GO Jet Pay

[Turbosnake03]

It's not 70 seat jet pay (but really, neither is GJ).

GJ's 70 seat pay is more than Mesa's 70 seat pay. and alot more than the dash pay.

 

[Shrek]

Lol.......nm

 

[Smarta$$]

USAir was firing and hiring at the same time and you didn't call Piedmont employees scabs?

Wholly owned subsidiary hiring with mainline furloughing... How is that any different?

Um OK. So US air furloughs some airbus pilots but expands there 30 PAX turboprop regional feed, and that is the same? Not even close. They dont even serve close to the same market and not in competion for the same routes. One feeds the other. You are a moron.

 

[I_Love_Lamp]

Okay, how about NWA hiring at Pinnacle and furloughing at mainline?

Furlough off the DC9 and hire onto the CRJ.

Where's your defense to that? I'm not a moron, just calling bullcrap whiny entitlement when I see it.

 

[Turkey Shoot]

Okay, how about NWA hiring at Pinnacle and furloughing at mainline?

Furlough off the DC9 and hire onto the CRJ.

Where's your defense to that? I'm not a moron, just calling bullcrap whiny entitlement when I see it.

Fine, I'll call "Flawed Logic." NW did not create Pinnacle to screw their pilot group on contract negotiations. It's like saying ASA or Comair are that same thing as GJ.

You may say your not a moron but you don't sound so bright either. Just for the record I don't work at TSA either and I do give a sh1t about happenes there and if given the oppurtunity, I will do my best to dissuade my CA from letting a GJ jumpseat.

 

[temcgrew]

the pay on that site is rounded UP, just rembember that. They make about a 1.50 per hour MORE than TSA EMB 145 pay and are ONLY PAYED BLOCK.

If anyone feels like that is worth the risk of not jumpseating or not getting another job then go ahead and work there. There are plenty of waterskiers at other companies that actually ask for pilot input on who they hire. Others might not care, but no TSA pilot will ever forget this.

Just remember you were all forewarned!!!

 

[Way2Broke]

I am not a GJA airline supporter, but I wanted to point out that alot of people think all the companies flying regional jets, especially the larger RJs are "alter ego" companies of the mainline carrier they fly for or anymore is seems like they are flying against.

 

[FlyHIToo]

I just j/s on SWA a month or two ago and the captain came up into the terminal, told me that they had a GJ guy trying to j/s and asked me if I wanted him to boot him. Awesome; I love the guy.
SWA knows about GJ and they seem to care.

Was it a month or two... I think you are making stuff up!!??? GJ pilots have NO problem jumpseating on SWA, nor anyother airline for that matter most JS every week. If it makes you feel good inside to think that they do have problems jumpseating then continue to think that. I will tell you 1st hand... I have never had any problem geting a JS including TSA, (unless the flight was oversold), and I commute every week.

johndt.....you are simpley FLAMBAIT!

 

[I_Love_Lamp]

Fine, I'll call "Flawed Logic." NW did not create Pinnacle to screw their pilot group on contract negotiations. It's like saying ASA or Comair are that same thing as GJ.

No, they did not create it, but the ends justify the means, do they not? In the end, pilots got the short straw.

You may say your not a moron

My not a moron? I guess I must be a moron because I know that your is possessive...

but you don't sound so bright either. Just for the record I don't work at TSA either and I do give a sh1t about happenes there and if given the oppurtunity, I will do my best to dissuade my CA from letting a GJ jumpseat.

Have fun playing sophomoric games. I'm not justifying what GJ did but I'm just tired of this pilots fighting pilots bitter catfight jr high girl peeing match.

 

[Turkey Shoot]

Have fun playing sophomoric games. I'm not justifying what GJ did but I'm just tired of this pilots fighting pilots bitter catfight jr high girl peeing match.

The NW pilot group could have had any of that flying had they chosen too, but the pay wasn't there and still isn't. Just as American and Delta guys could have taken the regional stuff but they didn't want what it paid. You are comparing apples to oranges. TSA pilots did want that flying.

That's where you're wrong on the peeing match. It goes to the core of the argument of holding the line in the "Race to the Bottom." Guys will support you until they get bored with it until it's their airline creating an alter ego to whipsaw them with.

It's not pilots fighting pilots either, it's pilots fighting someone who's enabling management to screw people and take money out of their wallets. There is nothing sophomoric about that. But then again, it may very well fit your personality to play those sorts of games since sophomoric is derived from a word to mean, "Of little knowledge."

Excuse my grammatical error.

 

[IdRtherBsailing]

someone would have to be on strike for anyone to be a scab.

right smarta$$??

Scab does not just mean crossing the picket line.

Websters Definition
Main Entry: 1scab
Pronunciation: 'skab
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, of Scandinavian origin; akin to Old Swedish skabbr scab; akin to Old English sceabb scab, Latin scabere to scratch -- more at [SIZE=-1]SHAVE[/SIZE]
1 : scabies of domestic animals
2 : a crust of hardened blood and serum over a wound
3 a : a contemptible person b (1) : a worker who refuses to join a labor union (2) : a union member who refuses to strike or returns to work before a strike has ended (3) : a worker who accepts employment or replaces a union worker during a strike (4) : one who works for less than union wages or on nonunion terms
4 : any of various bacterial or fungus diseases of plants characterized by crustaceous spots; also : one of the spots

 

[KingKong2]

HAVING A UNION IS NOT THE POINT! Trans States holdings is hiring pilots and furloughing pilots at the same time. At a minimum, how are you people OK with this? You are all managements wet dream. Who cares what happens to others as long as you get yours. (directed too all the people that seemingly dont understand this situation.)

1st... I am sorry I am bumping this thread....

2nd... I am furloughed from American Airlines. I got hired by AA, not TWA, in early 2000. American Airlines has furloughed 2900+ pilots while American Eagle has hired 40+ a month for 4+ years. AMR owns both and have grown AE at the expense of AA. At least TSAHoldings gave you guys several opportunities to get control of GJ flying (and I am not talking about the LOA that was strike 3). I was never given the option of get control of the AE flying. I was kicked to the street. Yes... TSA has furloughed and yes ************************* has been hiring, so welcome to life work for a holding company.

Pot, meet Kettle…

I am sick of hearing the same old argument day in and day out. So you can bitch at me all you want... I will not bump this thread... I wish others would do the same cause I doubt whether the TSA pilots here will argue with themselves.

So let this crap die....Stop fueling this fire...Stop bumping this...

If you don't like TSA, then spend the time you spend complaining here on filling out applications and resumes and move on. This site is not going to change anything it just keeps going downhill. TSA is, and has been the worst regional out there for 20+ years it is not going to change. Only you can change...

Fire Away...

Just try to do it in a professional manner... using Fcuk, a$$hole, sh1thead and the like only add to my point. It shows your lack of intelligence and inability to effectively communicate with others.

Scab does not just mean crossing the picket line.

(4) : one who works for less than union wages or on nonunion terms

Hmmm… ************************* is union and ************************* makes more than Mesa and about the same as CHQ and ComAir. Skywest is non-union and makes less than ASA, AE, Horizion and CoEX who are union. ************************* is still in negotiations, so these are company offered rates.

Every regional out here works for less than their union mainline counterparts. SCABs? Not even close….

 

[TSA ERJ]

I know each of you GJ guys just want this topic to die and I don't blame you. But, you will continue to be exposed for what you are and that is something you'll have to live with for a long time.

 

[redbook]

Every regional out here works for less than their union mainline counterparts. SCABs? Not even close….

You are correct.

One more time.

You, at g0jet, are an alter ego whipsaw carrier. And you knew what you were joining because prior to launch, the President of ALPA informed you that you would be joining an alter ego carrier.

You ignored that. The issue will not die. Never.

 

[Turbosnake03]

You are correct.

One more time.

You, at g0jet, are an alter ego whipsaw carrier. And you knew what you were joining because prior to launch, the President of ALPA informed you that you would be joining an alter ego carrier.

You ignored that. The issue will not die. Never.

ALPA thinks it's dead. they don't even care anymore. but then agian, who do they care about really???

 

[redbook]

ALPA thinks it's dead. they don't even care anymore. but then agian, who do they care about really???

I can assure you many ALPA members do not think it is dead. But go ahead and try and divide. So clever.

 

[redbook]

ALPA thinks it's dead. they don't even care anymore. but then agian, who do they care about really???

Glad you didn't bother lying and saying that g0jet is not an alter ego scumbag carrier.

Your only retort? ALPA "doesn't care". Oh, ow. That really hurts.

 

[IdRtherBsailing]

Hmmm… ************************* is union and ************************* makes more than Mesa and about the same as CHQ and ComAir. Skywest is non-union and makes less than ASA, AE, Horizion and CoEX who are union. ************************* is still in negotiations, so these are company offered rates.

Every regional out here works for less than their union mainline counterparts. SCABs? Not even close….

O.K. If you don't like that argue this part of the definition. Most certainly SCAB.

1 : scabies of domestic animals
2 : a crust of hardened blood and serum over a wound
3 a : a contemptible person b (1) : a worker who refuses to join a labor union (2) : a union member who refuses to strike or returns to work before a strike has ended (3) : a worker who accepts employment or replaces a union worker during a strike (4) : one who works for less than union wages or on nonunion terms
4 : any of various bacterial or fungus diseases of plants characterized by crustaceous spots; also : one of the spots http://www.m-w.com/images/pixt.gif

 

[purduedchi]

[FONT=&quot]The Scumjet issue is not a dead horse...not by a long shot. TSA may have lost a battle, and yes it still makes things an uphill climb, but that is what we were willing to risk, and ready to accept. We can accept the NMB's ruling for now...that different hat brass, different lettering on an airplane, separate cubicles for dispatch constitute separate carriers. As TSH tries to streamline their operation, it will become more apparent that these are indeed one in the same company. Management didn't want single carrier for one reason only...pay rates. It had nothing to do with scope clause because management was willing to give single carrier for a 4 year contract extension. The did not want to have to pay the 10 or 15 year captain when they could hire brand new street captains at 1st year rates...a difference of 20-30 dollars an hour, or roughly 20-30K a year. You all think that you are so righteous but the truth is that you are so blinded by management’s rhetoric. You say that this is a business, well then don't be upset if other professionals don't like you. Don't whine and cry when you don't get your ride home. Don't accuse another pilot of intentionally trying to burn you with a coffee pot. You cannot demand respect in this industry, especially when you are currently lowering the bar for all regionals. When, or maybe I should say IF, you sign some amazing contract, I'll eat my words and then maybe I will have some respect for you...but with HK, it's all dollars and cents. What makes you think that your life over there won't be as bad as TSA? You all know that ************************* was created to fly 70 seaters for United...but it was kept out of single carrier to save money. You basically have taken from our livelihood, so excuse me if I am a little bitter about this. You knowingly and willingly stepped over our backs to achieve something not yet deserved. You were probably all the same individuals who stole money out of your dad’s wallet or your mom’s purse when you were a kid. Either way, some people out there will like you, some will despise you...DEAL WITH IT!

Oh...and by the way...whichever one of you pilots had the nerve to grab one of our flight attendants ID in the Training center elevator with 2 of your buddies and then proceed to tell her "Oh, you work for Trans States...We hate you!", real classy move. This is a battle between managment and the pilots...Do not go after an innocent group. Not to mention, 3 bad a$$ pilots trying to intimidate one flight attendant; obviously real men right there. Grow up![/FONT]

 

[oceandude]

wahhhhhhhhhhhhh. you cry, i will get my pic! its a dog eat dog world. learn to live with it!!

 

[h25b]

[FONT=&quot]The did not want to have to pay the 10 or 15 year captain when they could hire brand new street captains at 1st year rates...a difference of 20-30 dollars an hour, or roughly 20-30K a year. [/FONT]

I have no idea what they are currently doing as to new hire pay, but within the initial cadre of new hires the Captains were given DOH from their previous carrier and thus earning wages in to the 5+ yr. marks. So your above statement is at least somewhat false...

 

[Skippy]

Someone please tell me why i should have gone to g0jet and taken a pay cut.
I just dont understand. Why would a company invite me and others over , yet only give us 5 years credit and less vacation with less than TSA workrules? Excuse me if i say, I'd have to be committed to an institutions to accept a paycut and work for less than amicable work rules that i've been used to for 6 years. I mean seriously how can i respect someone who wants to work for less thatn what they were making? Do you just wake up one morning saying, " you know , I just feel like giving back to the company." all i can say is WOW.

Other than that i have an issue of the following: You guys all think your equal in pay etc. I'm a betting man , bu tsomething tells me that someone who gives up 15-28 years at TSA is only making 5th year pay. IM going to call BS on that. So you see, TSH has already created inequality amongst it's own pilots. Hmmmmm we'll give so and so 5 years credit while we secretly give SO and SO a different and higher amount.

I really just dont care anymore, if you work there i'd at least have a smidgeon of respect if you could wear you id proudly, but most of you cant. that's so bush league. You may think it's over, but it's not.

 

[Shrek]

Never.......

 

[Golden Falcon]

but then again children...your big union forgave thousands of scabs that crossed at Continental..not siding with the real scabs...but the gentleman is right no strike, no scab...just a bunch of whining barbie-jet pilots

 

[Turbosnake03]

[FONT=&quot] You cannot demand respect in this industry, especially when you are currently lowering the bar for all regionals. [/FONT]

lowering the bar?? you guys keep talking about GJ lowering the bar with low pay rates.. how about the TSA 50 seat rates??? if you really look at it TSA guys have been lowering the bar way before GJ.

 

[Turbosnake03]

[FONT=&quot]
Oh...and by the way...whichever one of you pilots had the nerve to grab one of our flight attendants ID in the Training center elevator with 2 of your buddies and then proceed to tell her "Oh, you work for Trans States...We hate you!", real classy move. This is a battle between managment and the pilots...Do not go after an innocent group. Not to mention, 3 bad a$$ pilots trying to intimidate one flight attendant; obviously real men right there. Grow up![/FONT]

i love to read these stories.. well if it is on flightinfo.com it must be true.

come on guys grow up, you guys are getting desperate with your mudslinging.

 

[redbook]

but then again children...your big union forgave thousands of scabs that crossed at Continental..not siding with the real scabs...but the gentleman is right no strike, no scab...just a bunch of whining barbie-jet pilots

One of my favorite arguments, by this moron summed up as:

because in the past a few lowlifes have scabbed and managed to stay in their seat and careers well then, anyone should be an alter ego pilot.

You are scum.

 

[redbook]

lowering the bar?? you guys keep talking about GJ lowering the bar with low pay rates.. how about the TSA 50 seat rates??? if you really look at it TSA guys have been lowering the bar way before GJ.

Nice try our 50 seat rates were above industry average for a good portion of the time they were in effect, and we are working on a new contract. Only with the advent of an alter ego carrier, aided by lowlifes like YOU, allowed tsh to whipsaw the TSA pilots.

And we still didn't lower the bar. WE VOTED NO.

You, the alter ego pilots, bear the responsibility for the problems at TSH. You and you alone.

 

[Turbosnake03]

so redbook, why don't you go somewhere else to work?? you are the one saying that so many regionals are hiring.

 

[PCL_128]

Okay, how about NWA hiring at Pinnacle and furloughing at mainline?

Furlough off the DC9 and hire onto the CRJ.

Where's your defense to that? I'm not a moron, just calling bullcrap whiny entitlement when I see it.

Not similar in the slightest.

All flying that Pinnacle currently does and has ever done was willingly given away by the NWA pilots by making concessions in their scope language over and over again. They had the opportunity to keep the flying, but they decided that they didn't want it.

By contrast, the TSA pilots' contract has always said that all flying must be done by pilots on the TSA seniority list. The intent of the language is very clear. Anyone that accepts a job at HoJets is willfully participating in circumventing the TSA pilots' CBA. No contract language was ever violated or circumvented when Pinnacle started flying NWA routes. The same can not be said in the TSA/HoJet situation.