go! New Mesa Hawaii airline gets a name!

[G100driver]

How the hell are they going to get a CRJ2 over there. Tear it apart and ship it.

Probably the same way they get 172's, Navajo's and 737-200's over to the islands ....

Think about it ...

 

[DeltaLima21]

How the hell are they going to get a CRJ2 over there. Tear it apart and ship it.

Fuel Bladder

 

[BlackPilot628]

I never thought they would get this think up and running. They're already booking flights.

 

[Otto Coarsen]

Hireing req.

Mommy and Daddy willing to keep supporting your dumb A$$ after you have already spent $100,000 of there money going to college. You know, how do these kids have so little sense of pride to have this conversation with there parents.
Kid: Mom, Dad, I know I have blown $100,000 of your money living on the beach for the last 4 years. I understand you didn't plan on spending that much, and I am destroying your retirement accounts. I am really selfish and have SJS so I am going to go live in Hawaii makeing $18,000 a year. As we both know it will cost at least $40,000 a year to live there so if you could just send me a check for $2,000 on the first of every month that would be great.
What the parents should say: GO! to hell

If more parents would say no, the industry would be a lot different.

I don't mean to rip on you twice in one day, but this is a quote of one of your recent posts:

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I made about $25,000 last year, had the normal deduction amount, and had $2800 taken from me over the year. Turbo Tax is saying that I am only getting $350 back. That seems pretty low to me. Does this sound normal to everyone.
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Ummm.... A whopping whole $25 grand! wow! I'm glad to see you are doing SOOOOO much better than the Mesa pilots..

 

[mdanno808]

For the Mesa guys: WTF? Mesa is advertising that they are hiring pilots for the Hawaii operation. I thought you guys had made sure it was going to be staffed with Mesa pilots, and that there were enough volunteers to staff "GO Airlines"?​

 

[mdanno808]

Mesa plans to 'Go' the distance

Pacific Business News (Honolulu) - March 27, 2006
by Howard Dicus

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The head of the Mainland company launching an interisland airline called "Go" says he's here to stay but the introductory fares aren't.
Jonathan Ornstein, CEO of Mesa Air Group, says the $39 one-way fares he chose for the opening of service in June -- fares which Hawaiian Airlines and Aloha Airlines are matching -- are designed to entice people to try the service. Eventually, fares will be higher.
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But Ornstein did raise the possibility that the fares will last longer than the summer period, through Sept. 30, which have so far been announced.
"When you plug fares into the computer," he explained, "you have to put some kind of stop date. But what we're really planning is to keep the fares until we've gotten a sufficient number of people to try the product."
Sources at Aloha Airlines have told Pacific Business News that Ornstein has got to be selling seats at a loss because his jets seat only 50 passengers, less than half as many as they do.
Ornstein did not dispute that but said his cost structure was favorably affected by fact that he got the four regional jets with which he will launch the service on favorable terms. Part of the cost of flying anywhere is the cost of payments on the planes that execute the service, he said.
Hawaiian Airlines CEO Mark Dunkerley said he thought Ornstein's foray into Hawaii was probably driven in part by a desire not to create ill will with the Mainland carriers United Airlines, Delta Air Lines and US Airways, for which Mesa Air Group acts as a subcontractor flying regional feeder service. In Hawaii, Dunkerley said, Ornstein would be competing with carriers none of which uses Mesa as a vendor.
Ornstein confirmed that was indeed a factor but did not rule out using the "Go" name on the Mainland later on.
Hawaiian's Dunkerley and Aloha Airlines Vice President for Marketing Thom Nulty each said their carriers are in the interisland business permanently no matter what "Go" does.
"Go" launches June 9 with two regional jets. One will be based in Kahului and will fly to Honolulu, then alternate round trips to Kona and Kahului for the rest of the day. The second plane will be based at Lihue and will fly to Honolulu, then alternate round trips to Kahului and Lihue for the rest of the day.
On June 20, two more jets will join the service. One will be based at Kona, flying to Honolulu and then alternating round trips to Lihue and Kona for the rest of the day. The other will be based at Hilo, flying to Honolulu and then alternating round trips to Kahului and Hilo for the rest of the day.
In all four cases the first departure will be in the 6 a.m. hour and the last arrival will be in the 9 p.m. hour.


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[pilot772]

For the Mesa guys: WTF? Mesa is advertising that they are hiring pilots for the Hawaii operation. I thought you guys had made sure it was going to be staffed with Mesa pilots, and that there were enough volunteers to staff "GO Airlines"?​

they are staffed by mesa pilots and FA's all who are going over there have been awarded there bases and they are effective june 4th. probably just an EOE thing.

 

[$$$4nothin]

Hey OTTO.
I DONT LIVE IN HAWAII EITHER. I also don't have any parental support. Ya I made 1st year FO pay last year, but I flew frieght before that so I had some money saved up. What does what I made have anything to do with these kids asking mommy and daddy for money. Don't be pissed at me because you work for freedom and live off mom and dad.

 

[spitfire1500]

For the Mesa guys: WTF? Mesa is advertising that they are hiring pilots for the Hawaii operation. I thought you guys had made sure it was going to be staffed with Mesa pilots, and that there were enough volunteers to staff "GO Airlines"?​

It is to be staffed by Mesa pilots......but no one is bidding it!!

 

[PBRstreetgang]

dang, that must be the Mesa-sized packaging. I've never seen it in boxes.

Hey,
It is like box wine, its the only way to get the volume of a$$ lube needed to prevent the sphincter from bursting into flames from the friction.
BAAAHAAA
PBR

 

[pilot772]

It is to be staffed by Mesa pilots......but no one is bidding it!!

thats strange. the bid awards that i saw had them fully staffed. in fact some of the domiciles went fairly senior. i know a 2 year FO you is barely in the top 50% in one of the bases

 

[islandhopper]

It is to be staffed by Mesa pilots......but no one is bidding it!!

Well I have the mesa award right here, I know 7 Cap's in the HNL base, 1 in ITO, two in KOA, and one in LIH. I don't know any of the FO's but the bottom of the FO list looks like a guy with less than 6 months seniority.

The #1 senior guy in Honolulu has about 6 years total seniority at Mesa, so the flying is going kind of junior. Not too many people at Mesa figure they can make it out in Hawaii and they are right. This is no place to come and try f-in around. The guys that I know from my chequered past already know its "all G with me". The rest of you are on your own. I'm sure some of you are nice guys and all but I got enough friends already. Good luck.

 

[bustinmins]

Does anybody know what the hiring minimums are?

1000 TT
100 AMEL
Company Recommendations helpful but not required.

 

[bustinmins]

Does anybody know what the hiring minimums are?

A set of knee pads and box of KY jelly.

Those are standard issue with an regional job.

 

[bustinmins]

For the Mesa guys: WTF? Mesa is advertising that they are hiring pilots for the Hawaii operation. I thought you guys had made sure it was going to be staffed with Mesa pilots, and that there were enough volunteers to staff "GO Airlines"?​

The pilots flying the go! routes will be Mesa ALPA members. We have scope protection.

JD

 

[bustinmins]

I don't mean to rip on you twice in one day, but this is a quote of one of your recent posts:

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Taxes
I made about $25,000 last year, had the normal deduction amount, and had $2800 taken from me over the year. Turbo Tax is saying that I am only getting $350 back. That seems pretty low to me. Does this sound normal to everyone.
Thanks for the feedback
__________________
You can do things as a freight dog that you will never get to do at a regional. GO BOSOX

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Ummm.... A whopping whole $25 grand! wow! I'm glad to see you are doing SOOOOO much better than the Mesa pilots..

Mesa has several pilots at the top of the list making 104 per hour with a 70 hour/13 bid guarantee. That isn't great but it isn't too bad either.

70(base pay in hours)x13(28 day bids)= 910 hours at $104 = 94,640. If you include per diem it is about 97,890 per year. If you're an IOE captain on the CRJ 900, you have the possibility to make 113,568 plus per diem - best case.

Additional news, Mesa just elected an entirely new MEC. It will be interesting to see where this new leadership will take Mesa Pilots in their next round of contract negotiations. We all know the last contract was a joke. However, we did secure scope protection. We have a long way to go on QOL issues and believe me, I think those issues will be addressed as well as the salary issues. As much as many of you hate "Mesa", I must say that this group of pilots is committed to making life better as soon as we can. It will take some time but now, with one unified pilot list and scope protections, it should be a much stronger voice when the negotiations begin on the amendable date.

JD

 

[islandhopper]

Mesa has several pilots at the top of the list making 104 per hour with a 70 hour/13 bid guarantee. That isn't great but it isn't too bad either.

70(base pay in hours)x13(28 day bids)= 910 hours at $104 = 94,640. If you include per diem it is about 97,890 per year. If you're an IOE captain on the CRJ 900, you have the possibility to make 113,568 plus per diem - best case.

Additional news, Mesa just elected an entirely new MEC. It will be interesting to see where this new leadership will take Mesa Pilots in their next round of contract negotiations. We all know the last contract was a joke. However, we did secure scope protection. We have a long way to go on QOL issues and believe me, I think those issues will be addressed as well as the salary issues. As much as many of you hate "Mesa", I must say that this group of pilots is committed to making life better as soon as we can. It will take some time but now, with one unified pilot list and scope protections, it should be a much stronger voice when the negotiations begin on the amendable date.

JD

If you like math so much JD, don't forget AQ & HAL both have 6 minute landing credits for all the inter-island flying. 80 hours a month just wont be the same without it. Thats 6 minutes of PAY for every landing.

After a day with 8 legs, your landing credits equal 48 minutes of pay. In one of your 28 day bids you can figure out the rest of the math.
I don't really care about the go! pilots coming out here, WTF, it's just a job right? If mesa actually is sucessful at getting through the gates all I expect from the go! pilots is they DEMAND the 6 minute landing credit for the low segment time, Hawaii inter-island flying. They should already be asking for it.

I can guarantee everybody if our mgmts have to come back to the pilots for the 6 minute credit as a concession to more effectively battle mesa we all might not be so welcoming anymore.

 

[bustinmins]

If you like math so much JD, don't forget AQ & HAL both have 6 minute landing credits for all the inter-island flying. 80 hours a month just wont be the same without it. Thats 6 minutes of PAY for every landing.

Interesting! I appreciate your insight. I certainly hope you don't have to concede that item in negotiations. Personally, I don't know what our odds are in the islands but I think they are quite small. If it was up to me, we'd be expanding some where on the mainland. Mesa pay is peanuts to what the cost of living is out there. Most of the pilots and flight attendants that have accepted the position are those really really junior people with no strings and no qualms about living with twenty other twenty-something people.

They are still Mesa pilots on the Mesa ALPA pilots list. They aren't a rogue internal airline like the old Freedumb certificate. We still have that certificate by the way and it is being operated by ALPA pilots now. Thus please don't hold anything against the new Freedom pilots because all of them sided with ALPA in our last negotiations.

With that said, I hope you don't hold Mesa pilots accountable for what their management team is doing. I certainly don't deny jumpseats to those carriers whom I deem a threat to my career. I might do that to a non-alpa rogue airline(read: Go Jet) but I'd never turn down a jumpseater from another airline that is qualified.

Mesa pilots are just doing the job assigned as you are. The company is certainly a threat to your current market but I don't know how committed we are to serving the area. We'll soon see. Personally, I give us one chance in three. I think there might be some ego involved with managements decision to attack that market and a vendetta is never a good way start to anything.

With that said, I wish you the very best down there. You certainly have a nice place to work! I am based in O'Hare - enough said there.

You take care and make it a good week! Have one for me!

JD

 

[islandhopper]

They are still Mesa pilots on the Mesa ALPA pilots list. They aren't a rogue internal airline like the old Freedumb certificate. We still have that certificate by the way and it is being operated by ALPA pilots now. Thus please don't hold anything against the new Freedom pilots because all of them sided with ALPA in our last negotiations.

I got that list too.

 

[Soverytired]

Rogue Internal Airline? Har har, that's rich. Last time I checked, large investment groups start airlines, not pilots, and they don't need any pilots permission to do so. I find your labeling of any airline as "rogue" silly.

Going to Hawaii on the GO! operation is financial suicide, but if I went, I sure wouldn't really worry about jumpseat problems. Mesa has interline agreements with Hawaiian for $50 bucks one way to the mainland; USAir/AmWest runs lots of flights to PHX and the ones to LAS are pretty much empty . . . . cheap enough to just buy the darn ticket for the semi-annual trip to homeland.