improve, you will grow and add at least one additional codeshare.

I know that it's not kosher to want to steal flying away from other groups, but I would like to see you doing United Express flying on the East coast that is currently being done by MESA.

 

[Andy Neill]

Andy,

You don't understand the contract or the Railway Labor Act. Please spend your time familiarizing yourself with both before you try to enlighten yourself or others by submitting your speculative scenarios. Once you become somewhat familiar, then you will see why some of the things you suggest cannot happen. You will also see why ASA has a bright future as an independent company....

What have I said that indicates my lack of understanding of the RLA? Indeed, I asked what I was missing and I was reminded of the provision to either limit aircraft transfers or offer transfers to SkyWest Airlines for position losses above a certain level.

So what is in the RLA that will limit the scenario I presented? What is in the contract beyond what has already been discussed?

I have no dispute at all with the rest of your post.

 

[SkyNation]

what Monkey said.

do well, grow in IAD for UEX when Mesa gets the boot. that's what I'm hoping for y'all.

 

[CFI2766]

I'm investing full time now. I maintain diverse interests including a featured role in Ray Cooney's It Runs In The Family as Dr Hubert Bonney in community theater next January. Enjoying life and financial freedom. [Thanks Utah Pilot].

....and you?

Wow, so much going on in your life, but you have time to come on here and sh!t on ASA pilots...what a trooper!

You are 'the RUNS' in said production...

 

[CFI2766]

It's exactly what ASA needs. It reminds me a little of the Paul "Bear" Bryant when he first took over the Head Coaching job at Alabama. Alabama was a complete mess with no discipline. The rest is history on how that great man revived a great tradition (that was for you Hoser). I hope Mr. Holt walks in and starts to LEAD. I will be behind him 100% if he can do it. It won't be easy, but if ASA is ridiculously profitable now, imagine how it will look when it starts to perform.

Trojan[/quote]

Happy days!!!

Also, Coach Fran got FIRED!!! Scumbag sumb!tch...

Now, seriously, the Bear was the greatest college football coach in history. Ever was, ever will be. That being said, ASA is a totally different organization than a collegiate football team.

IMHO, The CEO that has success at ASA will have the pilots on his side. The one(s) that fail, will make enemies of the pilot group. We don't need Dr. Phil, but we do need someone to work with the pilot group, not against it. I don't think that the pilots would oppose someone who does the job well, regardless of periodic disagreements.

 

[79%N1]

What have I said that indicates my lack of understanding of the RLA? Indeed, I asked what I was missing and I was reminded of the provision to either limit aircraft transfers or offer transfers to SkyWest Airlines for position losses above a certain level.

So what is in the RLA that will limit the scenario I presented? What is in the contract beyond what has already been discussed?

I have no dispute at all with the rest of your post.

So why the he11 come on here in the first place spouting off your plan or idea on how to eliminate ASA??!?!?!?! What do you have to gain from this? How do you think ASA pilots will receive your post? What is the point?

Why don't you just title the post...'My idea on , how 1700 pilots, 1000 Flight Attendants and 200 mechanics can lose their jobs and livelihood, and ther ability to pay their bills and feed their families! Woo hoo! How exciting! I am Andy Neill, and here is my plan for thousands of people to lose their jobs! Aint I smart!!!
You are an unbelievable douchbag!

PM me and I'll tell you my name if you think that makes you so responsible. Maybe by then I'll have my plan on 'How to phase Andy Neill out of his job'!!!

 

[Andy Neill]

So why the he11 come on here in the first place spouting off your plan or idea on how to eliminate ASA??!?!?!?!

For the purpose of intellectual exchange. Maybe some ASA folks will be watching for the signs of this plan afoot in changes that take place over the next year. If the pilot list continues to maintain its present level or increases, then this scenario has no merit. On the other hand, it the list diminishes over the next year, perhaps they will remember this post as an early indicator. Perhaps they will wargame whether or not they would accept a transfer or consider what quality of life will be with a stagnated list. Perhaps they will be more proactive in moving to the majors.

What do you have to gain from this?

Perhaps insight.

How do you think ASA pilots will receive your post? What is the point?

Those that respect my process may watch for indications of its validation. Those who don't shouldn't be affected in the least.

Why don't you just title the post...'My idea on , how 1700 pilots, 1000 Flight Attendants and 200 mechanics can lose their jobs and livelihood, and ther ability to pay their bills and feed their families! Woo hoo! How exciting! I am Andy Neill, and here is my plan for thousands of people to lose their jobs! Aint I smart!!!

Because that would be misleading (and verrrrry looonnnnggg). The scenario I presented does not involve the loss of a single pilot job. I might clarify it does not necessarily represent what I think is a prudent course of action. Several of others have clearly (and civily) explained why it would not.

You are an unbelievable douchbag!

I disagree

PM me and I'll tell you my name if you think that makes you so responsible.

Will do.

Maybe by then I'll have my plan on 'How to phase Andy Neill out of his job'!!!

That was taken care of over a year ago. No need.

 

[79%N1]

Insight from a post called......"If I wanted to phase out ASA"! Riiight. More wishful thinking and Glee from Skywest Pilots on the misfortune of others. I guess even if you don't work there anymore you must be conditioned t think that way.

If you wanted intellectual exchange, you could have posted from a view of, 'What is the possibility of phasing out ASA'?, or 'Is there any likelihood of ASA being phased out?, or 'What prevents Skywest from phasing out ASA?'

And, Why do you care, anyway?

 

[USCtrojan]

It's exactly what ASA needs. It reminds me a little of the Paul "Bear" Bryant when he first took over the Head Coaching job at Alabama. Alabama was a complete mess with no discipline. The rest is history on how that great man revived a great tradition (that was for you Hoser). I hope Mr. Holt walks in and starts to LEAD. I will be behind him 100% if he can do it. It won't be easy, but if ASA is ridiculously profitable now, imagine how it will look when it starts to perform.

Trojan

Happy days!!!

Also, Coach Fran got FIRED!!! Scumbag sumb!tch...

Now, seriously, the Bear was the greatest college football coach in history. Ever was, ever will be. That being said, ASA is a totally different organization than a collegiate football team.

IMHO, The CEO that has success at ASA will have the pilots on his side. The one(s) that fail, will make enemies of the pilot group. We don't need Dr. Phil, but we do need someone to work with the pilot group, not against it. I don't think that the pilots would oppose someone who does the job well, regardless of periodic disagreements.[/quote]

Greatest Coach in College Football History? No, CERTAINLY ONE OF THE GREATEST!! I certainly don't mean to compare the University of Alabama's Football Program to ASA. That is not my intent. All I'm saying, is you had a GREAT Leader come in and harness the talent with strong discipline to create something special. I believe that can happen at ASA. WE DESPERATELY NEED LEADERSHIP. Performance numbers are way up already, now we just need a great leader to take us into the "big time, promised land" whatever you want to call it. Morale needs to improve and I think that can happen.

Conversely, an Airline MUST have growth to survive. Costs go up every year, and SkyWest Inc. is too small to absorb a long term stagnation. Anybody realizes this. ASA will continue to grow as new opportunities arrive. For ASA to shrink now, or even stagnate at all, will cost SkyWest Inc. millions of dollars. Cost of doing business? Perhaps. But that cost would be so high, I believe, it could or would sink the ship. Therefore, I don't see it happening. ASA is a money machine. Look at our past performance with our profit margins historically. It's a money tree, you don't chop down a money tree, would you? It's sad to say this, but I miss John and George. Yes, the original Satan and Hitler. They built an Airline so profitable, it didn't matter what level of service we provide. That's genius. I would take those 2 anyday and twice on Sunday than the Delta buffoons we got--Skip, Brian, Charlie, etc.

Trojan

 

[SkyNation]

More wishful thinking and Glee from Skywest Pilots on the misfortune of others. I guess even if you don't work there anymore you must be conditioned t think that way.

please post some examples of SkyWest pilots expressing 'glee' at the expense of ASA. I don't know of any, but if you can post examples I'd like to see them.

 

[USCtrojan]

I was talking with a certain gentleman last week in the hanger in SLC who is about to become your COO, he had some interesting things to say about ASA. First, the only reason you are profitable is because the contract SkyWest inherited when it aquired ASA is not tied to performance, were you paid under a contract similar to SkyWest's you would NOT be making any money. This contract has about three more years then it reverts to perfomance based compensation. Your new contract is amendable in THREE years. Your new contract ALLOWS for the transfrer of basically one plane every three months (how many 700's do you have?) that would be about 36 planes before your contract was up and you would not even be able to cry foul. It was expensive to transfer planes en mass, but the normal MX cycle will put an airplane in for a routine C check about every three months. Don't be suprised if they come out in SkyWest paint. Worst case scenario I can see is that by the time you enter negotiations again you have no more 700's and the ATR's have been retired. No furlows because of normal attrition. How many pilots would that leave you with? Don't shoot the messenger, just painting a picture. You have been out maneuvered by SGU.

P.S. I voted yes.

4 70's per year for a Maximum of 15 airplanes TOTAL. Forgot to mention that. Up to 40 CR2's Total with the same transfer rate max.

Trojan