general mills

[rufus]

I have a friend in msp who says his friend just got a job at general mills starting pay or 150k. I call B.S. on this. Can anyone help me out. The guy also was just a regional pilot for Mesaba

 

[TMMT]

If they're still flying Citation X's then yes that pay is a wee bit high for a newbie right seater...

 

[sydeseet]

I call major Horse S&%t on $150K to start in the X. Even as a street captain, which I doubt is the case, I can't imagine $150K in the door on a X. On a G550 maybe, but not on a X.

 

[K.V.]

I'd be throwing down the bull$hit card rufus

 

[Jetdriver69]

Good luck getting that on the Gulfstream too. It ain't happening at my house, especially for a new hire! I'd raise the BS flag big time on that one.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

Thats a very reasonable number for someone with experience that walks in as a PIC....but maybe a tad high for an F/O (good for him if true)

After doing interviews for a few years at a previous company I have learned that real world pay numbers differ from Internet numbers by about 20%.

150K is very average on a GV/Global with some time and experience, but sounds kinda high for a newhire FO from a regional.

Some also look at the number thier company may throw at them - bonus, benefits, stock etc...all BS....try and buy groceries or pay your mortgage with stock options..

FWIW most newhires I have seen in these types started at around 125K plus bonus (varied greatly) - but again these days bonuses should NOT be added in the figure.

Also, pay does not usually differ by type if a company operates more than one...

 

[semperfido]

concur

 

[AbOvo]

I can't remember is the X considered a Heavy Jet by corporate pay standards? I know the 604 is considered Heavy, would $125K plus bonus be normal for a non-typed PIC?

 

[semperfido]

I can't remember is the X considered a Heavy Jet by corporate pay standards? I know the 604 is considered Heavy, would $125K plus bonus be normal for a non-typed PIC?

Maybe I am out of the loop BUT,
what is a non typed PIC? no such animal in my world.

Citation X? uh no

 

[LRplt]

I personally find that a little hard to believe since 3M (Minnesota based as well) from what I have heard starts people out at 100k on a GV. I sincerely doubt General Mills would be paying that for a X, but of course my assumptions could be way off. If it is true then I am thrilled to hear a little bit of good news from the Corporate world.

 

[Hugh Johnson]

WTF is a non-typed PIC?

 

[TMMT]

No such creature in the jet world.

 

[flyzimex]

I actually know this individual, and I can tell you guys it's true. He's a very straight shooting and respectable guy and would have no reason to lie, he actually seemed a bit embarrassed to tell me. When he was asked to submit an expected salary during the hiring process he put a number a LOT less than they came back with, and he was in shock when he saw what they would actually offer him.

He's an ex 717 FO.

 

[Peardc10]

Pay

I worked with a guy at General Mills and he started out above 100k, but had a great overall pay package, with insurance, 401K match, profit sharing, etc. etc.

He was typed in the X, and had a lot of PIC hours and international experience.
I would believe the overall package could total 150K.

Good for Him!

 

[AbOvo]

Sorry ladies, here's what I mean by non-typed PIC....An individual applying for the job has plenty of experience but is not typed on the aircraft on property, the pilot will have to go through training for a type rating.

 

[semperfido]

Ok, I understand now. Many places will pay someone less to start if they don't have a rating and experience in that particular plane. They won't care that you have 10,000 PIC hrs in a DC9.

 

[AbOvo]

Yeah I figured as much seeing that school is a pretty big investment.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

Yeah I figured as much seeing that school is a pretty big investment.

Any outfit that pays you less because they have to send you to school is rather questionable.....same thing goes for only hiring typed guys - makes sense...skip over quality people to avoid a school bill...

Suppose you were a DA2000 captain and needed a DA900ex intitial...you should start at less money than someone with some time in a 900ex? - thats a good way to create a revolving door of pilots!

School is part of doing business, not a perk.

Rant over!

 

[semperfido]

yes, that's true too. Every place is different. Just sayin

 

[Gulfstream 200]

yes, that's true too. Every place is different. Just sayin

Yup.....flight departments aren't always known to make smart decisions....it is what it is.

These days my job is much easier...I just smile at the boss, say bye, and go home..