Hypocrisy at its finest

[Bdfg1]

Random quotes from our favorite non-credible poster Ty_Webb:

"I really have to wonder at how someone develops such a deep-seated anger toward someone they never met"-03/30/2004
"In all of your posts on this board, I have yet to read one that is insightful, informative, or entertaining"-04/05/2004

"Seriously, if you believe that, you are even stupider than I gave you credit for."-03/16/2004

"He's been on this board for 7 months, and I don't think he has said one intelligent thing- and I mean not a one."-04/06/2004

"Lighten up, Francis."-07/14/2004

"Lowecur is a tedious putz"-11/20/2004

"All hail Powderfinger, our new Village Idiot."-12/16/2004

"I'll give you about 30 minutes to delete this crap, or I will ask Mark (Webmaster) to ban your IP address from the site."-01/11/2005

"Get a job. Buy a dictionary. . . . and some therapy for your homosexual panic disorder."-01/11/2005

"you're kind of an ignoramus, aren't ya?"-07/25/2005

"Boy, you guys are quick to convict."-06/21/2004
"I sat next to a NWA DC9 FO on a crew van last year that was so ugly, I couldnt decide if it had started out as a man, or if it was just the ugliest woman I had ever seen in polyester . . . . I exaggerate not."-08/31/2004

"That's great. The world needs ditch-diggers, too."-12/17/2004

"Then what would you say about someone who pays $20,000. to sit in the right seat of a B1900 and play airline pilot? Even stupider?"-12/03/2004

"people I see who don't tip are the ones with a complete lack of class, and it's pretty apparent you fall in that category"-07/26/2005

"Sure, I could make a lot more money at some other carriers, but money isn't everything."-06/05/2004
"what I would do if I were you is make as much money as you can"-03/21/2005

"I am NOT patting myself on the back, far from it."-09/23/2004

"I have been here three years and am in the left seat of a brand-new B737-700."-12/18/2004

"I've been on this board for over 7 years, pal."-01/10/2005(as a side note his join date is Dec. 2001)

"I make over $100,000 a year"-07/24/2005

 

[91100 100 set]

I don't know either one of you, but I must question the time and effort involved in amassing such a list of quotes. Must have been alot of cutting and pasting.

 

[Dangerkitty]

Looks like someone needs to get a dictionary and look up the definition of Hypocrisy.

Not one of those statements demonstrated any sort of Hypocrisy in any shape, matter, or form.

If you don't like what Ty posts then fine. Argue with him all you want. But this thread that YOU posted makes you look like an idiot and a douche. I am guessing Massingale.

 

[RJones]

Well, I think these two quotes are somewhat hypocritical.

"I am NOT patting myself on the back, far from it."-09/23/2004

and…

"I have been here three years and am in the left seat of a brand-new B737-700."-12/18/2004

Humm, sounds like he’s patting himself on the back for getting to the left seat of that B737-700. Now, if it was an old -200 series 73 then maybe a different story.

 

[Birddog]

I don't always agree with Ty, but have not found him to be hypocritical. I admire his incisive wit, even if he is occasionally wrong. As to his joining date for the board, this board has gone through several different formats. The current one required everyone to re-register. I have been lurking around the board for close to 7 years as well, although my joining date would not reflect it. With only 8 posts, you haven't given us much material to work with, but given enough time, I am sure you will post something which will result in the attention you so desperately crave.

 

[Dangerkitty]

Well, I think these two quotes are somewhat hypocritical.

"I am NOT patting myself on the back, far from it."-09/23/2004

and…

"I have been here three years and am in the left seat of a brand-new B737-700."-12/18/2004

Humm, sounds like he’s patting himself on the back for getting to the left seat of that B737-700. Now, if it was an old -200 series 73 then maybe a different story.

That is far from hypocrisy. Airtran flies B-737-700's and he upgraded to B-737-700 in 3 years. From what I can see Ty has posted a true statement.
I dont think the patting of the back statement and the upgrade statement have anything in common. Nor are the hypocritical.

I was hired at AA when I was 27 years old. I am not patting myself on the back either. Is that a hypocrtical statement if it is the truth?

 

[bestpilot]

"Boy, you guys are quick to convict."-06/21/2004
"I sat next to a NWA DC9 FO on a crew van last year that was so ugly, I couldnt decide if it had started out as a man, or if it was just the ugliest woman I had ever seen in polyester . . . . I exaggerate not."-08/31/2004



Duuuuude, you gots a piece a dat too? Ty Guy, my brother from another mother, I gots me somma dat too when I was doin' sum time in Minnie. I had me so many brewskis dat I just had to gimmie some a dat FO. Duuude, I still cant figure out if it was a he or a she, but a little freaking wild thing, yeah, a freaking wild thing in polyester....Yeah, I'd gimmie summa dat again. I tinkin' dat my man Ty got him sum too....Yeah, not knowin if its a he or a she is half da fun, right Ty?

 

[RJones]

Humm, this is the way I viewed it. I’m not patting myself on the back, but I did upgrade to the 737-700 in three years… maybe not.

 

[fletch717]

I know Ty , probably better now since he's been swinging in the crew room in slacks so tight you can tell what religion he is. Anyway most of the time I see him we have a good laugh about this board. He's not an egomaniac, he's very laid back. We were both lucky to arrive at a place where the upgrade time has never been more than 3 years due to our growth. Even though we are going through contract negotiations this is still a goood place to work. I'm sure Ty would agree that we are fortunate to be paid a decent wage to do something we love to do. AirTran may not be the best Place to work, but it is better than the place I was at before and the place before that. We are winners right now just like southwest and JetBlue. The fortunes of business can change in an instant, but right now I'm on a winning team and it feels good. That's why most, if not all the AT guys on this board are upbeat.

 

[Big Beer Belly]

We are winners right now just like southwest and JetBlue. The fortunes of business can change in an instant, but right now I'm on a winning team and it feels good. That's why most, if not all the AT guys on this board are upbeat.

"Winners right now"? I guess I'm not following you. If you mean the 50% decline in quarterly profits last quarter versus last year ... a whopping $11 million ... is that what you are referring to? If fuel increases a nickel a gallon Airtran's barely visible profit disappears. With global oil consumption on the rise (NOT decline!) and US oil refining capacity running at 98.7% ... nearly all oil industry experts are predicting higher prices. Is that what you are touting as being a winner?

Surely you don't equate hiring with being a "winner", do you? Are Airtran pilots "winners" because such a large number of SCABS are employed there? I mean just what exactly is it that makes you feel like you are on a winning team? Surely the lack of progress in your contract talks can't be giving you that "winning" feeling. Wages and schedules at Airtran are not anywhere near industry leading ... so I fail to see where the "winning" connection is made there? In order to "win", you have to be better, not just "participate" in the same industry.

Are you getting paid to fly airplanes? Yes. But Airtran's pay is based on the smallest aircraft that qualifies for the majors. Definitely not a "winner" in the major earnings bracket. Furthermore, by all early indications, Airtran management does not appear likely to reward you with pay increases as would be expected for a "winning" team. International flying? Oops ... not a "winner" there ... unless you consider a few destinations south as the sum total of your "international" network.

Not too long ago, a single airplane crash nearly resulted in this company's liquidation. Though not the fault of anyone directly employed by the company, this event was so devastating to the precarious financial standing of the company that a name change was considered crucial to its survival (thus Valujet became Airtran). IMHO, this is illustrative for its financial implications and the very heavy debt load Airtran carries. By any measure, Airtran is heavily leveraged and dependent on an uninterrupted stream of income for its very survival.

While some may argue Airtran is a decent place to work, I fail to see where it hits a home run to become the "winning" ball club. Perhaps someone at Airtran can share with the rest of us why some feel this is the "winning" place to be.

BBB

 

[xanderman]

"Winners right now"? I guess I'm not following you. If you mean the 50% decline in quarterly profits last quarter versus last year ... a whopping $11 million ... is that what you are referring to? If fuel increases a nickel a gallon Airtran's barely visible profit disappears. With global oil consumption on the rise (NOT decline!) and US oil refining capacity running at 98.7% ... nearly all oil industry experts are predicting higher prices. Is that what you are touting as being a winner?

Surely you don't equate hiring with being a "winner", do you? Are Airtran pilots "winners" because such a large number of SCABS are employed there? I mean just what exactly is it that makes you feel like you are on a winning team? Surely the lack of progress in your contract talks can't be giving you that "winning" feeling. Wages and schedules at Airtran are not anywhere near industry leading ... so I fail to see where the "winning" connection is made there? In order to "win", you have to be better, not just "participate" in the same industry.

Are you getting paid to fly airplanes? Yes. But Airtran's pay is based on the smallest aircraft that qualifies for the majors. Definitely not a "winner" in the major earnings bracket. Furthermore, by all early indications, Airtran management does not appear likely to reward you with pay increases as would be expected for a "winning" team. International flying? Oops ... not a "winner" there ... unless you consider a few destinations south as the sum total of your "international" network.

Not too long ago, a single airplane crash nearly resulted in this company's liquidation. Though not the fault of anyone directly employed by the company, this event was so devastating to the precarious financial standing of the company that a name change was considered crucial to its survival (thus Valujet became Airtran). IMHO, this is illustrative for its financial implications and the very heavy debt load Airtran carries. By any measure, Airtran is heavily leveraged and dependent on an uninterrupted stream of income for its very survival.

While some may argue Airtran is a decent place to work, I fail to see where it hits a home run to become the "winning" ball club. Perhaps someone at Airtran can share with the rest of us why some feel this is the "winning" place to be.

BBB

Who is it you work for?

 

[fletch717]

BBB, I think you are a winner when your company is successful. Profit is profit 1 dollar or 100 million dollars. Yes everyone who made money saw a decline in profit from last year due to the high cost of oil. Any airline that can turn a profit in this enviroment is a winner.

About 80 Out of 1200 pilots are former EAL scabs. They are retiring at a rate of about 15-20 a year. As a Captain I never fly with them. They don't affect my life one bit. I really don't understand what your point is. Instead of pointing out the fact we still employ some scabs, I like to say we have hired 300+ furloughed pilots from TWA,USAIR,Midway,ATA,UAL to name a few. But thats me just being positive.

As far as the pay thing goes, If you understand how we get paid. We make a very respectable wage (Me, 6th year capt will earn right at 150,000 plus 10 1/2% to my B fund which is not endanger of disappearing. And 14-17 days off per month) I could care less how big my airplane is. A jet is a jet is a jet, my ego is'nt wrapped up in the number of seats behind me. If I never got another raise, I'm sure somehow I will have a nice life.

As for the schedules, I know " how dare AirTran actually expect me to fly what they are paying me for". I know of no other profession that pays people 100,000 + to not work other than congress.

Not flying international makes you a loser? Don't tell that to Southwest.

I never said AirTran was hitting a home run, I said we are winners for now.

I suppose flying big planes international, losing millions, furloughing pilots while destroying pensions is your idea of a good place to work.

Unless you are with southwest your airline is carrying a monster debt load too. As long as you make a profit it's not a problem. (There I go being positive again)

I'm sure you view someone like me like you do your garbage man, a happy guy who says hello to you in the morning while he's grabbing the garbage. You can't understand why he could be happy, after all he's just the idiot who picks up garbage for 8.00 an HR. You manage to grunt a greeting his way while you climb in you lexus with a vanity plate that says JETJOCK or 767DRVR and bitch because you actually have to work 40 hours this month for your $18,000 dollar paycheck.

If you happen to see us small plane domestic pilots, please sir flip us a quater and tell us one day you will let us shine your shoes, you almighty skygod.

P.S. The only reason I posted my income info was to show that we are not at the poverty level, as some think.

 

[AA717driver]

BBB sounds like a guy from UA, AA, DAL, etc. who can't come to grips with the fact that his company ain't what it used to be and that AirTran is actually a pretty good place to work.

Crazy business, huh?TC

 

[Focus]

I think everyone should pick on TY. He likes this board just as much as the rest of us. We all journey here in our down time to sound out and Ty is one of the guys I have always enjoyed watching post. Hes not always correct nor is anyone else. He seems to be funny from time to time and hes been contributing to this board for some time.

I think one of his most scrutinized post were about da boyz at SWA taxxing to fast. It was great and we all enjoyed it. Ive heard lately that SWA is not allowed to run checklist while taxxing (just a rumor). Perhaps SWA can thank Ty for this. I really dont know.. ( I could be wrong about that but I have noticed that SWA is taxxing slower these days.) Yea, lets pick on Ty.

O' and by the way Ty, I still think the Drones are coming....LOL circa 2002 Cargo will see them within 20 yrs. A good buddy from H.S. (lifelong friend) at the VP level with Boeing in Seattle has confirmed this....I hope its not true. Fly NASTY

 

[RP 04]

Me, 6th year capt will earn right at 150,000

Wow!!

 

[VABB]

About 80 Out of 1200 pilots are former EAL scabs. They are retiring at a rate of about 15-20 a year. As a Captain I never fly with them. They don't affect my life one bit.

Umm,

If those SCABS were not there, you would be sitting 80 numbers higher than you are right now. I would say it has to affect your life a little bit.

 

[AA717driver]

I think everyone should pick on TY. He likes this board just as much as the rest of us. We all journey here in our down time to sound out and Ty is one of the guys I have always enjoyed watching post. Hes not always correct nor is anyone else. He seems to be funny from time to time and hes been contributing to this board for some time.

I think one of his most scrutinized post were about da boyz at SWA taxxing to fast. It was great and we all enjoyed it. Ive heard lately that SWA is not allowed to run checklist while taxxing (just a rumor). Perhaps SWA can thank Ty for this. I really dont know.. ( I could be wrong about that but I have noticed that SWA is taxxing slower these days.) Yea, lets pick on Ty.

O' and by the way Ty, I still think the Drones are coming....LOL circa 2002 Cargo will see them within 20 yrs. A good buddy from H.S. (lifelong friend) at the VP level with Boeing in Seattle has confirmed this....I hope its not true. Fly NASTY

Focus--If you're trying to get Ty to write you a LOR, you're barking up the wrong tree. He only takes cold, hard cash. Small denominations.

I'd love to fly for those EAL SCABS. Two, no, make that three of my very good friends were EAL strikers to the end. I'd love to make the SCABS' lives miserable for a few days. One SCAB I know of (through a former mutual friend) said his reasoning was that "he wants to fly jets". Well, so did I at the time but I didn't scab. He's now driving a gravel truck in Alcoa, TN. And he was a fired striking controller! Go figure.TC

 

[fletch717]

I guess because I don't sit around and count numbers on the seniority list it does'nt bother me. It goes along with the big airplane, international thing that I really don't think about either.

Snake is that you?

 

[exdashdriver]

"BBB, I think you are a winner when your company is successful. Profit is profit 1 dollar or 100 million dollars. Yes everyone who made money saw a decline in profit from last year due to the high cost of oil. Any airline that can turn a profit in this enviroment is a winner.

About 80 Out of 1200 pilots are former EAL scabs. They are retiring at a rate of about 15-20 a year. As a Captain I never fly with them. They don't affect my life one bit. I really don't understand what your point is. Instead of pointing out the fact we still employ some scabs, I like to say we have hired 300+ furloughed pilots from TWA,USAIR,Midway,ATA,UAL to name a few. But thats me just being positive.

As far as the pay thing goes, If you understand how we get paid. We make a very respectable wage (Me, 6th year capt will earn right at 150,000 plus 10 1/2% to my B fund which is not endanger of disappearing. And 14-17 days off per month) I could care less how big my airplane is. A jet is a jet is a jet, my ego is'nt wrapped up in the number of seats behind me. If I never got another raise, I'm sure somehow I will have a nice life.

As for the schedules, I know " how dare AirTran actually expect me to fly what they are paying me for". I know of no other profession that pays people 100,000 + to not work other than congress.

Not flying international makes you a loser? Don't tell that to Southwest.

I never said AirTran was hitting a home run, I said we are winners for now.

I suppose flying big planes international, losing millions, furloughing pilots while destroying pensions is your idea of a good place to work.

Unless you are with southwest your airline is carrying a monster debt load too. As long as you make a profit it's not a problem. (There I go being positive again)

I'm sure you view someone like me like you do your garbage man, a happy guy who says hello to you in the morning while he's grabbing the garbage. You can't understand why he could be happy, after all he's just the idiot who picks up garbage for 8.00 an HR. You manage to grunt a greeting his way while you climb in you lexus with a vanity plate that says JETJOCK or 767DRVR and bitch because you actually have to work 40 hours this month for your $18,000 dollar paycheck.

If you happen to see us small plane domestic pilots, please sir flip us a quater and tell us one day you will let us shine your shoes, you almighty skygod.

P.S. The only reason I posted my income info was to show that we are not at the poverty level, as some think."



Excellent Post!!!!

 

[Spooky 1]

BBB sounds like a guy from UA, AA, DAL, etc. who can't come to grips with the fact that his company ain't what it used to be and that AirTran is actually a pretty good place to work.

Crazy business, huh?TC

I think BBB is a UPS pilot.