Good bye SL9 Greed- no sir.

[Kharma Police]

Gary does have something to fear, and it has nothing to do with arbitration. He is scared ALPA (along with your vocal minority), might poison the well. This is reguardless of how arbitration ends up. I think if this had been sent to a vote and you guys turned it down then his tone would be different. The fact that ALPA $hi% canned this thing without member input (all of you), has him worried. It worries him beyond arbitration, I think he might have realized that your minority might be strong enough to poison the well beyond his expectations.

Nah, they are all good guys for the most part. Just look at our performance numbers during the worst of times, always in the top range, always professional even in the face of a management that hated us. You just have to promise you won't get jealous when Dad recognizes how good we are.

 

[puddlejumper101]

Nah, they are all good guys for the most part. Just look at our performance numbers during the worst of times, always in the top range, always professional even in the face of a management that hated us. You just have to promise you won't get jealous when Dad recognizes how good we are.

You don't have to tell me that, I know many of you guys. A bunch of us played for the other airline in concourse C before we respectively joined AT and SWA. You guys have your 10% and we do too. The problem is not most of you, its your FAB7 and their sense of entitlement. The other question, how do you pretend both pilot groups can work together after all of this mud slinging? It's like two people beating the living crap out of eachother and the next day are forced to get over it, with scars and bruises. Somene is going to be pissed, might be you guys, might be us...and Gary was hoping to avoid all of this. Also, difference between USAir and this fiasco is Doug Parker sat on the sideline with thumbs up his rear not wanting to get involved. In fact, Parker figured the longer this draws out, the longer he could keep the old contracts. That's not the case here, I think this is more and more between ALPA and their FAB 7 (the oracles of Airtran), and SWA MGMNT.

 

[SWA/FO]

The FAB 7... I love it.

 

[canyonblue]

The FAB 7... I love it.

I don't, any use of "FAB" other than the Beatles is an insult. How about....

1. Seven Wonders of the Ancient World
2. Seven Deadly Sins
3. The Magnificent Seven
3. Seven Continents
4. Seven Days of the Week
5. The Seven Seas
6. Seven Habits of Highly Effective People
7. Seven Brides for Seven Brothers

 

[CF34-3B1]

I don't, any use of "FAB" other than the Beatles is an insult. How about....

1. Seven Wonders of the Ancient World
2. Seven Deadly Sins
3. The Magnificent Seven
3. Seven Continents
4. Seven Days of the Week
5. The Seven Seas
6. Seven Habits of Highly Effective People
7. Seven Brides for Seven Brothers

For the sake of all the Trannys, I just hope it doesn't turn out to be 7-11

 

[400ADude]

I've been a silent observer for a while, time to comment on a few things. I am the bottom 737 AT Captain. I may have had a lot to gain and a lot to lose in the rejected SLI Agreement. That being said -from my perspective I feel a there is a huge injustice in what is “not” being said in these message boards.


(what isn't being said -is the AirTran pilots were welcome aboard if we could accept life at SWA as a 2nd class pilot group, “the clean up crew that would work weekends, holidays and bounce from junior base to junior base for over a decade and most likely a lot longer ”)---the point our MEC made with their no vote was that is not acceptable).




To all those who preach greedy AirTran pilots---it's not about the money it's about quality of life.
What is being said is the Airtran pilots are greedy: rejecting a 2 billion $ incentive over $2 million a piece. Fuzzy math by my calculations. In fact in a few short years if I were to be back in the right seat, It would have been a pay loss. I am still a little curious how placing AT pilots on = pay scale with SWA pilots is a sweetner or incentive but that's how SWA and SWAPA are spinning it.


1st let me pointedly say our MEC did not give us the choice to decide. 2nd I think the additional pay would have been nice. However, I am well aware of what my career expectations were on 9/26/10 -I think all Airtran pilots are,.


If you studied SL9 and other supporting documentation in detail-it was plain to see the loopholes. Loopholes skillfully wrapped into the SLI agreement. The loopholes stacked the deck nicely in SWAPA's favor-and simply handing AT pilots a huge seniority loss for the majority. At the end of the day junior captain retention slots would have been negated , ATL fences would have been negated as the base would have been 40% of all AT pilots remaining displced, a lot of the other protections would have been negated. We were being enticed with money we haven't seen before to quickly rollover and sell out our seniority. I personally would have lost 33%, 51% to 84%.


Gentlemen we are not the greedy pilot group many have labeled us.


A fair and equitable integration is what we desire, we do not desire to harm our future coworkers or their careers.


The AirTran pilot group helped build a lean, profitable airline that offers a superior product. We helped build an airline we can be proud of. One that withstood valuation, judging and scrutiny by the high standards of our new owners . We helped build an airline outside of SWA,FEDEX or UPS that became a top career destination in the industry. We know how to be efficient and are thus competitive, we are a hard working group of professional aviators that do not appreciate being looked down upon. (I think that was partly the point of the MEC vote).


If we end up integrating, I look forward working with all of you in the future.


I personally hope we can put this together quickly and peaceably so we can go out and beat up on our competitors in a down economy like usual! “Together” It may take more giving from both parties.

Regards, Eric Hull

Hey Eric,

Any thoughts from your original thread?

I agree with your statement:
"I personally hope we can put this together quickly and peaceably so we can go out and beat up on our competitors in a down economy like usual"

HERE IS MY TAKE BRO:

LET's kick some tail brother and get this thing done. Greed no sir!

Profitability and a kick a$$ company. YES SIR!

What do say bro??