Got the Rejection Letter from Usairways

[Turtle21]

Bring your pay stub for show and tell, or as USAPA calls it, lie and blame.

You don't have any allergy to tar or feathers, do you?

Read post #69 and wake up already.

 

[Bringupthebird]

rejection email. 8000+TT, 2500+ turbine PIC, sim instructor time. ???

If it's any consolation, the rah, rah guys encouraging folks will enjoy furlough protection that new hires may not. And ironically these recently recalled guys are the ones saying you'll never be furloughed.

Believe them or not.

 

[ackattacker]

How does reserve work nowadays at Airways? Is there long-call? Days off? How much are guys flying?

The good news about reserve is that the schedulers are generally OK to work with so long as you treat them like human beings. 1.5 hour call out is a bit flexible (stuck in traffic etc). They will release you early from reserve if they have good coverage so you can make your commute home, switch your off days around, etc. Pretty quickly you will learn the system and know when you are likely to be called and can judge your commute accordingly. You get a few screw ups before you get in any real trouble.

Long call guys generally get the call early afternoon the day before, when future planning processes all the open time. This makes commuting from almost anywhere feasible although there is always a chance you get called at 10pm for a 7am trip... it's rare. Most people who would call in sick at that point understand the system and wait till inside the 9 hour window so the trip goes to a short call reserve.

The bad news is that if they want to, the contract allows them to abuse you terribly. If you are on short call, they can change your Protected Time (rest time) at a moments notice. They can move your off days around if they want. If you are on long call, they can switch you to short call with 9 hours notice (this does happen).

Short call guys generally don't fly much.

I echo what DorkProp said. Don't listen to the vocal minority of haters. It's a good place to work and likely to get much better.

 

[Turtle21]

If it's any consolation, the rah, rah guys encouraging folks will enjoy furlough protection that new hires may not. And ironically these recently recalled guys are the ones saying you'll never be furloughed.

Believe them or not.

Furlough protection? Really? Anyone who still thinks pilots have thoughts of furlough protection has not been in the industry too long. Are you new or something?

I haven't flown with anyone in years that didn't laugh at talks of furlough protection. The only thing that keeps a person from furlough is guys above them retiring faster than the number of furloughs below them. YMMV.

 

[reepicheep]

Colodny was telling new hires as late as early 1990 they'd be captains in 5 years; they were furloughed for 8. The last group of usair new-hires to enjoy anything like a long-term normal career progression were hired in the Reagan administration. Little boom, big bust; pretty much been the story for a couple decades now.

 

[Carl S.]

Easties love to blame ALPA for their terrible decision making skills. The Union is a body of your own, not some higher command sending down orders, just like the BPR MOU clown shown this past August, you do it to yourselfs every time... Not much bitterness or hate out West, just head shaking at all the lies and misinformation put out by USAPA and vocal fools out East that have no sound legal standing and when we point it out, Easties call us haters...

P.S.- When the dust finally settles on the SLI, I know West pilots will act professional, Easties will go off the rails again and will let it taint their spirit to the core...

 

[Turtle21]

Easties love to blame ALPA ....

Gloating and blaming are two different things.

 

[The Drizzle]

Could you guys take your BS to another related thread? Pretty please? With sugar on top?

 

[frostyboy]

Could you guys take your BS to another related thread? Pretty please? With sugar on top?

Good luck with that!! Every US Airways/America West thread ends up with the same old crap, no matter what the original topic was.

 

[JumpersAway]

Does anybody know the trick to re-applying? I'm one of the unlucky ones that got the rejection email, and I am trying to resubmit my app, but it isn't letting me do this. The system seems to recognize my information and isn't letting me progress with my updated information. Anybody else running into this?

I'm re-applying out of the genuine desire to work for USAirways. I tried in 2007, but didn't make it, of course. If this weren't so important to me, I wouldn't be so persistent. I'm sure this is the case with many others, so can we PLEASE leave the USAPA banter out of this thread, for those of us that wish to use this as a TRUE resource?

 

[charlie2]

Does anybody know the trick to re-applying? I'm one of the unlucky ones that got the rejection email, and I am trying to resubmit my app, but it isn't letting me do this. The system seems to recognize my information and isn't letting me progress with my updated information. Anybody else running into this?

I'm re-applying out of the genuine desire to work for USAirways. I tried in 2007, but didn't make it, of course. If this weren't so important to me, I wouldn't be so persistent. I'm sure this is the case with many others, so can we PLEASE leave the USAPA banter out of this thread, for those of us that wish to use this as a TRUE resource?

I've flown with a captain who is very involved with the hiring. As I understand it (and dissagree with it) they open a "window" and then close it and then a computer evaluates the many fields in that web based data program. I was told by this captain that you can update a resume but can't change the actual application for employment until the next "window" opens again which in his opinion will be maybe in Feb. I wouldn't do it this way but I'm a lowly FO but I do enjoy my job and will like my pay increase with a new contract! Back off Carl.

 

[spudskier]

I've flown with a captain who is very involved with the hiring. As I understand it (and dissagree with it) they open a "window" and then close it and then a computer evaluates the many fields in that web based data program. I was told by this captain that you can update a resume but can't change the actual application for employment until the next "window" opens again which in his opinion will be maybe in Feb. I wouldn't do it this way but I'm a lowly FO but I do enjoy my job and will like my pay increase with a new contract! Back off Carl.

Isn't the window still open though? It says "Until Filled" since 9/26/2012. Or is it an internal window that sifts through resumes that were submitted between #/##/2012-#/##/2012 while applications are still being accepted? Then goes on to the next batch of dates

 

[Flybywire44]

I've flown with a captain who is very involved with the hiring. As I understand it (and dissagree with it) they open a "window" and then close it and then a computer evaluates the many fields in that web based data program. I was told by this captain that you can update a resume but can't change the actual application for employment until the next "window" opens again which in his opinion will be maybe in Feb. I wouldn't do it this way but I'm a lowly FO but I do enjoy my job and will like my pay increase with a new contract! Back off Carl.

"Back off Carl ."

Ha-ha :smash:

 

[Milmil]

The good news about reserve is that the schedulers are generally OK to work with so long as you treat them like human beings. 1.5 hour call out is a bit flexible (stuck in traffic etc).

Actually the 1:30 call out is very flexible. When you are on short call the contract reads you must live within 1:30 normal driving time to the airport. If you are not standing around in your uniform it is very reasonable that from the call to when you make it to the end of B (if you are PHL based) could take easily 2:30 hours. Over that you might have to explain to the Chief Pilot why. I live exactly 1:30 minutes to the employee parking lot so its normal for me to take 2:30. Hope that helps

 

[Bringupthebird]

West is 2 hrs. short, 12hrs long so I can see why USAPA rejects all west input on contract language.