Georgia Sky Airlines @ AHN

[G-force]

What is going on with this outfit?Anybody know anything?

 

[JumpersAway]

It sucks. It's under the umbrella of Pathetic Wings (Pacific Wings) in Hawaii. The owner is terrible, and runs the typical scumbag outfit which preys on young and naieve pilots (I.E.- If you work the ticket counter for free, I'll pay you to fly). Only problem is, they don't deliver the flight time.

 

[crj567]

Sounds Classy!

I have seen these guys flying into ATL. They come from MCN etc... The funny thing is MCN HATED ASA!!!! They bitched and bitched for years about having to fly on a "little jet."

Now they are really getting what they deserve!

-Caravans aplenty, and they don't even park at the concourses!!!!

-EAT A BIG THROBBER, MCN!!

 

[johnpeace]

Their call sign is 'Tsunami'

I did my PP training on Maui.

We used to make fun of them on the radio by calling them 'Salami'

 

[CX880]

Isn't it quicker to drive from Athens to Atlanta? No wonder they're using crappy single engine 9 pax planes.

 

[johnpeace]

Isn't it quicker to drive from Athens to Atlanta? No wonder they're using crappy single engine 9 pax planes.

GA316 to I85?

That's about the worst highway route in the state!

 

[crj567]

It is DEFINITELY quicker to drive from MCN, but our idiot govt. is paying these clowns 3.3 million per year for Essential Air Service.....

-Money well spent, considering what a toilet bowl MCN is!

 

[Way2Broke]

While I agree that the company does not have the best reputation (for good reason I am told) but you guys are showing your "shiny jet syndrome" by ripping on the "crappy single engine 9 seat planes." Ranks right up there with my RJ is bigger than your RJ but you make 20 dollars more a month than me. I know lots of people that have flown vans for DOUBLE or more what regionals pay their FOs. Pretty sad actually. However, I bet that is not the case here.

I know it's hard to imagine, but there are lots of qualified pilots on the street right now, and alot of them refuse to apply at the regionals because the pilots have agreed to work for such a crap wage.

Those that live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

 

[G-force]

What About PIC/Pay, QOL,etc.

]It sucks. It's under the umbrella of Pathetic Wings (Pacific Wings) in Hawaii. The owner is terrible, and runs the typical scumbag outfit which preys on young and naieve pilots (I.E.- If you work the ticket counter for free, I'll pay you to fly). Only problem is, they don't deliver the flight time.

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If you work for them,what is PIC salary,SIC salary,benefits,QOL,hours flight time/month,medical plan,etc,etc.????

 

[regionalcap]

I looked on expedia and a roundtrip flight from Athens to Atlanta is $280. Block time is 45 minutes.

 

[Way2Broke]

Sounds about right. At least they have one thing figured out, they don't give away their services for a loss like the bigger airlines. It makes me sick. Here is a example: you can get from Ft Lauderdale to San Juan, and from JFK to San Juan for about 100 dollars each way one Spirit and Jet Blue respectively. The connecting flight on a 402 to St. Thomas is about 135 dollars each way. Cape air is hiring, what is Spirit and Jet Blue doing. I really like both of their products, and the service they provide, but when will airline management quit giving away the milk when you could sell the whole cow?

 

[WSurf]

Their call sign is 'Tsunami'

From the words of Dave Attell, "Tsunami is God's Money Shot".

 

[crj567]

I am not throwing stones at the PILOTS.

I am throwing stones at MCN!!!

-I have seen what kind of classless town MCN is, and their govt. should have been happy to have cheap air service on RJs for years. ASA even built a huge mx facility there, and MCN screwed them every way they could think of. A truly classless place...

MCN deserves crappy Caravans that have to park at the cargo terminal. They only thought they had crappy air service before, now they KNOW they have crappy air service.

There is no question that a sorry Caravan that has to park in a remote area with no connection to the concourses is crappy air service-regardless of who flies it or whether the plane happens to be shiny or not.

-EAT IT MCN!

 

[Way2Broke]

We agree on something, Macon sux. My fiance' was living there when I met her 4 years ago. She was flying out of downtown airport for RamEx. I think the entire town has a combined one set of teeth. There are some places north of town that are alright though. The area around the base that is.

 

[propsarebest]

MCN sucks... I went to college there.

Don't ask.

 

[Way2Broke]

MCN sucks... I went to college there.

Don't ask.

Were you studying to be a sandwich artist, or was it tire college? I hope you payed attention on lugnut day,

 

[propsarebest]

Close enough.

The only thing that I liked about living in MCN was the CHEAP cost of living.

 

[flyf15]

What kinds of planes do they fly?

 

[Full of LUV]

Are they shiny?

What kinds of planes do they fly?

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Are they shiny? Do they go fast? How much does it cost to fly one of dem?

 

[Citrus531]

I'm guessing there's FO's on these 208's? That's loggable?

Saw takeoff the other day in ATL on 27R....rotated before ramp 6 :nuts:

 

[COOPERVANE]

I'm guessing there's FO's on these 208's? That's loggable?:nuts:

They're all logging PIC in the right seat on their leg

 

[crj567]

You only can log it on the part 91 leg... You have to be qualified as a part 135 PIC to log the leg with pax.

Assuming both legs have pax-which they often will-you would get to log very little time.

 

[shamrock]

How does it work with the Caravans parking at Mercury? I assume that people flying out of Maconga would be connecting to somewhere else, are they on their own getting to the terminal or is transportation provided?

And isn't Wings Air doing the AHN stuff with Navajos? They always seem to be taxiing from the terminal side instead of the FBO so I wonder why the Caravans don't do the same.

 

[FlyCMI]

You only can log it on the part 91 leg... You have to be qualified as a part 135 PIC to log the leg with pax.

Assuming both legs have pax-which they often will-you would get to log very little time.

Not the entire truth. 135.101 and 135.105 dictate that an SIC is required for operations carrying passengers and when the autopilot exemtion can be used. They would have to have been trained and had a checkride. So, they can log the time as both total and sic. (Can't use an autopilot instead of a SIC in a commuter operation unless the PIC has 100 hours in make and model)

 

[go!ng for broke]

What does it say about VFR captains??

 

[FlyCMI]

It would depend on what their Ops Specs are. I don't fly for them, so I couldn't speculate. (All my C-208 time came flying boxes for an outfit based in Columbus, Ohio) I didn't mention that before because I thought we were talking about IFR flights.

 

[G-force]

No Gate!!

How does it work with the Caravans parking at Mercury? I assume that people flying out of Maconga would be connecting to somewhere else, are they on their own getting to the terminal or is transportation provided?

And isn't Wings Air doing the AHN stuff with Navajos? They always seem to be taxiing from the terminal side instead of the FBO so I wonder why the Caravans don't do the same

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The caravans of Georgia Sky/Pacific Wings park at Atlantic FBO on the north side since they have not been cleared by TSA and have no gate!!
The navajo's of Wings Air have a GATE!!

 

[crj567]

Not the entire truth. 135.101 and 135.105 dictate that an SIC is required for operations carrying passengers and when the autopilot exemtion can be used. They would have to have been trained and had a checkride. So, they can log the time as both total and sic. (Can't use an autopilot instead of a SIC in a commuter operation unless the PIC has 100 hours in make and model)

Check out 61.51....

The Logging of flight time is what's important to this issue. Sometimes there is a difference between who is required and who can log what.

Now-you could possibly log this flight time, IF the plane doesn't have an approved autopilot, and IF it is an IFR flight.

People need to be very careful with this one.... Some companies have an insurance policy which requires two pilots, even though the FARs do not. I am not sure about this outfit, but if they have approved autopilots, no one can legally log SIC at any time.

Many scumbag operations will tell all their young impressionable F.O.s that an SIC is always required, and they can always log that time..... Maybe so, maybe not-especially if an F.O. is only required for insurance purposes.

One thing I am certain of is that the Caravan is not a two-pilot type certification aircraft. There may be times when two pilots are required, but they are not required to operate the aircraft.

Be very careful with this stuff-it can cost you a job one day if the people looking at the ol' logbook really know the regs and you are logging incorrectly. Uncomfortable questions can arise.

 

[COOPERVANE]

Nah!

Log the whole thing 747 PIC.

You will be way ahead at the interview. SWA loves guys in the right seat logging PIC

It's tru!

 

[shamrock]

The caravans of Georgia Sky/Pacific Wings park at Atlantic FBO on the north side since they have not been cleared by TSA and have no gate!!
The navajo's of Wings Air have a GATE!!

So you show up in MCN 30 minutes before departure, get on a 45 minute flight, park at the FBO, and take 30 minutes getting over to the terminal and through security to arrive at your gate in ATL 45 minutes before your next flight. Even being generous with the time frame you're looking at 2.5 hours total when you could drive MCN to ATL in what, an hour, hour and 15?

The gub'ment could save a buttload of money if they only gave out vouchers for the Groome shuttle from MCN to ATL instead of subsidizing a Caravan.