GJ Hiring Captains and fo's

[Smarta$$]

I agree.. But that horse has left the barn months ago...

Nope, still and always a posibility if thats what both pilot groups want!

 

[BoilerUP]

USAir MEC told their furloughed pilots to go work at GJ.

You fail to mention the next day there was a special Code-A-Phone recanting such a statement and expressing strong support for Trans States ALPA pilots in their battle against alter-ego carriers.

BTW, XJ is Mesaba, XJT is Expressjet

 

[h25b]

You fail to mention the next day there was a special Code-A-Phone recanting such a statement and expressing strong support for Trans States ALPA pilots in their battle against alter-ego carriers.

BTW, XJ is Mesaba, XJT is Expressjet

I think just the fact that the original message went out spoke volumes... It was sort of like one day coming out in support of the Nazi party and the next day issuing a press release of condemnation...

 

[FlyHIToo]

So work from within and get both groups on one list.

OK... As APA said to TWA....
Since we have 777's and you only had 767's, had AA not bought TWA you never would have held 777 CA, so we will staple you in away that would never let you hold 777 CA prior to the staple date here at AA.

 

[Smarta$$]

OK... As APA said to TWA....
Since we have 777's and you only had 767's, had AA not bought TWA you never would have held 777 CA, so we will staple you in away that would never let you hold 777 CA prior to the staple date here at AA.

Three things,
1. This first of all would be fine considering you make less overall on your 777 than TSA pilots make on their little 767.

2. That is a different circumstance because TWA was a seperate company, not a company that AA created with seperate pilots to whipsaw and save money. You know this difference makes this an apples and oranges urguement so why would you use this example?

3. If not for pay, It really doesnt matter what kind of airliner you fly does it? flying your big 777 doesnt even factor into this unless you have SJS. (But this does give me a glimps of your SJS mindset)


It is clear by your tone that you have no intention of considering my suggestion. Thats too bad. I have a feeling if this does not get resolved soon, thier will be many gayjets pilots in a few years silently wishing they would have grouped the lists together.

 

[FlyHIToo]

It is clear by your tone that you have no intention of considering my suggestion. Thats too bad. I have a feeling if this does not get resolved soon, thier will be many gayjets pilots in a few years silently wishing they would have grouped the lists together.

I do think that the only way to over come whipsaw is work together. I and many others would consider your suggestion. It can be done with or without out one list. Long as the two sides work together.

However, sadly.... I, with 100% certainty, know that TSA MEC will never consider talking to the IBT on this issue.

 

[TSA ERJ]

FlyHIToo,
Don't be mistaken, the NMB ruled the two do not constitute a single transportation system. That has nothing to do with the fact that you are an alter ego carrier being used to depress wages at not only Trans States, but at all of the other regionals as well. You GJ guys are like politicians, you twist and spin to make almost any information sound positive for you. This decision in no way validates your pilot group or what you are doing to lower the standards in the regional industry.

 

[TSA ERJ]

FlyHI
We would be willing to consider it as long as it includes the staple of GJ to the bottom of TSA. Now you want to work together when you are the ones that helped to create the whipsaw?

 

[FlyHIToo]

Don't be mistaken, the NMB ruled the two do not constitute a single transportation system. That has nothing to do with the fact that you are an alter ego carrier being used to depress wages at not only Trans States, but at all of the other regionals as well. You GJ guys are like politicians, you twist and spin to make almost any information sound positive for you. This decision in no way validates your pilot group or what you are doing to lower the standards in the regional industry.

Freedom/CCAir were alter-egos. GJ is not anymore an alter-ego than ComAir is to DAL, or Eagle is to American. That is the ruling of the NMB. In their words, in their ruling on page 38.

Not that it is not undercuting, but GJ has done nothing worse than MESA, CHQ, or SkyWest. SkyWest is non-union and not trying to organize and flying 70/90 seaters for 50 rates. GJ makes more than MESA and the same as CHQ and SkyWset, without even negotiating.

I agree wages at all four are low. GJ can actually improve there postion soon as the NMB certifies their union and negotiating resumes. Your fight should not be just with GJ alone, but MESA, CHQ, and SkyWest too.

 

[FlyHIToo]

FlyHI
We would be willing to consider it as long as it includes the staple of GJ to the bottom of TSA. Now you want to work together when you are the ones that helped to create the whipsaw?

That will never happen, sorry.

 

[Reebo]

Shrek -

Look harder. I know of at least one, though I won't mention names here. Ex-Eastern, I'm very sure he's still there. I bet your ALPA friends can identify the rest.

B.G. is long gone, no longer on the TSA seniority list.

 

[Reebo]

GJ makes more than MESA and the same as CHQ and SkyWset, without even negotiating.

Prove It!!!

 

[Smarta$$]

. GJ makes more than MESA and the same as CHQ and SkyWset, without even negotiating.

No you don't dumba$$, your either full of sh!t or dillusional.

 

[A350]

Smarta$$:

I have no motivation. My point is that you guys better get together if you want to fight your management....but the way you have treated the G0Jet pilots, why would they want to play ball with you.....there will always be those of you who feel you got screwed and will continually take it out on someone.

Secondly, why does it have to be someone's fault. You want my opinion?

Fault lies squarely at the feet of those who let regional, pay for training, pay for services airlines fly mainline passengers in jet aircraft instead of requiring that they be flown at mainline at better (certainly more appropriate) wages/benefits on a single brand seniority list. Need a list? ALPA, (insert every regional airline here), Osama Bin Laden, an apathetic Federal Government, an apathetic Chief Executive, and a greedy bunch of bastards who run the companies of this country into the ground and blame someone else.

Regional airlines exist at the behest of their mainline couterparts. Without mainline airlines, regional airlines don't exist. Yet at this point, there is a continual demand for their services at lower rates because the current economic conditions for regional aircraft services demand lower cost structures. Translation: The mainline systems that the regional airlines get all their revenue from are BK and they cannot afford to pay the "going rate" for those services. In the late 90's, regional airline aircraft were an attractive alternative to higher cost mainline flying...today that is not true. The regional airline systems are not adding profits to the mainline system. So the mainline partner looks for a cheaper route.

So, when you figure out how to fix all that, let me know. Until then, respect your fellow aviators, as they are, like you, trying to plow through life as it comes at them.

Should I go on?

A350

 

[KeroseneSnorter]

Interesting read.

This subject makes a lot of folks upset, however I doubt anybody that flys for the mentioned company will ever see any blowback from it.

No picket lines have been crossed. I have yet to see an HR department that cared where you flew to get the time.

ALPA list is the only one that could really shoot down the pilots that flew there. I think their record speaks for it's self over the past few years and strikes, they are not going to do anything. ALPA can't even figure out how to handle bonafide picket line crossers, much less deal with some perceived issue with a non union company flown on it's own certificate.

This situation is simply a continuation of what happened to the mainlines, except now the regionals are on the receiving end of it. Instead of taking the flying from mainline, their flying is being taken. Different name for it, same game. The CEO's are loving it.

 

[Steveair]

Nevermind... it's been said!

 

[FlyHIToo]

No you don't dumba$$, your either full of sh!t or dillusional.

Don't get me wrong all these rates could be better. But GJ is no worse than CHQ, SKYWEST, or MESA. GJ's rates are the company's initial offer and have not even been negotiated yet. So GJ's rates will only improve.

70 SEAT RATES CAPT

CHQ GJ* SKY MESA


1YR $56 $56 $56 $55
2YR $58 $58 $58 $57
3YR $62 $60 $60 $58
4YR $64 $62 $61 $60
5YR $66 $64 $63 $62
6YR $68 $66 $65 $64
7YR $70 $68 $67 $66
8YR $72 $70 $69 $68
9YR $75 $72 $71 $70
10YR $77 $74 $74 $72
15YR $89 $84 $84 $83

*GJ Company offered non-negotiated Rates

 

[TSA ERJ]

FlyHI
Please post the quote from the NMB that says GJ is not an alter ego carrier. You can't because they do not say that. And answer my earlier question, why would you be willing to talk with the TSA pilots to stop the whipsaw when you are one of the pilots that enabled it in the first place.

By the way, payrates are only a small part of a CBA, don't just post payrates, but compare the entire contract. Let's see all of the GJ workrules and other provisions compared to those at SkyWest, CHQ, Mesa and others you compare yourself to.

 

[redbook]

FlyHI
Please post the quote from the NMB that says GJ is not an alter ego carrier. You can't because they do not say that. And answer my earlier question, why would you be willing to talk with the TSA pilots to stop the whipsaw when you are one of the pilots that enabled it in the first place.

tsa erj you have a gift for brevity and clarity. All the nonsense put forth by g0jet pilots and a few messge board agitators.."its not our fault, the industry sucks" etc. dodges the main point. THEY WILL NEVER ADDRESS THIS POINT.
Dan K, Dave T and his ilk were among the least respected pilots at tsa and were pefect fodder to join with tsah management.

Now they show up here as defenders of the profession. Funny, pathetic, and sad all at once. But hey, nobody will remember in a few years, or so they keep telling us. Time will tell.

 

[N1FuelFlow]

I am watching all of this from a third party airline. From what I have gathered from working in the regional industry I think ************************* pilots steped on every other regional airline pilots head. A lot of people at GJ jumped the seniority list at TSA and now accept first year pay as a capt or fo at GJ, when eveyother airline has to pay higher rates for people with 4 and 5 years of senioity who waited there turn. So it seems to me when airline managment wants to drive down the pilot wage even more they can start up another company for everyone to come jump the seniority list and fly for 1st year pay rates. It really pisses me off, they won't be riding in my jumpseat. Best Regards. and good luck to those of you at GJ who have made enemies with many people in the industry!