Georgia Sky Airlines @ AHN

[COOPERVANE]

I'm guessing there's FO's on these 208's? That's loggable?:nuts:

They're all logging PIC in the right seat on their leg

 

[crj567]

You only can log it on the part 91 leg... You have to be qualified as a part 135 PIC to log the leg with pax.

Assuming both legs have pax-which they often will-you would get to log very little time.

 

[shamrock]

How does it work with the Caravans parking at Mercury? I assume that people flying out of Maconga would be connecting to somewhere else, are they on their own getting to the terminal or is transportation provided?

And isn't Wings Air doing the AHN stuff with Navajos? They always seem to be taxiing from the terminal side instead of the FBO so I wonder why the Caravans don't do the same.

 

[FlyCMI]

You only can log it on the part 91 leg... You have to be qualified as a part 135 PIC to log the leg with pax.

Assuming both legs have pax-which they often will-you would get to log very little time.

Not the entire truth. 135.101 and 135.105 dictate that an SIC is required for operations carrying passengers and when the autopilot exemtion can be used. They would have to have been trained and had a checkride. So, they can log the time as both total and sic. (Can't use an autopilot instead of a SIC in a commuter operation unless the PIC has 100 hours in make and model)

 

[go!ng for broke]

What does it say about VFR captains??

 

[FlyCMI]

It would depend on what their Ops Specs are. I don't fly for them, so I couldn't speculate. (All my C-208 time came flying boxes for an outfit based in Columbus, Ohio) I didn't mention that before because I thought we were talking about IFR flights.

 

[G-force]

No Gate!!

How does it work with the Caravans parking at Mercury? I assume that people flying out of Maconga would be connecting to somewhere else, are they on their own getting to the terminal or is transportation provided?

And isn't Wings Air doing the AHN stuff with Navajos? They always seem to be taxiing from the terminal side instead of the FBO so I wonder why the Caravans don't do the same

.

The caravans of Georgia Sky/Pacific Wings park at Atlantic FBO on the north side since they have not been cleared by TSA and have no gate!!
The navajo's of Wings Air have a GATE!!

 

[crj567]

Not the entire truth. 135.101 and 135.105 dictate that an SIC is required for operations carrying passengers and when the autopilot exemtion can be used. They would have to have been trained and had a checkride. So, they can log the time as both total and sic. (Can't use an autopilot instead of a SIC in a commuter operation unless the PIC has 100 hours in make and model)

Check out 61.51....

The Logging of flight time is what's important to this issue. Sometimes there is a difference between who is required and who can log what.

Now-you could possibly log this flight time, IF the plane doesn't have an approved autopilot, and IF it is an IFR flight.

People need to be very careful with this one.... Some companies have an insurance policy which requires two pilots, even though the FARs do not. I am not sure about this outfit, but if they have approved autopilots, no one can legally log SIC at any time.

Many scumbag operations will tell all their young impressionable F.O.s that an SIC is always required, and they can always log that time..... Maybe so, maybe not-especially if an F.O. is only required for insurance purposes.

One thing I am certain of is that the Caravan is not a two-pilot type certification aircraft. There may be times when two pilots are required, but they are not required to operate the aircraft.

Be very careful with this stuff-it can cost you a job one day if the people looking at the ol' logbook really know the regs and you are logging incorrectly. Uncomfortable questions can arise.

 

[COOPERVANE]

Nah!

Log the whole thing 747 PIC.

You will be way ahead at the interview. SWA loves guys in the right seat logging PIC

It's tru!

 

[shamrock]

The caravans of Georgia Sky/Pacific Wings park at Atlantic FBO on the north side since they have not been cleared by TSA and have no gate!!
The navajo's of Wings Air have a GATE!!

So you show up in MCN 30 minutes before departure, get on a 45 minute flight, park at the FBO, and take 30 minutes getting over to the terminal and through security to arrive at your gate in ATL 45 minutes before your next flight. Even being generous with the time frame you're looking at 2.5 hours total when you could drive MCN to ATL in what, an hour, hour and 15?

The gub'ment could save a buttload of money if they only gave out vouchers for the Groome shuttle from MCN to ATL instead of subsidizing a Caravan.

 

[CX880]

No, that would make sense.

 

[go!ng for broke]

If two airlines service the same airport the sub. is not renewed..

 

[FlyCMI]

Check out 61.51....

The Logging of flight time is what's important to this issue. Sometimes there is a difference between who is required and who can log what.

Now-you could possibly log this flight time, IF the plane doesn't have an approved autopilot, and IF it is an IFR flight.

People need to be very careful with this one.... Some companies have an insurance policy which requires two pilots, even though the FARs do not. I am not sure about this outfit, but if they have approved autopilots, no one can legally log SIC at any time.

Many scumbag operations will tell all their young impressionable F.O.s that an SIC is always required, and they can always log that time..... Maybe so, maybe not-especially if an F.O. is only required for insurance purposes.

One thing I am certain of is that the Caravan is not a two-pilot type certification aircraft. There may be times when two pilots are required, but they are not required to operate the aircraft.

Be very careful with this stuff-it can cost you a job one day if the people looking at the ol' logbook really know the regs and you are logging incorrectly. Uncomfortable questions can arise.

I undersand 61.51. (See 14CFR 61.55 (f)(2)) Even if the airplane has an autopilot, if the captain didn't get the autopilot exemption on his 8410, or does not have 100 hours in type, according to the FAR's, carrying passengers, you have to have an SIC. If you are trained, checked and required per the operaions, you can log it. Even though the minimum crew is 1 in a caravan, if the operation (through ops specs or FAR's, not insurance) requires two pilots, you can log it as SIC.

 

[Papa Woody]

Flew over this li'l town in Georgia.

Had to pee.

Opened the door.

And so it was named: "Make on Georgia"

Closed the door and flew on.....

 

[crj567]

I undersand 61.51. (See 14CFR 61.55 (f)(2)) Even if the airplane has an autopilot, if the captain didn't get the autopilot exemption on his 8410, or does not have 100 hours in type, according to the FAR's, carrying passengers, you have to have an SIC. If you are trained, checked and required per the operaions, you can log it. Even though the minimum crew is 1 in a caravan, if the operation (through ops specs or FAR's, not insurance) requires two pilots, you can log it as SIC.

-You are correct, but many people don't understand what they are logging and why.... You have to make sure that these circumstances exist, and there are no exemptions to these rules in the ops specs.

Many people have no idea what they are logging or why. I have seen people with 250 hrs total time who logged part 135 PIC in a Baron..... No good way to address that should it come up in an interview-you are just screwed.

I would even keep a copy of the ops specs for years afterward-and take it around with you logbook when interviewing. This stuff will look fishy in a real interview, but once you explain it, the interviewer will be O.K.

Just be conservative and have a very thorough understanding of what yuo can log, not just "the C.P. told me it was O.K." to log sort of stuff....

 

[SpauldingSmails]

"Uh Chief, you uh gotta little uh somethin' there under your mouth."

Check out Captain Soulpatch McGee on their homepage...

http://www.pacificwings.com/gsky/gs/

Just keep pressing "home" you'll see him.

 

[go!ng for broke]

If I could start my own airline I would give a free razor to every VFR Captain I hired.....

 

[richav8ter]

If two airlines service the same airport the sub. is not renewed..

One flys from MCN the other from MAC (Macon downtown Herbert Smart.) does seem like a wast.

I tried to jump seat on these guys the other day, but no dice. So I paid the $37 bucks and rode in a nice NEW caravan all by myself up to ATL. No TSA hassel in MCN and it was pennies more than the van ride. (Prices were do to double the next day) I cool to be in the 'van again but I'm sure I had as much time in the thing as the whole flight crew.

 

[go!ng for broke]

Found this pac wings add on new mexico airlines's web site. These were (some still are) Pac wings employees..

http://www.pacificwings.com/nma/our-people.asp

 

[7574EVER]

Found this pac wings add on new mexico airlines's web site. These were (some still are) Pac wings employees..

http://www.pacificwings.com/nma/our-people.asp

That first female F/O was cute. I'd jumpseat on 'em just to meet her...