Gulfstream getting CoEx Routes?

[Corbon]

Tell me something, why is it when I blast CHQ for being whores to the industry and taking COEX routes I get flamed

Since when are we taking COEX routes now? It's not gonna happen. Us "whores" don't need or want COEX routes. Would somebody let that rumor die please?

That flying is OUR flying. We were owned by CAL, we were promised a flough through to CAL, and we are the ones Screwed by Gordon(lorenzo) Baboon!

Does anyone else hear a violin playing?

 

[eaglefly]

GC = Gulfstream Captain

GF= Gulfstream F/O


GC - O.K., There's the runway right in front of us, a little to the left.

GF - Where ? I don't see it ?

GC - You're drifting downwind, go to the right.

GF - Huh ? I thought you said left ?

GC - No ! Turn the airplane right to get back on centerline.

GF - What's a centerline ?

GC - Now you're a little too far right, go back to the left.

*Pause*

GC - No ! the other left.

GF - I'm trying, but these wing board thingee's don't work as well as the 152's.

GC - Use your feet to push the tail doodad to make it easier.

GF - They were supposed to cover that in class, but I ran out of money. They said you would show me.

GC - Um, well for now just go right.

GC - Thats too much, go back left.

GC - Do you see the runway ? It's only a mile in front of us. You have to get more stabilized.

GF - Hey, I passed my stability test ! They said they wouldn't have accepted my payment if I wasn't stable.

GC - No ! The airplane.

GF - Oh. I'm trying my best.

Etc.,Etc.,.....................



My advice - Gulfstream or Hertz ?


Hertz.

 

[AAflyer]

Are they airline pilots..well.......not exactly...Go Hetz.

AAflyer

 

[bobbysamd]

Gulfstream

300 hrs and he is an FO in a 1900. %^&* why cant I be rich or have a rich daddy to pay for me to be a seat warmer. I have almost 1000 hrs and have been working my way up the hard way and can not get any airline to look at me, and moved here to Fl and can not get a CFI job here as the economy sucks . . . . .
They say there is no such thing as a stupid question but there is such a thing as a stupid place to ask a stupid question.

(emphasis added)

Well said.

Ten years ago I had 4100 hours with 1200 of multi and could not get an airline to look at me. Though, I'm sure, if I had brandished a $10K check I would have had plenty of "airlines" looking at me.

 

[350DRIVER]

The sad thing is that this "punk" seems to take pride in screwing over his fellow aviators. I hope to God that I am one day sitting on an interview board and I get a Gulf Joke applicant... How can one honestly take pride in himself after accomplishing nothing except wasting daddy's money.??

go figure...

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[414Flyer]

It seemed pretty obvious that it was someone trolling.

 

[bobbysamd]

Pride v. selling your soul

. . .. How can one honestly take pride in himself after accomplishing nothing except wasting daddy's money . . . .

Another good comment. That's been one of my prime issues about P-F-T. With enough money, anyone can buy an interview and/or a job. Not anyone can get an interview or get hired. To do even one is a major accompishment.

I guess it boils down to being able to look at oneself in the mirror every morning. That was worth more to me than the "job."

 

[Airline Pilot27]

The Gulfstream Approach Con't

GF: I see the runaway over there

GC: Thats a taxiway you idiot

GF: Oh

GF: Ok now I see it but...
(long pause)

GF: Why is it moving to the left?

GC: You have to put in some crab

GF: Can't afford crab anymore

GC: Correct for Xwind

GF: AAAHHHHH

GC: my airplane

 

[350DRIVER]

If only the paying pax in the back knew "what" was occupying the right seat- l o l

I think "what" is the best deFn for this- I am not sure how else I could refer to that "paying" occupant.

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ps> where is the dunce hat picture ?!

 

[Corbon]

I cant wait for the next time the teamsters (read HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA) or your own managment (shaking my head) screw you over. Then we'll hear the violins. A$$HOLE.

Spoken like a true professional.

 

[jppt2000]

350 Driver, Airline pilot27, Fly Chicago,

You folks are so ignorant, and arrogant.
You have absolutely no idea about the training at 3M.
You are not guaranteed a job, you folks are picking on people who paid their own money to get multi turbine time.
Then you hide behind screen names.
There are 3M pilots at every major airline and fractional.
One clown threatens that he can't wait to give a 3M pilot a hard time if he is on an interview board.
These people made the decision to go a different route than you folks. They definately pay their dues just like everyone else.
3M's safety record speaks for itself.
All you have is anecdotal info.
No proof of what you say.
Co-ex guys voted in ALPA, apparently expecting a better flow through to mainline. If Coex guys should be mad they ought to look to at their union for their predicament.
350 Driver, Alot of those folks you say that are "punks"
wasting Daddy's money were successful business people, switching careers, that earned their money and paid for the chance to get Multi time.
The other major group of pilots have very large loans to pay.
Why not pick on Comair?, ASA, they were PFT.



PS Fly Chicago, wasn't that a PFT too?

Flame on.

 

[pmoffitt]

In my opinion PFT is one thing but "OK we will take your money even if you only have 250hrs and put you in the right seat of a B1900" are two different things. Gulfstream will take anything. Back when ASA, Chicago Express, and Comair were PFT, you at least had to get past an interview first. There is no interview at Gulfstream, send us money and we will send you an internship, which does not mean that you will make the line after the 250 hrs is up. When I was considering this alternative, I asked the recruiter the following question at least 10 times. "How many guys in the class that graduated from simulator\IOE 3 months prior were picked up by mainline Gulfstream(This was around June 1 when I asked the question)". He refused to give me a straight answer and after a little deductive reasoning, I discovered that I would have been in line with about 90 to 120 pilots in front of me for hire after the internship. The recruiter would keep quoting numbers from before 9/11 and the furloughs of we have 15 guys a month go to the majors and we put 18 guys in a class each month. I guess he thought I was stupid or something.

PFT training was a thing from yesterday not for today.

I am now glad I did not chose to go with them for other reasons as well now.

 

[captjim]

Co-ex guys voted in ALPA, apparently expecting a better flow through to mainline. If Coex guys should be mad they ought to look to at their union for their predicament.

No, that is not why ALPA was voted in to CAL/CALEX. We are one MEC, and as such we thought they would be of great help. As someone who works with the union, I can say they are a huge help! The flow-through was not an issue.

As far as other companies flying "COEX" routs, that's a CAL mainline scope issue. We have very little control over what Continental Airlines manegment wants to do.

 

[350DRIVER]

2000-
I am sure their are many good pilots at Gulf- that isn't the issue..
The problem that many have including myself is "how" this program is set up and the whole concept of "renting" out the right seat for a large sum of money. This post was flame from the get go and as you can tell people have strong comments about such a program. The sad thing is that Gulf Joke is saying to alot of operators out there that it is "OK" to rent a seat out and why should they have to HIRE someone when they can profit at someones own expense- that is the PROBLEM I have with this.
I have never paid a dime for a job and I never will, this program is a complete and total embarrassment to the industry and I think that is the bottom line. Eagle Jet Intl. does a very similiar thing and this is also looked down upon and I sure hope that other flight departments do not follow in their backwards footsteps.


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[Airline Pilot27]

JPPT2000
I may be a little arrogant but I am definently NOT ignorant. I have been unfortunate enough to share the skies with Scabstream in the Carribean and the Bahamas. And if make a few jokes at the expense of the GFA scab operation it is only to vent of a little steam as to what I view as a growing cancer on the piloting profession....ahh to hell with it. Lets make all airlines Pay to Fly
This really is a dead subject though fellas