Gulfstream First Officer Program

[B190Captain]

Please stop!! You are hurting my feelings!!

Little do you know as always, I nor my mommy paid 25K for anything.

hahahahahahahaha!!!


Grow up!

 

[BoredToDeath]

Please stop!! You are hurting my feelings!!


hahahahahahahaha!!!


Grow up!

Oh man you got me with that one! Now your just getting boring. Take Care. But before I go and this is on a serious note with no insults added. It is pretty sad that you have no remorse for what you've helped to do to this industry. You don't deserve to be where you are cause you did'nt earn it, your checkbook did.

Hopefully the people you fly will never pay for your mistake.

BTD

 

[B190Captain]

Oh man you got me with that one! Now your just getting boring. Take Care. But before I go and this is on a serious note with no insults added. It is pretty sad that you have no remorse for what you've helped to do to this industry. You don't deserve to be where you are cause you did'nt earn it, your checkbook did.

Hopefully the people you fly will never pay for your mistake.

BTD

You too take care. But let me tell you this, don't tell me what I deserve or not deserve. My checkbook has nor had anything to do with it. So please spare me your whining and petty insults.

We pilots should be pulling together to help each other in this time of crisis and all you do is cry about being more deserving than another. Look in the mirror to see who is the real detrement to the industry is.

I did nothing here but share my views and responded to your false statements. All all you do is attack and insult me. Who is the one that is insecure about who deserves what?

You have shown your true colors on this thread and maybe you should step down from your slot at your company so someone that can make a positive contribution can have a shot.

Fly Safe and Good luck!!

 

[BoredToDeath]

You too take care. But let me tell you this, don't tell me what I deserve or not deserve. My checkbook has nor had anything to do with it. So please spare me your whining and petty insults.

We pilots should be pulling together to help each other in this time of crisis and all you do is cry about being more deserving than another. Look in the mirror to see who is the real detrement to the industry is.

I did nothing here but share my views and responded to your false statements. All all you do is attack and insult me. Who is the one that is insecure about who deserves what?

You have shown your true colors on this thread and maybe you should step down from your slot at your company so someone that can make a positive contribution can have a shot.

Fly Safe and Good luck!!

Ahhh where to start,

1. If your checkbook has had nothing to do with where you are today than my insults were not directed at you. They were directed at the people that bought thier jobs. If you did'nt buy your way into GIA than why are me and you having this conversation?

2. I NEVER said I was more deserving than anyone. Don't twist my words to mean anything else. I simply said that if you paid for your job than you do not deserve to be where you are. I have had and will continue to have a tremendous career. Trust me I'm not jelous of anyone at your company. And I will continue to belive that those pilots that are willing to PFT are a detrement to this industry.

3. I also shared my views but in no way gave false statements, I gave opinion. And once again, yes if you bought your job I think your SCUM. If you did'nt, what can I say, your a good guy. But as of this point the only thing you have said is that, "money has nothing to do with it". Which is kinda "wishey washey". You have'nt actually come out and said either "yes" I bought my job or "no" I did not give GIA money for employement. So which is it? Did you or did'nt you?

4. Yes I agree that I have shown my true colors, "PRIDE", in the fact that I have not had to buy any of the jobs that I've had. And that in of itself, I feel, is a d@mm good positive contribution.

BTD

 

[Pilot877]

Quote:

"We pilots should be pulling together to help each other in this time of crisis and all you do is cry about being more deserving than another. Look in the mirror to see who is the real detrement to the industry is. "


What have the pilots at GIA done to pull together and help out in this time of crisis? Do you have union representation? How do your pay scales compare to other B1900 operators? What have the GIA pilots done to increase their pay and their quality of life?

See, a lot of us perceive GIA not as an airline, but as another flight school where you pay to play. Sure, they fly scheduled service in the colors of their code-share partner, but is there really a pilot group that pulls together to get anything done?

The frustration expressed by Bored to Death is typical of many other members of this board who are proud of the fact that they have earned every hour in their logbooks after flight school by working for it, and have careers at airlines where the pilot groups are going to fight this so-called "race to the bottom".

Getting into a pi$$ing match here defending GIA, while amusing and entertaining, will do nothing to strengthen the industry. Why dont you guys contact ALPA today and come up with a plan to form a real pilot group and have old man Cooper pay you what you are worth?

Fly Safe

 

[B190Captain]

Quote:

"We pilots should be pulling together to help each other in this time of crisis and all you do is cry about being more deserving than another. Look in the mirror to see who is the real detrement to the industry is. "


What have the pilots at GIA done to pull together and help out in this time of crisis? Do you have union representation? How do your pay scales compare to other B1900 operators? What have the GIA pilots done to increase their pay and their quality of life?

See, a lot of us perceive GIA not as an airline, but as another flight school where you pay to play. Sure, they fly scheduled service in the colors of their code-share partner, but is there really a pilot group that pulls together to get anything done?

The frustration expressed by Bored to Death is typical of many other members of this board who are proud of the fact that they have earned every hour in their logbooks after flight school by working for it, and have careers at airlines where the pilot groups are going to fight this so-called "race to the bottom".

Getting into a pi$$ing match here defending GIA, while amusing and entertaining, will do nothing to strengthen the industry. Why dont you guys contact ALPA today and come up with a plan to form a real pilot group and have old man Cooper pay you what you are worth?

Fly Safe

Well, GIA IS an airline. There are Captains and First Officers that are EMPLOYED by GIA and work under a labor contract. Everyone seems to blend the FO program into the airline side. YES there is a real Pilot group here. Who do you think these 250 guys fly with? We DO have First Officers that are part of our Seniority list that eventually upgrade to Captain. They are protected under our Union. Trust me, it was a long tough road to get to where we are now through our actions to organize and demand what we deserve.

Major Airlines that have audited us in the past have praised us in our standards, professionalism and overall commitment for a SAFE airline. I emphasize SAFE because we have an impeccable Safety record with 0 fatalities. The pilot group here works d-a-m-n hard to maintain that excellence and I am proud of it. It irkes me to see another pilot that does not know all the facts bash us because of this PFT issue.

We are a pilot group represented by the IBT (Teamsters) and we have a labor contract in force. We are paid comparably to other 1900 operators and we DO stick together to make our quality of life better. Granted, I do not plan to stay here the rest of my career but it certainly pays my bills and supports my family. My quality of life is pretty good. I am thankful I have a job here in these hard times but I do plan to move on.

I would appreciate a little respect for me and my colleagues because WE are the ones that make this airline work safely. Continental, United and Northwest know that since they have audited us in the past and know first hand how we operate.

Fly Safe!!

 

[BoredToDeath]

Well, GIA IS an airline. There are Captains and First Officers that are EMPLOYED by GIA and work under a labor contract. Everyone seems to blend the FO program into the airline side. YES there is a real Pilot group here. Who do you think these 250 guys fly with? We DO have First Officers that are part of our Seniority list that eventually upgrade to Captain. They are protected under our Union.

Major Airlines that have audited us in the past have praised us in our standards, professionalism and overall commitment for a SAFE airline. I emphasize SAFE because we have an impeccable Safety record with 0 fatalities. The pilot group here works d-a-m-n hard to maintain that excellence and I am proud of it. It irkes me to see another pilot that does not know all the facts bash us because of this PFT issue.

We are a pilot group represented by the IBT (teamsters) and we have a labor contract in force. We are paid comparably to other 1900 operators and we DO stick together to make our quality of life better. Granted, I do not plan to stay here the rest of my career but it certainly pays my bills and supports my family. My quality of life is pretty good. I am thankful I have a job here in these hard times but I do plan to move on.

I would appreciate a little respect for me and my colleagues because WE are the ones that make this airline work safely. Continental, United and Northwest know that since they have audited us in the past and know first hand how we operate.

Fly Safe!!

This is what that sounds like, "We are a real airline!! We are, We are, We really, really are!!!"

Yet you still have yet to answer the question. Did you PUNK OUT AND BUY YOUR JOB?!?!

 

[B190Captain]

I really don't care what it sounds like to you Bored.

Your question does not warrant an answer. Have you been reading what I have been saying all along? You will find your answer there.

 

[BoredToDeath]

Quote:

"We pilots should be pulling together to help each other in this time of crisis and all you do is cry about being more deserving than another. Look in the mirror to see who is the real detrement to the industry is. "


What have the pilots at GIA done to pull together and help out in this time of crisis? Do you have union representation? How do your pay scales compare to other B1900 operators? What have the GIA pilots done to increase their pay and their quality of life?

See, a lot of us perceive GIA not as an airline, but as another flight school where you pay to play. Sure, they fly scheduled service in the colors of their code-share partner, but is there really a pilot group that pulls together to get anything done?

The frustration expressed by Bored to Death is typical of many other members of this board who are proud of the fact that they have earned every hour in their logbooks after flight school by working for it, and have careers at airlines where the pilot groups are going to fight this so-called "race to the bottom".

Getting into a pi$$ing match here defending GIA, while amusing and entertaining, will do nothing to strengthen the industry. Why dont you guys contact ALPA today and come up with a plan to form a real pilot group and have old man Cooper pay you what you are worth?

Fly Safe

Pilot877,

Your right that this match isn't gonna do much to strengthen the industry but like the name says I'm Bored and this is fun. And perhapes some other young clueless pilot will see how wrong it is to buy a job after reading some this and the other threads on this board.

Nice job on the rest of your post it says everything I feel only worded nicer than how I usually put things.

Take Care

BTD

 

[B190Captain]

Seems to me that the only clueless pilot is you Bored.

 

[BoredToDeath]

Seems to me that the only clueless pilot is you Bored.

Oh please enlighten me you all knowing, all powerfull, 1900 check airman.

Your a freakin joke if you can't answer a simple question instead of refering to some Freashman Phyc. babble B.S. ie:"Your question does not warrant an answer. Have you been reading what I have been saying all along? You will find your answer there."

So whats it gonna be? Are you are SCUMBAG or not? Did you get hired at GIA without writing a check or did you sell your soul to the Devil to be an airline pilot, wait I mean Flight School babysitter?

 

[Pilot877]

I would appreciate a little respect for me and my colleagues because WE are the ones that make this airline work safely. Continental, United and Northwest know that since they have audited us in the past and know first hand how we operate.

Well, thanks for sharing that information, I really had no idea that GIA pilots work under a labor contract or have union representation.

Basically, you will find very little respect for GIA around here because none of these guys and gals like the idea that people can walk into GIA and pay for a shortcut to an airline job while they have been busting their butts for years to gain valuable experience for sub-standard wages. Speaking of sub-standard wages, it really irkes me that there are folks out there who dare to call themselves airline pilots and collect paychecks for $8 an hour after they paid $25K for the wonderful title of Paid First Officer. A lot of pilots out there feel that this practice cheapens the industry.

So, while I am happy to hear that your company does have a real pilot group, and I wish you luck on gaining respect in the aviation world, I feel that it will be an uphill battle and that your First Officer program will make your airline the butt of many jokes yet to come.

 

[B190Captain]

Oh please enlighten me you all knowing, all powerfull, 1900 check airman.

Your a freakin joke if you can't answer a simple question instead of refering to some Freashman Phyc. babble B.S. ie:"Your question does not warrant an answer. Have you been reading what I have been saying all along? You will find your answer there."

So whats it gonna be? Are you are SCUMBAG or not? Did you get hired at GIA without writing a check or did you sell your soul to the Devil to be an airline pilot, wait I mean Flight School babysitter?

Flight School Babysitter? That sounds more like a CFI. I don't work for a flight school. But since I feel sorry for your lack of maturity and intelligence, I will spell it out for you.

N-O I did not pay to get hired at GIA.

So please don't make yourself look even more foolish by saying another word.

But above all, FLY SAFE.

 

[B190Captain]

Well, thanks for sharing that information, I really had no idea that GIA pilots work under a labor contract or have union representation.

Basically, you will find very little respect for GIA around here because none of these guys and gals like the idea that people can walk into GIA and pay for a shortcut to an airline job while they have been busting their butts for years to gain valuable experience for sub-standard wages. Speaking of sub-standard wages, it really irkes me that there are folks out there who dare to call themselves airline pilots and collect paychecks for $8 an hour after they paid $25K for the wonderful title of Paid First Officer. A lot of pilots out there feel that this practice cheapens the industry.

So, while I am happy to hear that your company does have a real pilot group, and I wish you luck on gaining respect in the aviation world, I feel that it will be an uphill battle and that your First Officer program will make your airline the butt of many jokes yet to come.

A quest for respect is not my intention. I just stated the facts about a subject others bark about with little or no knowledge used to support what they are saying. At the same time defending my integrity as a pilot with my airline. Sorry if I fail to see anything wrong with that.


Fly Safe!!

 

[BoredToDeath]

Flight School Babysitter? That sounds more like a CFI. I don't work for a flight school. But since I feel sorry for your lack of maturity and intelligence, I will spell it out for you.

N-O I did not pay to get hired at GIA.

So please don't make yourself look even more foolish by saying another word.

But above all, FLY SAFE.

I've seen your operation and if your in the left seat with a PFT SCUMBAG next to ya, then they might as well call you a CFI. Your the one I feel sorry for. As far as maturity and intelligence go, of course you could say that I lack those things when I give an opinion of your operation that is less than favorable. How about if I praised GIA and thought they were WONDERFULL from the begining of this thread? Would I then be as mature and intelligent as you? Or would I be wasting my time endlessly trying to reach so high?

I am however glad that after all that you can come clean an say that you did not buy your job. Your no longer a SCUMBAG. Was it really that hard for you to have said that from the very begining though? If you had I doubt this thread would have gone this far.

 

[wil]

Ever heard the expression, "tarred with the same brush?"

 

[Nindiri]

I have flown with several former GIA FO's at my company, and all of them were professional and competent. That doesn't mean I endorse their PFT program; I think there are better and cheaper ways to build time, but that doesn't mean that the full-time GIA pilots are any less professional than anyone else.

To be blunt, I think that anyone who calls someone else a derogatory name simply because that person chose another route to the airlines than he did is a sad person who tries to blame others for his own career problems. I preferred to build experience by flying corporate until I had enough time to qualify without PFT, but I have no problem with someone who chooses to work his butt off saving his money for a PFT program. No one owes you a job, and the PFTer is not stealing anyone's job.

 

[bobbysamd]

Job theft by P-F-T

No one owes you a job, and the PFTer is not stealing anyone's job.

So, then, what is the PFTer doing when he/she pays Gulfstream $53,994 or a certificated Commercial pilot pays $23,940? I will tell you. He/she is using the power of the checkbook to get a job that ordinarily would be obtained and held by a more experienced pilot. The checkbook enabled this less-experienced person to ace out the better-qualified person.

I agree that no one is owed a job. No one is owed anything. But cutting in line ahead of others by virtue of money is not playing by the rules. Although most of these folks get their 250 hours at Gulfstream and leave, their crew position is still required by the regs. It's still a job. Not only is it wrong to pay for a job, in any business, it is wrong to eliminate others from the same opportunity because they cannot or will not pay for a job. I understand that Gulfstream does not hire FOs off the street and that P-F-T is the only route to an FO "job" there. I also realize that other regionals are non-P-F-T. Just the same, it is still a job.

I never heard of such a thing until I entered aviation. P-F-T is outrageous.

I realize we have traveled this road many, many times before. But this comment had to be addressed.

 

[Pilot877]

Yeah, Bobby, well-said.

Too bad it has to be that way, ya know it sure would be a nice little regional job cruising FL and the Bahamas. Of course, the PFT thing screws that all up.

 

[Nindiri]

Using personal money to gain an advantage in the job market has been around as long as capitalism. The alternative is communism.

I agree with you that PFT is not good, but calling someone else a "scumbag" because they choose to take advantage of it doesn't show much class. People should accept responsibility for their own career instead of trying to blame others.