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[netjetwife]

Is that tap dancing I hear? I can only assume why Netjet wife refused to respond to my question. I guess she new the questions that would follow.

Not at all! You guys just type faster than I do. I guess. Tap dancing? Hardly! That suggests evasive maneuvers, not an honest admission to posting before I finished reading the entire post to which I was responding. Likewise, it showed courage to admit to an emotional reaction, given that my gender is already a target of mean-spirited comments by some not as well mannered as yourselves.

 

[piaggiop180]

tap tap tap. Lets try again do you know the salaries of any of the union officials?

 

[netjetwife]

Our idea of Union Reps must differ widely.When I see that term, I think of the NJ Executive Board, the 1108 Stewards (I especially think of one in particular ) and other volunteers like the Pilot to Pilot (P2P) Reps. As the new NJ salaries have been posted previously, you can probably figure it out. If it is something else you're looking for, sorry, I have no idea. It doesn't interest me. That is not my union--these fine pilots are!

 

[piaggiop180]

What a bunch of tap dancing. Are the union dues not going somehere? All of a sudden you have no interest? It is OK for union ofiicials to get fat off of the hard earned wages of pilots? You know exactly what I am asking and we are smart enough to know why you won't answer the question.

What a bunch of crap.

 

[NJA bound]

I don't know what the 1108 union officials get, but I will be glad to keep on paying union dues to 1108, I just got a he11 of a raise because of the union, my salary went from 27,100. to 46,300 as a first year FO at NetJets.

 

[ce750drvr]

tap tap tap. Lets try again do you know the salaries of any of the union officials?

ALL of our union officials, that being the Executive Board, union stewards and P2P reps (I am one of them) are not paid extra. They are elected and volunteer positions. We are paid our year of service salary and nothing more.

 

[piaggiop180]

so ce750drvr what is all that money used for. It is so interesting to me that all of a sudden NetJet wife went away and we have the first year NetJet FO who doubled his salary and the union rep who works for free responding. The teamsters are good real good. Keep up the propaganda parade. Fast responses too a minute apart.

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[NJA bound]

You can't for real, have you seen the new NJA payscale? It's not just the 1st year FO that got the raise, the 11 year Falcon captains got a 120 thousand dollar raise.

You can go to He11 you fricken loser.

 

[piaggiop180]

how long does it take to upgrade to left seat? get used to that right seat you are going to be there for a long, long time. All the while we will be earning more flying left seat. Oh wait can you set the localizer frequency for me

 

[ce750drvr]

so ce750drvr what is all that money used for. It is so interesting to me that all of a sudden NetJet wife went away and we have the first year NetJet FO who doubled his salary and the union rep who works for free responding. The teamsters are good real good. Keep up the propaganda parade. Fast responses too a minute apart.

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What??? That made no sense.

First off, what money? Our new contract? Don't get your question.

Second, maybe netjetwife went to bed.

Third, yes, with the contract, FO's did double up.

Fourth, I am a volunteer, I do not get paid extra. I could care less if you do or do not want a union. Doesn't matter to me. I am not a high pressure union driver bent on getting you to join. My volunteer position just makes me the first point of contact for the regular line pilot. I basically answer questions and point them in the right direction.

Fifth, there isn't any propoganda here. I answered your friggin question. How is that propoganda?

Sixth, unless njabound is sitting next to me (I don't even know the guy), I am a slow typer, so we responded at the same time and he hit submit a minute before me.

Lose the attitude my friend. Like I said, all I did was answer a question you WANTED answered. There is no conspiracy on my part.

 

[NJA bound]

how long does it take to upgrade to left seat? get used to that right seat you are going to be there for a long, long time. All the while we will be earning more flying left seat. Oh wait can you set the localizer frequency for me

That made a whole lot of sense, what is it your Capts. are pulling in right now, 40K last I heard. I am doing better than that right now. Even if it takes 6 years to upgrade, I'll be content making 60K plus flying from the right seat 15 days a month, don't know how you all single pilot plane jockeys do it at Avantair, but the copilots do fly the plane at NetJets.

And once I do get in the left seat my salary will double again, what is it you're making over there again? LOL

 

[netjetwife]

What a bunch of tap dancing. Are the union dues not going somehere? All of a sudden you have no interest? It is OK for union ofiicials to get fat off of the hard earned wages of pilots? You know exactly what I am asking and we are smart enough to know why you won't answer the question.

What a bunch of crap.

EXCUSE ME?! I take back what I said about you having manners! I thought my wifely pride would make it plain to you where my interest lies! I had spelled it out for you quite plainly--my heart is with our L-O-C-A-L! There are some talented, dedicated pilots there working for the good of all NJ families. My family has made huge sacrifices so that my husband can donate time to 1108. I have NO interest in any of the politics involved. I trust the leadership of 1108 because I know many of them. I trust my husband's judgment in the matter. I trust the fact that over 2000 families are better off today than they were last year. If some of their dues went to the Teamsters-so be it! Most of the money remains in the Local and is well accounted for. I discuss the issues with my husband and the human interest side of things. I can assure you that we have heard no complaints, other than your own.

I take pride in my integrity. If I knew the salaries you are asking about, I would post them. I heard that Boisture made 1.2 Million last year. To me that is far more relevant. I know that many NJ pilots worked hard for HIS money. NJ pilots/spouses are wiling to pay their union dues/job security costs and consider it a good investment. I do believe that I know more about the inner workings of 1108 than many others here. They have come far in a short time. Let's give them credit--and a break!

Proud to belong to 1108,
Netjetwife

PS I believe that I have paid my "dues"! Do you wish to question that as well?

 

[netjetwife]

so ce750drvr what is all that money used for. It is so interesting to me that all of a sudden NetJet wife went away and we have the first year NetJet FO who doubled his salary and the union rep who works for free responding. The teamsters are good real good. Keep up the propaganda parade. Fast responses too a minute apart.

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I took the time to make an intelligent post. Had you done likewise, yours would have made more sense. What are you asking?! I thought you were asking about the portion of the dues that 1108 turns over to the Teamsters. I see it as analogous to the money fast food restaurants pay to a franchise rather than go it alone. If you were asking what the NJ pilots make that serve as Volunteers, the answer is - -their salary as a NJ pilot and not a dime more! In fact, many of them, GAVE the Local money to get it on its feet--my family included. Next time you want to ask me a question-ASK IT- -and don't beat around the bush with your insulting insinuations.

 

[angryoneincher]

I couldn't agree more. I know for a fact ss has been working with cm for over a month on salary and benefit increases and there is more to come. My card will gather dust while I wait and see what happens. Let's be vocal next week and see if the new owner responds. I also agree NJ Pilots stay off this site. We will handle this on our own. Sorry that the two pilots were fired but lets be real we all flew with them and they were the two most negative people I have ever meet.

SS has said one more than occasion, " F pilots, they're a dime a dozen." IVE HEARD THAT LINE COME OUT OF HIS MOUTH, NOT JUST ONCE BUT TWO OR THREE TIMES. If disagreeing with that kind of talk makes you negative, then I'm next in line to fired. This salary increase is another typical example of them moving only when they have to prevent a union or a mass exodus.

Didnt want to make this about the two guys that got fired again, but its been noted that CM and TC were strangly absent during this whole thing. Not a single phone call before or after. No words of advice or a friendly phone call to say " You know, we've worked together a long time and here's what being said about you two, can we talk about this?" Thanks, CM, guess we know whose campfire you've decided to stoke. Hope it was and will be worth it for you.

 

[angryoneincher]

Sorry that the two pilots were fired but lets be real we all flew with them and they were the two most negative people I have ever meet.

Oh and one more thing. Since this new pay package was rolled out and promises of more to follow is all of a sudden " in the air " that would mean they know it was deserved. How would these two pilots talking about such issues, if they even were, make them negative? That would only mean they were discussing facts, which in essence mangagement is agreeing to by quickly trying to improve things. I'm glad improvements are being made- but that doesnt mean that events that have already transpired were right. But you have a right to your opinion. Somebody has to defend pilot salaries that are lower than a Burger King manager.