If I wanted to phase out ASA....

[Jon Rivoli]

I was talking with a certain gentleman last week in the hanger in SLC who is about to become your COO, he had some interesting things to say about ASA. First, the only reason you are profitable is because the contract SkyWest inherited when it aquired ASA is not tied to performance, were you paid under a contract similar to SkyWest's you would NOT be making any money. This contract has about three more years then it reverts to perfomance based compensation. Your new contract is amendable in THREE years. Your new contract ALLOWS for the transfrer of basically one plane every three months (how many 700's do you have?) that would be about 36 planes before your contract was up and you would not even be able to cry foul. It was expensive to transfer planes en mass, but the normal MX cycle will put an airplane in for a routine C check about every three months. Don't be suprised if they come out in SkyWest paint. Worst case scenario I can see is that by the time you enter negotiations again you have no more 700's and the ATR's have been retired. No furlows because of normal attrition. How many pilots would that leave you with? Don't shoot the messenger, just painting a picture. You have been out maneuvered by SGU.

P.S. I voted yes.

 

[USCtrojan]

I was talking with a certain gentleman last week in the hanger in SLC who is about to become your COO, he had some interesting things to say about ASA. First, the only reason you are profitable is because the contract SkyWest inherited when it aquired ASA is not tied to performance, were you paid under a contract similar to SkyWest's you would NOT be making any money. This contract has about three more years then it reverts to perfomance based compensation. Your new contract is amendable in THREE years. Your new contract ALLOWS for the transfrer of basically one plane every three months (how many 700's do you have?) that would be about 36 planes before your contract was up and you would not even be able to cry foul. It was expensive to transfer planes en mass, but the normal MX cycle will put an airplane in for a routine C check about every three months. Don't be suprised if they come out in SkyWest paint. Worst case scenario I can see is that by the time you enter negotiations again you have no more 700's and the ATR's have been retired. No furlows because of normal attrition. How many pilots would that leave you with? Don't shoot the messenger, just painting a picture. You have been out maneuvered by SGU.

P.S. I voted yes.

You mean the Contract that ASA has had since its inception of providing Delta lift? If ASA is shrunk, or stagnates, the cost of the airline rises exponentially. Business people like to make money. I believe every line I read, therefore it stands to reason SkyWest will go out of business in the near future at the hand of ASA. It's amazing what you guys listen and believe on a daily basis.

Trojan

 

[yellowfever]

I was talking with a certain gentleman last week in the hanger in SLC who is about to become your COO, he had some interesting things to say about ASA. First, the only reason you are profitable is because the contract SkyWest inherited when it aquired ASA is not tied to performance, were you paid under a contract similar to SkyWest's you would NOT be making any money. This contract has about three more years then it reverts to perfomance based compensation. Your new contract is amendable in THREE years. Your new contract ALLOWS for the transfrer of basically one plane every three months (how many 700's do you have?) that would be about 36 planes before your contract was up and you would not even be able to cry foul. It was expensive to transfer planes en mass, but the normal MX cycle will put an airplane in for a routine C check about every three months. Don't be suprised if they come out in SkyWest paint. Worst case scenario I can see is that by the time you enter negotiations again you have no more 700's and the ATR's have been retired. No furlows because of normal attrition. How many pilots would that leave you with? Don't shoot the messenger, just painting a picture. You have been out maneuvered by SGU.

P.S. I voted yes.

Wouldn't that be only 12 a/c in three years?

 

[Jon Rivoli]

The costs are insulated for about three years. Don't underestimate Brad. I've talked with him on several occations; he's very approachable and he's no dumby or SGU lacky. My FO and I had him cornered in the break room at LAX for about an hour and a half one day and he was very open. The impression I came away with was that if I had an airline I would want him to run it. You're not going to fall in love with him, in fact many of you will come to hate him, but he will change ASA. I believe Jerry told him you've got three years, kick this pig. Talking to him last week I stood up for your guy's performance (rampers, fuelers, catering) he's not hearing it. On the other hand, if you have a problem with the above issues he will probably do something about it. He's a pilot ( he will still fly the line on occasion) and he's done very well for himself, but he still has the stink of oil and kerosene on him if you know what I mean. This is his opportunity to become a full fledged member of the club and I don't think he wants to "F" it up. I don't believe he is there to kill ASA, but if he can't fix the problems it will wither. Good luck.

 

[Jon Rivoli]

I stand corrected, 12 planes. But, how long did your last negotiations last?

 

[USCtrojan]

The costs are insulated for about three years. Don't underestimate Brad. I've talked with him on several occations; he's very approachable and he's no dumby or SGU lacky. My FO and I had him cornered in the break room at LAX for about an hour and a half one day and he was very open. The impression I came away with was that if I had an airline I would want him to run it. You're not going to fall in love with him, in fact many of you will come to hate him, but he will change ASA. I believe Jerry told him you've got three years, kick this pig. Talking to him last week I stood up for your guy's performance (rampers, fuelers, catering) he's not hearing it. On the other hand, if you have a problem with the above issues he will probably do something about it. He's a pilot ( he will still fly the line on occasion) and he's done very well for himself, but he still has the stink of oil and kerosene on him if you know what I mean. This is his opportunity to become a full fledged member of the club and I don't think he wants to "F" it up. I don't believe he is there to kill ASA, but if he can't fix the problems it will wither. Good luck.

I remember when our System Chief Pilot (SH) walked into SLC to meet our Base CP (RC). As Mr. Hall was introducing himself and put out his hand, RC looked at him and stated, "DO YOUR F'N JOB." Or something to that effect. The point being, at ASA we're all tired of the fluff that comes in at the top with no competence, other than being able to count. I for one am looking forward to a hard @ss. It's exactly what ASA needs. It reminds me a little of the Paul "Bear" Bryant when he first took over the Head Coaching job at Alabama. Alabama was a complete mess with no discipline. The rest is history on how that great man revived a great tradition (that was for you Hoser). I hope Mr. Holt walks in and starts to LEAD. I will be behind him 100% if he can do it. It won't be easy, but if ASA is ridiculously profitable now, imagine how it will look when it starts to perform.

Trojan

 

[Oakum_Boy]

Why is it that we ratify the TA, and the scabs come crawling out of the woodwork to predict the demise of ASA.

 

[buscap]

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[79%N1]

Nice reply. Great me-first attitude. Great speeelinng of ironic. Not sure what "Iriony" is...



In the immortal words of Rodney King, "Why can't we all just get along?"

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Because every 3 days one of your Rollover breatheren makes a post on 'how to get rid of ASA, when we're going to take ASA's planes, how we are going to get ASA's base, ASA's routes, etc, etc, etc........

And all with such glee!!! That is why ASA pilots grow weary of your attitudes! If Skywest wants to get rid of us....PLEASE DO!!! Just put out a damn memo telling me when to clear out and get it over with already! If one of you guys wants to buy a nice house in Newnan, let me know. When I finally get my pink slip I'll sell it you for a great price!

Quit with the damn conjecture! Tell your boys in SG to pull the plug already!

As for BH, I will ask him to his face the first time I see him if he is sent here to dismantle this company. I'll let you all know what he says!

In the mean time, continue with your drooling....

 

[yellowfever]

I stand corrected, 12 planes. But, how long did your last negotiations last?

I don't work for ASA, but it would take a long time to dismantle ASA at a rate of four a/c a year.

 

[ASAFOE120]

Isn't this all a moot point anyway? Section I (Scope & Recognition) states that no more than 15 CR7's and no more than 40 CR2's can be transferred to skywest entities over the duration of the contract.

How will they get around that?

Jon Rivoli stated: "the only reason you (ASA) are profitable is because the contract SkyWest inherited when it aquired ASA is not tied to performance, were you paid under a contract similar to SkyWest's you would NOT be making any money. This contract has about three more years then it reverts to perfomance based compensation."

So you are stating that Skywest Inc. purchased ASA knowing that 3 years later we wouldnt be making Inc. any profits? Surely Atkin and the BOD would not have wasted all those millions to purchase us knowing that 3 years later we would be dead weight.

 

[Splert]

...he's no dumby or SGU lacky.

Your right he is a puppet. How else can a CFI be appointed COO?

What is his education? Gliem? CFI, line pilot, CK Airman, Sim instructor, DO, VP of Ops.

If I had a question regarding Op Specs he is the go to guy. If I needed an answer regadring EBITDA he would have to get back to me after he called Jerry or Chip as asked "what the puck is EBITDA"!!!

He is the face of a back door Single Transportation System.

 

[GearUpLightsIn]

He is the face of a back door Single Transportation System.

Like that is any different than under BL. The last face was a clown the new face is a seventies pornstar. At least the pornstar gets laid.

 

[Andy Neill]

Andy, if you are not a SkyWest pilot, and don't even work in the industry, then
1.) Why do you care? and
2.) Why should we be interested in your opinion?

1) I have a mind and this is one way of using it.
2) No reason at all. Why bother responding?

If you're not a party to the discussion, then you're only raising the issue to stir up trouble.

I don't agree with that.

The fact that you lied by omission when you said you're not with SkyWest

I don't agree with that.

I'm sure you still have friends there and may even own stock. Surely you have SOME interest in seeing ASA go away....We ASA pilots are sick and tired of seeing SkyWest employees gleefully plotting the demise of our company.

I may have friends there .... I am in contact with none.

I own no stock in SKYW (I would be sellling it for better opportunities if I did).

I have no interest in seeing ASA go away. Please point out my gleeful anticipation of such and I will retract it.

How about this? Since ASA is more profitable than SkyWest Airlines, maybe they're going to phase out SkyWest in the same fashion you mention? That could be why BH is here. They will phase out SkyWest Airlines, then change the name of ASA to SkyWest. Really, I think this scenario is much more likely since SkyWest Airlines is a minor player in a minor DCI hub, and ASA has the infrastructure in Delta's largest hub, and is wildly profitable despite mismanagement. Not to mention that UAL just dropped the no complete clause. ASA could do it all. We could make crazy money if streamlined. Think about it. I say SkyWest is history. But don't worry, our union will give your pilots preferential hiring.

I'll watch for that.

That you ask for an unemotional debate on this topic is laughable. So is you saying you "don't want to debate the pros and cons".

I asked for no debate but discussion. I'm a firm believer that honest intelligent people can exchange opinion without animus and nothing here has changed that belief.

So basically, you're just another Flightinfo prophet expressing his opinion, and passing it off as fact.

Please point out what I have passed off as fact that is not and I will correct that.

 

[Andy Neill]

Andy,
Miss ya man. What are you up to now? If not in this industry what then?

I'm investing full time now. I maintain diverse interests including a featured role in Ray Cooney's It Runs In The Family as Dr Hubert Bonney in community theater next January. Enjoying life and financial freedom. [Thanks Utah Pilot].

....and you?