GJ Hiring Captains and fo's

[FlyHIToo]

Need I remind you that the pilots representing the following companies have pledged their support:

1. UAL-The pilots who rightfully should be flying these planes and would be if it were ALPA,

2. Comair,
3. Eagle,
4. FedEx
5. ExpressJet
6. Mesaba
7. Air Wisconsin
8. US Air
9. Many others

That is hardly the few misguided TSA pilots and Zealots you refer to every post you have.

Come on.... So a pilot shows up at your rally, because he is an MEC officer, and Worth told him too, that makes a pledge of support?

UAL has a jumpseat and J4J aggrement with GJ.
USAir MEC told their furloughed pilots to go work at GJ.
Eagle, many of whom jumpseat on GJ from ORD and STL say screw TSA they screwed me.

By the way.... Have your heard from ALPA since they came to STL and kicked the hornets nest at that rally?

No.... Because they now know it is a lost cause and want the GJ pilots to organize under ALPA.... 2% talks. The NMB showed GJ is not even an alter-ego, They sited the CCAir MESA and Freedom ruling in their final ruling. Stating that "...there are no other similarities to the facts in the MESA Airlines, Inc., above, decision."
http://www.nmb.gov/representation/deter2006/33n009.pdf page38


Look at the people that have posted here. TSA pilots are against GJ.

Do you think these same pilots that post here from TSA will refuse to fly the 69 XJT planes or routes that TSA will most likely bid on in the near future?

 

[Smarta$$]

Smarta$$:

Your name says a lot.....

Re-read the post. In fact, re-read all my posts. G0Jets, Freedom, and yes, even NEWCO are all fine with me. It's called business. This business is this way and there is no stopping this craziness. Mangement is faster at finding chinks in the armor of the carefully designed ALPA shield.

I think the pilots need to stop this with a unilateral action. ALPA will never put their carefully padded bank accounts on the line....they would rather the mainline guys lose their jobs as long as a regional pilot will pay some dues....after all some dues is better than none. Now we will have pilots fighting for the scraps left in the industry and ALPA only cares that they represent you...(in other words) collect dues.

But it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see where this is headed. The USAirways guys allowed a NEWCO, why do you see the NWA guys as being able to stop it? Wake up. If the NWA guys don't get the NEWCO planes and flying, and scope it off being sold, it WILL be sold just like the MDA deal at USAir. Mangement uses the tools available to them. That is what TSAH is doing right now. Further, TSAH management knows there is a large supply of eligible experienced pilots to choose from, and they know there is a never ending supply of newbies who will fly anything for money. They are staffing the G0Jets certificate with separate pilot lists to combat the only weapon you have....which is staffing the G0Jets list with current TSA pilots and then using the parking brake and the logbook to make them pay attention.

The only defense to this is a complete SOS....which we all know will NEVER occur.

This is the airline business right now. If you don't like, maybe you can find another line of work. There are corporate gigs and charter gigs that pay well. Hell, if I had to do it over, I would have been an air traffic controller.


A350

So if you cant beat em join em ahh? So we should just except these things and not even have a dialog about how to improve things or who is causing the problem.

Tell me, why is it that you are so willing to except these things? Why do you take it upon yourself to speakout against those that want things to be right?

What is your motivation for this?

 

[h25b]

Tell me, why is it that you are so willing to except these things? Why do you take it upon yourself to speakout against those that want things to be right?

What is your motivation for this?

What's the motivation ??? There is none. This isn't about what's right or wrong. It's about the way things are. IT'S CALLED REALITY !!! Deal with it.

You're right, it is wrong and it does suck. But it is legal. And as such we have yet another regional airline.

 

[Smarta$$]

What's the motivation ??? There is none. This isn't about what's right or wrong. It's about the way things are. IT'S CALLED REALITY !!! Deal with it.

You're right, it is wrong and it does suck. But it is legal. And as such we have yet another regional airline.

So if it is wrong and it does suck,(which we totally agree) then lets all take some steps to rectify the situation. Can you see the benifit to having one pilot list from the standpoint of negotiations and whipsawing? ofcourse you can. So work from within and get both groups on one list.

 

[h25b]

So if it is wrong and it does suck,(which we totally agree) then lets all take some steps to rectify the situation. Can you see the benifit to having one pilot list from the standpoint of negotiations and whipsawing? ofcourse you can. So work from within and get both groups on one list.

I agree.. But that horse has left the barn months ago...

 

[Smarta$$]

I agree.. But that horse has left the barn months ago...

Nope, still and always a posibility if thats what both pilot groups want!

 

[BoilerUP]

USAir MEC told their furloughed pilots to go work at GJ.

You fail to mention the next day there was a special Code-A-Phone recanting such a statement and expressing strong support for Trans States ALPA pilots in their battle against alter-ego carriers.

BTW, XJ is Mesaba, XJT is Expressjet

 

[h25b]

You fail to mention the next day there was a special Code-A-Phone recanting such a statement and expressing strong support for Trans States ALPA pilots in their battle against alter-ego carriers.

BTW, XJ is Mesaba, XJT is Expressjet

I think just the fact that the original message went out spoke volumes... It was sort of like one day coming out in support of the Nazi party and the next day issuing a press release of condemnation...

 

[FlyHIToo]

So work from within and get both groups on one list.

OK... As APA said to TWA....
Since we have 777's and you only had 767's, had AA not bought TWA you never would have held 777 CA, so we will staple you in away that would never let you hold 777 CA prior to the staple date here at AA.

 

[Smarta$$]

OK... As APA said to TWA....
Since we have 777's and you only had 767's, had AA not bought TWA you never would have held 777 CA, so we will staple you in away that would never let you hold 777 CA prior to the staple date here at AA.

Three things,
1. This first of all would be fine considering you make less overall on your 777 than TSA pilots make on their little 767.

2. That is a different circumstance because TWA was a seperate company, not a company that AA created with seperate pilots to whipsaw and save money. You know this difference makes this an apples and oranges urguement so why would you use this example?

3. If not for pay, It really doesnt matter what kind of airliner you fly does it? flying your big 777 doesnt even factor into this unless you have SJS. (But this does give me a glimps of your SJS mindset)


It is clear by your tone that you have no intention of considering my suggestion. Thats too bad. I have a feeling if this does not get resolved soon, thier will be many gayjets pilots in a few years silently wishing they would have grouped the lists together.

 

[FlyHIToo]

It is clear by your tone that you have no intention of considering my suggestion. Thats too bad. I have a feeling if this does not get resolved soon, thier will be many gayjets pilots in a few years silently wishing they would have grouped the lists together.

I do think that the only way to over come whipsaw is work together. I and many others would consider your suggestion. It can be done with or without out one list. Long as the two sides work together.

However, sadly.... I, with 100% certainty, know that TSA MEC will never consider talking to the IBT on this issue.

 

[TSA ERJ]

FlyHIToo,
Don't be mistaken, the NMB ruled the two do not constitute a single transportation system. That has nothing to do with the fact that you are an alter ego carrier being used to depress wages at not only Trans States, but at all of the other regionals as well. You GJ guys are like politicians, you twist and spin to make almost any information sound positive for you. This decision in no way validates your pilot group or what you are doing to lower the standards in the regional industry.

 

[TSA ERJ]

FlyHI
We would be willing to consider it as long as it includes the staple of GJ to the bottom of TSA. Now you want to work together when you are the ones that helped to create the whipsaw?

 

[FlyHIToo]

Don't be mistaken, the NMB ruled the two do not constitute a single transportation system. That has nothing to do with the fact that you are an alter ego carrier being used to depress wages at not only Trans States, but at all of the other regionals as well. You GJ guys are like politicians, you twist and spin to make almost any information sound positive for you. This decision in no way validates your pilot group or what you are doing to lower the standards in the regional industry.

Freedom/CCAir were alter-egos. GJ is not anymore an alter-ego than ComAir is to DAL, or Eagle is to American. That is the ruling of the NMB. In their words, in their ruling on page 38.

Not that it is not undercuting, but GJ has done nothing worse than MESA, CHQ, or SkyWest. SkyWest is non-union and not trying to organize and flying 70/90 seaters for 50 rates. GJ makes more than MESA and the same as CHQ and SkyWset, without even negotiating.

I agree wages at all four are low. GJ can actually improve there postion soon as the NMB certifies their union and negotiating resumes. Your fight should not be just with GJ alone, but MESA, CHQ, and SkyWest too.

 

[FlyHIToo]

FlyHI
We would be willing to consider it as long as it includes the staple of GJ to the bottom of TSA. Now you want to work together when you are the ones that helped to create the whipsaw?

That will never happen, sorry.