If everyone hates their airline why not quit

[OI812]

i come on here often trying to find soom good info, but all i get is this place sux, they screw us over here, i work to hard.

i get the feeling these people havent worked a real day in there life. what did you expect you are low man suck it up.

if its that bad why ya doing it.

im not trying to really get a fight going but im curious why if ya dont like it do ya stay.

lets try to get back to what is forum is for and thats useful info not a place to cry. if ya need to cry go home to mom

 

[RichardRambone]

I think its a valuable resource, even if bitchin is the norm. I think your pilots license requires you to bitch and moan. Anyway I would defenetely be going to the regionals if not for this forum but since its discovery Im not so sure anymore what to do. But I do agree that hard work is subjective, especially 4 us Americans.

 

[Mongolikecandy]

i come on here often trying to find soom good info, but all i get is this place sux, they screw us over here, i work to hard.

i get the feeling these people havent worked a real day in there life. what did you expect you are low man suck it up.

if its that bad why ya doing it.

im not trying to really get a fight going but im curious why if ya dont like it do ya stay.

lets try to get back to what is forum is for and thats useful info not a place to cry. if ya need to cry go home to mom

Wait until you get hired.

 

[threegreen]

i come on here often trying to find soom good info, but all i get is this place sux, they screw us over here, i work to hard.

i get the feeling these people havent worked a real day in there life. what did you expect you are low man suck it up.

if its that bad why ya doing it.

im not trying to really get a fight going but im curious why if ya dont like it do ya stay.

lets try to get back to what is forum is for and thats useful info not a place to cry. if ya need to cry go home to mom

How old are you?

 

[OI812]

ok here is a little history im 35 did 9 years infantry US army, first flight july 2001. start training at TSA IN feb

 

[The Drizzle]

I love my job. What other job could I do that would allow me to steal money from a panhandler and not feel bad about it?

 

[Beechnut]

No kidding. Big words from the kid on the outside looking in. My sched next month ends with 2 off, 4 on, 2 off, 4 on, 2 off, 4 on. Getting to and from work happens on my day off. That means I don't get a complete day off for the last 2/3rds of JAN.

Don't open your crack until you know what you're talking about.

S.

 

[Beechnut]

And now that I see you're going to work for TSA, you really are in for a treat! Just you wait and you'll see.....

S.

 

[OI812]

No kidding. Big words from the kid on the outside looking in. My sched next month ends with 2 off, 4 on, 2 off, 4 on, 2 off, 4 on. Getting to and from work happens on my day off. That means I don't get a complete day off for the last 2/3rds of JAN.

Don't open your crack until you know what you're talking about.

S.

let me tell ya what a tough schedule is: when i was in Haiti for 1 1/2 months my schedule was 5hr on 5hrs off then 4 on 4 off then 3 on 3 off, then start over 5 on 5 off, 4 on 4 off 3 on 3 off everyday for 45 days you know nothing of hard schedule

that was just the first 45 days i was there 6 months through x mas but i did get a 2 hour dinner that day

 

[Simon Says]

ok here is a little history im 35 did 9 years infantry US army, first flight july 2001. start training at TSA IN feb

After a year of TSA then come back and ask why we complain.

 

[DetoXJ]

No kidding. Big words from the kid on the outside looking in. My sched next month ends with 2 off, 4 on, 2 off, 4 on, 2 off, 4 on. Getting to and from work happens on my day off. That means I don't get a complete day off for the last 2/3rds of JAN.

Don't open your crack until you know what you're talking about.

S.

Boo Friggin Hoo. I suppose your company is forcing you to commute. You make your choices so if your not happy with it go complain to someone who gives a rats a$$.

 

[Beechnut]

Ah... if were that easy to move every year for my company.

Glad it is working out for you.

S.

 

[Beechnut]

let me tell ya what a tough schedule is: when i was in Haiti for 1 1/2 months my schedule was 5hr on 5hrs off then 4 on 4 off then 3 on 3 off, then start over 5 on 5 off, 4 on 4 off 3 on 3 off everyday for 45 days you know nothing of hard schedule

that was just the first 45 days i was there 6 months through x mas but i did get a 2 hour dinner that day

What airline was that for?

S.

 

[OI812]

Boo Friggin Hoo. I suppose your company is forcing you to commute. You make your choices so if your not happy with it go complain to someone who gives a rats a$$.

first off u choose to commute i doubt anyone is forced. i will bet everything i have that your company never said you cant move to your city domicile. so dont tell me they force you to commute

and second i was just giving an example of a tough schedule. what you have is nothing

 

[SkyBoy1981]

let me tell ya what a tough schedule is: when i was in Haiti for 1 1/2 months my schedule was 5hr on 5hrs off then 4 on 4 off then 3 on 3 off, then start over 5 on 5 off, 4 on 4 off 3 on 3 off everyday for 45 days you know nothing of hard schedule

that was just the first 45 days i was there 6 months through x mas but i did get a 2 hour dinner that day

...and what does that have to do with the schedule that should be expected at an airline job? Are you saying that all companies that give their employees crappy schedules should be acceptable as long as it is better than you had it in the Army?

 

[OI812]

What airline was that for?

S.

Wasnt an airline i was in the Army

 

[DirkkDiggler]

This job is just like every other job on the planet. You get out of it what you're willing to get out of it. If you have a good attitude and you're willing to conceed that for at least 4 days a week you're at the mercy of the scheduling department then you'll be fine. If you're getting into this career because you love flying, just remember that attitude and don't ever let it leave you. If you find a flying job that isn't providing you the lifestyle you're looking for, go find another flying job that is more conducive to your schedule. Beechnut is upset because he's at AWAC and he's been forced to commute because all our domiciles closed in the last couple months. It really sucks for him and guys like him, but in the end that's what the company needs to do to survive and if it becomes unbearable, I wish him and everyone else the best of luck finding a job that they will be happy in and feel more appreciated. Keep in mind also that the loudest b!tchers are the ones who post stuff on here. The majority of pilots at AWAC and most other companies (I would guess) don't even bother coming to websites like this one. I think less than half the pilots at AWAC even use the AWAC pilots wesite. So keep that in mind when you're having second thoughts about this career based on this website. It's a very biased group you are listening to. I like to provide the opposite perspective when I can, and I know I'm in the minority, here at least.

 

[OI812]

This job is just like every other job on the planet. You get out of it what you're willing to get out of it. If you have a good attitude and you're willing to conceed that for at least 4 days a week you're at the mercy of the scheduling department then you'll be fine. If you're getting into this career because you love flying, just remember that attitude and don't ever let it leave you. If you find a flying job that isn't providing you the lifestyle you're looking for, go find another flying job that is more conducive to your schedule. Beechnut is upset because he's at AWAC and he's been forced to commute because all our domiciles closed in the last couple months. It really sucks for him and guys like him, but in the end that's what the company needs to do to survive and if it becomes unbearable, I wish him and everyone else the best of luck finding a job that they will be happy in and feel more appreciated. Keep in mind also that the loudest b!tchers are the ones who post stuff on here. The majority of pilots at AWAC and most other companies (I would guess) don't even bother coming to websites like this one. I think less than half the pilots at AWAC even use the AWAC pilots wesite. So keep that in mind when you're having second thoughts about this career based on this website. It's a very biased group you are listening to. I like to provide the opposite perspective when I can, and I know I'm in the minority, here at least.

Thank you

 

[Beechnut]

Wasnt an airline i was in the Army

What the F* do I care what you did in the Army? If we're going to compare apples to oranges, let me tell you about my first 9 months in the womb without even a G**Damn I-pod.

You sound like one of those guys that will take it in the A** for the company because you'll think "we'll jeez, at least I'm not getting shot at."

You have not spent ONE DAY on the line at an airline yet. You have NO idea what you are talking about.

S.

 

[SkyBoy1981]

What the F* do I care what you did in the Army? If we're going to compare apples to oranges, let me tell you about my first 9 months in the womb without even a G**dang I-pod.

You sound like one of those guys that will take it in the A** for the company because you'll think "we'll jeez, at least I'm not getting shot at."

You have not spent ONE DAY on the line at an airline yet. You have NO idea what you are talking about.

S.

Nice post, I think that pretty much covers it.

 

[Beechnut]

Ya, this place is therapy and entertainment. I hear I'm better about the bitching than many from Denver. I try not to do it at work too much, just on these boards. It's no fun sitting next to a whiner for 4 days.

S.

 

[pipejockey]

ok here is a little history im 35 did 9 years infantry US army, first flight july 2001. start training at TSA IN feb

OI812, I mean no offense, but I have to ask you a question. It appears your first flight was at 31 years of age, and at 35 you will start at TSA. You will spend 3 to 5 years before upgrading, many variables involved in that, so you might be 40 before becoming captain. Then you spend 2 years getting the minimum PIC time needed to get to an airline where you can make some semblance of a living...maybe!! Most people who have the competitive qualifications will NOT be hired at the majors. There are far too few jobs at the majors now for everyone at the regionals who have the competitive mins. Unlike 10 years ago when the regionals were maybe 10% of airline capacity, now they are maybe 30-40 and I feel will be 50% soon with all the 70 seaters and 100 seaters going to the regionals.

OK OK, my question is WHY!!!!! You will most likely be hard pressed to break 35K a year until you're 40, then a whopping 60 to 65 K as a captain where you will most likely be for the rest of your career. Again no offense, but I feel it's the drive from people like yourself who so badly want to fly a jet you will do so for so little it makes the career unviable for people like me.

Look, I was like you. I would give anything to be a pilot. Well it aint all that. You are treated like crap!! You are somebody to fill a seat, no more no less. Your employer does not care who fills the seat as long as it is filled and they will use every excuse in the book to keep you from earning a fair wage and flying a fair schedule. They will say look, we have thousands of wannabe's who will take your job for a fraction of what we pay you, so why should we give you a raise or more time off? They will pull out a resume to show you...oh look, it is from OI812, look, look, he will do your job for less, he is a good man!! And management will proceed to tell you to suck it up!! You get my point?

Oh and I hope you enjoy working for Hulia, he is a fine man. A scholar and a gentleman!

 

[DirkkDiggler]

Ya, this place is therapy and entertainment. I hear I'm better about the bitching than many from Denver. I try not to do it at work too much, just on these boards. It's no fun sitting next to a whiner for 4 days.

S.

Nut,

Props to keeping it out of the cockpit. This board is a lot of fun. Especially when you get to piss so many people off all the time. Maybe we'll get to fly together sometime. Although we dissagree on many things (at least as posted here) I'm sure we'd have fun over a few beers. Keeping the cockpit fun though is important and I for one thank you for your attitude in this respect.

 

[OI812]

What the F* do I care what you did in the Army? If we're going to compare apples to oranges, let me tell you about my first 9 months in the womb without even a G**dang I-pod.

You sound like one of those guys that will take it in the A** for the company because you'll think "we'll jeez, at least I'm not getting shot at."

You have not spent ONE DAY on the line at an airline yet. You have NO idea what you are talking about.

S.

its sad you really have no idea what the world is like what are ya some 25 year old kid mom dad gave ya everything never really worked

i had a few of you in my squad fun times

 

[OI812]

OI812, I mean no offense, but I have to ask you a question. It appears your first flight was at 31 years of age, and at 35 you will start at TSA. You will spend 3 to 5 years before upgrading, many variables involved in that, so you might be 40 before becoming captain. Then you spend 2 years getting the minimum PIC time needed to get to an airline where you can make some semblance of a living...maybe!! Most people who have the competitive qualifications will NOT be hired at the majors. There are far too few jobs at the majors now for everyone at the regionals who have the competitive mins. Unlike 10 years ago when the regionals were maybe 10% of airline capacity, now they are maybe 30-40 and I feel will be 50% soon with all the 70 seaters and 100 seaters going to the regionals.

OK OK, my question is WHY!!!!! You will most likely be hard pressed to break 35K a year until you're 40, then a whopping 60 to 65 K as a captain where you will most likely be for the rest of your career. Again no offense, but I feel it's the drive from people like yourself who so badly want to fly a jet you will do so for so little it makes the career unviable for people like me.

Look, I was like you. I would give anything to be a pilot. Well it aint all that. You are treated like crap!! You are somebody to fill a seat, no more no less. Your employer does not care who fills the seat as long as it is filled and they will use every excuse in the book to keep you from earning a fair wage and flying a fair schedule. They will say look, we have thousands of wannabe's who will take your job for a fraction of what we pay you, so why should we give you a raise or more time off? They will pull out a resume to show you...oh look, it is from OI812, look, look, he will do your job for less, he is a good man!! And management will proceed to tell you to suck it up!! You get my point?

Oh and I hope you enjoy working for Hulia, he is a fine man. A scholar and a gentleman!

I agree im lucky to make anything by 40 but i like what i do that adds up

and no offense taken but why should me doing what i like effect you im not willing to work for nothing and get screwed my original questions was if ya dont like it why do ya do it

 

[Beechnut]

its sad you really have no idea what the world is like what are ya some 25 year old kid mom dad gave ya everything never really worked

i had a few of you in my squad fun times

Yes, yes I am. What else you do you have? Flown a trip yet? No?

How you gonna feed a family on that first year TSA pay?

It's ON!

S!

 

[DirkkDiggler]

OI812,

These guys just have fun pissing on people so ignore them. I for one thank you for serving our great country before persuing the career so many of us were fortunate (or unfortunate if you want to look at it from pipejockey's point of view) to begin right after college or high school. I was in the Air Force and I can tell you that everyone's idea of a bad day is relative to the life they've had. You will think this is the easiest cake walk of a job ever after the Army (and no doubt war). The real reason these guys who b!tch so much don't leave is because they enjoy it too much. Though they'll never admit it to you or anyone else!

 

[YourPilotFriend]

Obviously, you do not know that management hates pilots. They make you know this fact day in and day out. Your looking from the outside in at something you don't truely understand; It's not your fault. Being an airline pilot is about coporate politics, gambling with your career, avoiding furloughs, dealing with managemnet, living in poverty, the list goes on and on. Flying is probably the smallest part of this career, and thats a lot to deal with in itself. I was once like you, and never understood why people being paid to fly would complain. However, if we could go to work and just do our jobs and get paid a decent wage that we deserve, there would be a lot less complaining.

So come on in new regional pilot, we have a shiny new jet for you to fly. The last guy was making $150000 to fly that many people, but I heard you'll take $17000, thank you. Oh don't forget to show your uniform to all the girls, make sure you tell them you make what the last guy made, $17000 is a little embarassing. You don't want to tell them the truth, that you make less than a Mcdonalds worker for flying an airplane, and you can only see them a few times a week. But look you have so much to offer, you are a pilot, that must count for something.

 

[pipejockey]

Oh and yes, thank you for you service OI812, sincerely.

Now you say you like what you do, get back to me in a few years. And Dirkk, you are right I do enjoy flying a 727 around the sky. Few can experience it, but I am seeing that in the post 9-11 era I will not be able to make a living in this profession. Taking care of my family and financial obligations are not being met. There was a future at the majors when I got started in this in the late 90's. It is now all gone! Unless you want to spend your career at the regionals, there is no future at the majors. I would venture to guess that only 10% of pilots who seek the majors will actually be hired there. And I cannot survive at regional pay scales.

 

[SkyBoy1981]

its sad you really have no idea what the world is like what are ya some 25 year old kid mom dad gave ya everything never really worked

i had a few of you in my squad fun times

How many sentences is that? :erm: