I thought riding on airline could not get any worse

[Rez O. Lewshun]

That is the new point.... [since the old point that airlines are part of the frac biz model]. since the frac guys are above it and elitist to airline flying... then don't do it....

Just call your company up and say.... "I don't airline anymore...." (use the snooty tone of voice....)

Still waiting on the numbers..... anyone?

 

[EatSleepFly]

Still waiting on the numbers..... anyone?

Maybe I missed it somewhere in the preceding 14 ridiculous pages, but why exactly is it that fractional pilots need to justify our existence to you?

Do you start crap with all of your paying customers who complain about riding on your late, stinky, slow, crowded airplanes?

I really don't understand why you keep coming back to this thread (although it is entertaining).

 

[Fozzy]

Do you start crap with all of your paying customers who complain about riding on your late, stinky, slow, crowded airplanes?

Have you meet some of the gate agents and flight attendants. I can assure you that answer is yes.

 

[RTRHD]

Maybe I missed it somewhere in the preceding 14 ridiculous pages, but why exactly is it that fractional pilots need to justify our existence to you?

Do you start crap with all of your paying customers who complain about riding on your late, stinky, slow, crowded airplanes?

I really don't understand why you keep coming back to this thread (although it is entertaining).

When I started this thread I had no idea it would never die. So maybe there is a problem with the airline model Huh??? We are pilots and can take constructive criticism right?

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

If the airlines are so bad, and Frac pilots, the biz model so much better, then why do you ride the airlines?

Just say no. For your next tour.... just tell your company no airlining....

Why not start a grassroots movement... you can tell yourselves that you are the elitist that you serve....

 

[gunfyter]

Rez,

We fly as pax on airlines because we have to ... not because we want to.

Are you trying to say airlining doesn't suck?

That said... I am looking into buying airline stocks. I believe airline stocks will rally after the oil bubble bursts and fuel prices go down about 50% of what they are now. But I have to pick stocks of companies that will survive until then.

 

[FLYLOW22]

Please provide a cost analysis of the Fracs using and not using the airlines in dollars per year...

No.


....

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Actually, I think most Frac guys are great... there seems to be a few whiners, cry babies and elitists, but they are in every bunch... looks like the frac guys are no different...

The NJA guys have a great contract and many guys have gone there simply for the money, work rules etc... Most guys dream of being airline pilots but that career is dead and the fracs provide a great alternative....

But it seems that the great NJA contract has gone to the heads of a small few.... just like it did in the airline pilots in late 90's....

I still recognize frac guys as my fellow pilots when they airline.... I am sure a small few think they better... but they don't speak for all of the frac guys..

 

[FLYLOW22]

If the airlines are so bad, and Frac pilots, the biz model so much better, then why do you ride the airlines?

Just say no. For your next tour.... just tell your company no airlining....

Why not start a grassroots movement... you can tell yourselves that you are the elitist that you serve....

Riding on an airliner is NOT a bad thing.

The "customer service" received while onboard as a paying passenger is what is being objected to here.

As far as being an elitist? Not even close. We call a spade a spade. 121 service just sucks.

 

[fischman]

If the airlines are so bad, and Frac pilots, the biz model so much better, then why do you ride the airlines?

Just say no. For your next tour.... just tell your company no airlining....

Why not start a grassroots movement... you can tell yourselves that you are the elitist that you serve....

Actually, I did that last tour. I decided to drive home. You know what? When I got home my back didn't hurt, I got home sooner, I was in a good mood, and my bag made it with me. (Oh yeah, it was cheaper for the company too. They didn't complain 1 second).

 

[RTRHD]

If the airlines are so bad, and Frac pilots, the biz model so much better, then why do you ride the airlines?

Just say no. For your next tour.... just tell your company no airlining....

Why not start a grassroots movement... you can tell yourselves that you are the elitist that you serve....

Hey Rez
I no nothing about biz models. In fact I don't care, I just want all pilots to do well and if I have a pax bad mouth me believe me people listen. Any elitist frac guys want to chime in on that?

 

[CA1900]

Have you meet some of the gate agents and flight attendants. I can assure you that answer is yes.

I remember jumpseating on American Eagle a few years back out of BOS. This gate agent is sitting at her podium by the door, barking information at the passengers about the delays. They're standing by her little podium trying to ask questions, and she was not the slightest bit interested in helping. She actually screamed into the PA, "Everyone back away from my podium!"


Two days later, I come back through BOS, and see the same girl (with the same caustic attitude) working the gate podium again. But there's a difference: She built herself several feet of buffer zone, all around her podium, with a bunch of Tensabarriers! She made sure those icky customers wouldn't get anywhere near her to bother her.

It was surreal...

 

[netjetwife]

Just wait until you see what's coming next.

She'll have a special alarm installed that will go off if the pesky customers get too close...

Step away from the podium...Step away from the podium...

 

[Fozzy]

AMost guys dream of being airline pilots but that career is dead and the fracs provide a great alternative....

Correction, most guys dream of professional pay, respect, safety and QOL.
Sounds like you have BSJS.

 

[DAS at 10/250]

Line Pilot: You want answers?
Frac Pilot: I think I'm entitled to them.
Line Pilot: You want answers?
Frac Pilot: I want the truth!

Line Pilot: You can't handle the truth! Son, we live in a world that has Air Lines. And those Air Lines have to flown by Line Pilots. Who's gonna do it? You, CS guy? You, Mr. NJA guy? I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep in the middle seat and you curse the Air Lines. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know: that the middle seat, while tragic, probably generates revenue. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, drives revenue...You don't want the truth. Because deep down, in places you don't talk about at HPN and TEB, you want me on that Airliner. You need me on that Airliner.
We use words like gate checked bags, $5 snack boxes, oversold seats...we use these words as the backbone to a life spent wondering why we're here. You use 'em as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a Frac pilot who works and sleeps in the middle seat of the very Air Liner I fly, then questions the manner in which I provide it! I'd rather you just said thank you and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you fluff your pillow and go back to sleep. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you're entitled to!
Frac Pilot: Did you switch us to the middle seat?
Line Pilot: (quietly) I did the job you sent me to do.
Frac Pilot: Did you switch to the middle seat?
Line Pilot: You're goddamn right I did!!

Thanks REZ!! That was some funny stuff!:laugh: