Good bye SL9 Greed- no sir.

[pork]

If Airtran was "one of the top career destinations in the country" then Rosy O'Donnell and Hillary are at the top of most people's fantasy list. Come on, at least keep it real.

 

[cappydd]

what about DOH with no fences, no protections, etc, and wind up wherever your senority will hold? How about fencing the upgrades---swa f/o's get the upgrade when a swa captain retires, AAi f/o's get the upgrade when a AAi captain retires......movement for all?? just an idea.

 

[GuppyWN]

Just an idea. How 'bout we let SWAPA and ALPA figure it out.

Gup

 

[CaptAntoineMack]

what about DOH with no fences, no protections, etc, and wind up wherever your senority will hold? How about fencing the upgrades---swa f/o's get the upgrade when a swa captain retires, AAi f/o's get the upgrade when a AAi captain retires......movement for all?? just an idea.

And the AAI pilots are locked in their pre 9/26 contract. Any raises negotiated by SWA will be given to the Airtran pilots. It will be the new Tranny scale.

Then most everyone should be happy. Right?

 

[huronip]

I've been a silent observer for a while, time to comment on a few things. I am the bottom 737 AT Captain. I may have had a lot to gain and a lot to lose in the rejected SLI Agreement. That being said -from my perspective I feel a there is a huge injustice in what is “not” being said in these message boards.


(what isn't being said -is the AirTran pilots were welcome aboard if we could accept life at SWA as a 2nd class pilot group, “the clean up crew that would work weekends, holidays and bounce from junior base to junior base for over a decade and most likely a lot longer ”)---the point our MEC made with their no vote was that is not acceptable).




To all those who preach greedy AirTran pilots---it's not about the money it's about quality of life.
What is being said is the Airtran pilots are greedy: rejecting a 2 billion $ incentive over $2 million a piece. Fuzzy math by my calculations. In fact in a few short years if I were to be back in the right seat, It would have been a pay loss. I am still a little curious how placing AT pilots on = pay scale with SWA pilots is a sweetner or incentive but that's how SWA and SWAPA are spinning it.


1st let me pointedly say our MEC did not give us the choice to decide. 2nd I think the additional pay would have been nice. However, I am well aware of what my career expectations were on 9/26/10 -I think all Airtran pilots are,.


If you studied SL9 and other supporting documentation in detail-it was plain to see the loopholes. Loopholes skillfully wrapped into the SLI agreement. The loopholes stacked the deck nicely in SWAPA's favor-and simply handing AT pilots a huge seniority loss for the majority. At the end of the day junior captain retention slots would have been negated , ATL fences would have been negated as the base would have been 40% of all AT pilots remaining displced, a lot of the other protections would have been negated. We were being enticed with money we haven't seen before to quickly rollover and sell out our seniority. I personally would have lost 33%, 51% to 84%.


Gentlemen we are not the greedy pilot group many have labeled us.


A fair and equitable integration is what we desire, we do not desire to harm our future coworkers or their careers.


The AirTran pilot group helped build a lean, profitable airline that offers a superior product. We helped build an airline we can be proud of. One that withstood valuation, judging and scrutiny by the high standards of our new owners . We helped build an airline outside of SWA,FEDEX or UPS that became a top career destination in the industry. We know how to be efficient and are thus competitive, we are a hard working group of professional aviators that do not appreciate being looked down upon. (I think that was partly the point of the MEC vote).


If we end up integrating, I look forward working with all of you in the future.


I personally hope we can put this together quickly and peaceably so we can go out and beat up on our competitors in a down economy like usual! “Together” It may take more giving from both parties.

Regards, Eric Hull

If you're so concerned about QOL then why did you even upgrade?? Because of money. Your going to be working weekends and holdiays for years no matter what the outcome. I can't believe you put your name on this.

Let's face it Eric you're a greedy pilot. If not you would be a top FO with great QOL right now. I don't think anyone feels sorry for you except yourself.

 

[On Your Six]

If Airtran was "one of the top career destinations in the country" then Rosy O'Donnell and Hillary are at the top of most people's fantasy list. Come on, at least keep it real.

PLEASE use that as opening lines for possible upcoming arbitration. That would be classic!


OYS

 

[On Your Six]

And the AAI pilots are locked in their pre 9/26 contract. Any raises negotiated by SWA will be given to the Airtran pilots. It will be the new Tranny scale.

Then most everyone should be happy. Right?

So, you don't care about a B-scale? The arbitration will yield a list, and then you will have a two tier system, a punative system. Congrats on that.


OYS

 

[ephull]

If you're so concerned about QOL then why did you even upgrade?? Because of money. Your going to be working weekends and holdiays for years no matter what the outcome. I can't believe you put your name on this.

Let's face it Eric you're a greedy pilot. If not you would be a top FO with great QOL right now. I don't think anyone feels sorry for you except yourself.

Bud you can twist words I will give you that.
I am a humble pilot if anything, I posted simply because I feel the "greedy" AirTran pilot spin needed to be debunked. Sure I upgraded for 1)money who wouldn't and 2) I like the Captain seat.
I'm reserve in Milwaukee and honestly life there so far has been better than my senior Fo lines, minus the weekends off. I don't seek sympathy nor do I feel sorry for myself. However, the SL9 was about placing AT pilots as 2nd class citizens for at least a decade and most likely a lot longer. At the end of the day we didnt get to vote on it and I am disaapointed. Read my post- the 1st 1 on this thread and see if you really think Im about greed.

 

[CaptAntoineMack]

So, you don't care about a B-scale? The arbitration will yield a list, and then you will have a two tier system, a punative system. Congrats on that.


OYS

Its not my decision. It is AAI's. Somehow this must benefit SWA pilots as well as AAI pilots. Fair and Equitable. Right?

SWA is not the bad guy here. I have worked here 18 years and the other airlines have always loved to demonize us for our success. While others have furloughed and taken huge pay and benefit cuts, SWA has grown and increased pay and benefits. I know how it is. I use to be one of those envious pilots. Now I am not.

 

[waveflyer]

Eric-
How do you solve the age issue? Do you think Swapa pilots projected to retire #200, retiring #700 is fair to them? Even SL9 put 300 younger trannies above me... The #'s are there- both sides have them... How do you reconcile AT's short term issues with our long term one's?

There's also the argument that SWA took years longer to get on with ON AVERAGE than AT does. A ridiculous # of pilots here have had your exact interview experience. But they got the type and interviewed 1-2 more times. Do you think the company is going to disrespect their commitment by integrating remotely evenly?
How do you tackle the argument that these were not equal jobs and capitalism should have some benefits to the purchaser?