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Getting the call from US Airways?
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Flybywire44
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Tweaker
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It is what I knew previously as a Jr. Man.
Get this - NO EXTRA PAY
NO LIMIT TO HOW MANY TIMES PER YEAR THEY CAN DO IT
LOA 93 is a massive turd!
Options - I think the number 45 was wot I remember. That means nothing, and they aren't about to spend the money nor increase domestic operations. My money is on getting rid of the 15 E190's when the next wave of economic reality crashes down upon our s*************************. <---S h o r e s is blocked?!? That ain't even close to prostitute.
Printing money not backed by hard assets - HOW DOES IT WORK?
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I'm not defending POTA - but really, you have to be an f'in moron if you actually get suckered into doing a POTA (when you don't want to).
ever hear of caller ID. further why even answer your phone if you don't know the number. further even if you answer on your day off and they ask you just tell them something like your in the middle of NY state hunting/camping whatever.
I may or may not have been called on this past Wed also. And I may or may not have been 10 miles off the jersey shore fishing.
POTA = non issue.
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"Kind of Weird" translates as "SNAFU".
As for Jr. man pay, the company is only shooting itself in the foot there, because they can't crew the flights when there's no incentive to ever pick up the phone.
We don't have "junior manning" pay because we don't have "junior manning". What some may think of as junior manning is called POTA (priority of trip assignment). Like junior manning, when a trip opens up they can't cover, they start at the bottom and call all pilots asking if they would fly the trip. They are not required to do it. If you just tell them you are unavailable to fly, they will say ok thanks and move on. But the best way is, as Lear suggested, don't answer the phone! Scheduling is required to identify themselves when they call, they cannot block their number.
What amazes me is their are pilots that actually pick these trips up...
BTW, there are no FO reserves on the Airbus in CLT or PHL today...
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We don't have "junior manning" pay because we don't have "junior manning". What some may think of as junior manning is called POTA (priority of trip assignment). Like junior manning, when a trip opens up they can't cover, they start at the bottom and call all pilots asking if they would fly the trip. They are not required to do it. If you just tell them you are unavailable to fly, they will say ok thanks and move on. But the best way is, as Lear suggested, don't answer the phone! Scheduling is required to identify themselves when they call, they cannot block their number.
What amazes me is their are pilots that actually pick these trips up...
BTW, there are no FO reserves on the Airbus in CLT or PHL today...
Enjoy that while it lasts. I'm not being an ass when I say that and indeed having scheduling call everybody looking for volunteers would actually be pretty sweet..but...the West use to have about 4 crew schedulers on duty at any time and the East had what, thirty or forty? When scheduling thinks they may have a problem with coverage, they "red-flag" it in open time. Means you get something like 120% pay or some such thing. If there isn't enough notice for that, they "tag" a reserve coming in at the end of a trip if the reserve still has duty time left. If not, they could "tag" a line holder but they get an even larger premium for having their tip extended, like 150% or something like that. However, most people suddenly are fatigued when they get tagged (surprise!). Either way, the West system takes a heck of a lot fewer crew schedulers to manage each day. (Again, I'm not saying it's better or worse, just cheaper to run)
Like you, I'm always surprised at people who are willing to whore themselves out...especially when the West still has guys on furlough.
FWIW, PHX is almost out of reserve FO's today. Plenty of Captains.
I just looked at the bus for July 9th. Twenty eight FOs available, and eleven not used. Twenty six captains available, and also eleven not used. I did not look at the Boeings though. I'm a reserve captain, and I can't buy a break in the action.
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That was my only point. I would happily do it, at certain times, given proper compensation. Instead, I would rather call out sick when I know they are behind the 8 ball.
I used to make $183 and hour at a previous job (triple pay). That is more than an A-330 captain makes here! I was all over that like a Democrat on my tax revenue!
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Really? Where did you see this posted ? I could seriously use one of these LOA's to explore other alternatives to this Charlie Foxtrot of an airline.
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I would never defend this AWA management team because they are as bad or worse than we've seen...but there really is some staffing issues coming very soon that might make some management pogue do some of these things. It takes about three months to take a new hire pilot to become a line pilot. If they get a line pilot to take a month off without pay while they are preparing for (but maybe quite hasn't happend yet) retirements/medicals/new duty rules and can get back that fully trained and current pilot in September then maybe it can explain it...a little. The LOA offer is for one month...August.
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But it did say to expect them to offer it for Sept. and Oct also. There might be some cost shuffling going on in the back ground too. They know they need the staffing but they don't need it right now, they need it in a few months, taking on the new hire, and getting some TOS f/o's to take a month or two off, saves them 50.00/hr or thereabouts per body. Not alot, but when 10% of the bonus program for your top executives is tied to Labor Costs, I'm sure they crunch all sorts of number long into the night to get those last shekels they can earn...
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If it were not for the those "east routes" 30% of the westies would be on furlough right now.
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weasel lips is his screen name dude, seems to me he is addressing him properly :laugh:
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Repeating a lie might allow you to convince yourself but it fools nobody else. The Transition Agreement sets the minimum block hours for the West so where we fly those hours is irrelevant.
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TWA;
Don't confuse the kids with facts. It ALL belongs to them, and they will sell us off to Republic very soon. They are deserving and entitled. If if were not for them "saving" America West...they would have been well on their way to purchasing a real airline like American and teach them how to do a merged seniority list.....
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