Gary Kelly Ain't Waitin' for the DOJ!!

[75M]

Basically, we have what we have and we don't want to lose it.

I completely understand because, believe it or not, I feel the same way. As an 8th year CA, I have a pretty nice setup. I'm a Sim Instructor and do some development work (I was full time AQP until 9/27) and all that will surely go away with this deal and I will be just another number. I hope you understand that there are pilots on both sides who are concerened about the outcome and its not simply a one sided windfall.

Mine's a '66 vert, 462 KRE Dports, SD "Old Faithful" hydraulic roller, ported aluminum tripower, ported carbs, tremec tko600 5 speed, moser 12 bolt......

It was a complete basket case when I bought it, and spent almost 9 years restifying it. It's mostly street driven, but I do take her down the track a few times a year. It runs high 7's in the 1/8 when I can get it to hook......

Jeez Louise, that's a bad ride. I'm on year 3 of my Resto.

 

[GuppyWN]

Please.... call me out on it. You're mistaken. I never completed a SWA application.

Probably didn't have the 1000 hours of turbine PIC at the time. Then you got comfy, upgraded and didn't feel like starting over.

Nothing wrong with that.

Gup

 

[Ty Webb]

Probably didn't have the 1000 hours of turbine PIC at the time. Then you got comfy, upgraded and didn't feel like starting over.

Nothing wrong with that.

Gup

You forgot the part about not updating my logbook since 2001 :laugh:

 

[madjack]

I am not sure the point of speculating on any part of this merger/acquisition but...out of sheer boredom...i have been reading these comments and with no vitriol intended, i was wondering what the 717/737 seniority dynamic is at AAI?

IMHO: SWA likes the 717 and will use it in the smaller markets (think the Texas two step)...SWA is getting 737-800 and will use them in ATL....so 717's may migrate out of the ATL area to be replaced with 737-800's...SWA does not like to spend money...so to keep training cost down the SWA 717's will be operated by "prior AAI" 717 pilots...

With all that said (and it is PURELY Speculation), will the AAI 717 bid senior or junior leading up to the SLI??

 

[texman]

I am not sure the point of speculating on any part of this merger/acquisition but...out of sheer boredom...i have been reading these comments and with no vitriol intended, i was wondering what the 717/737 seniority dynamic is at AAI?

IMHO: SWA likes the 717 and will use it in the smaller markets (think the Texas two step)...SWA is getting 737-800 and will use them in ATL....so 717's may migrate out of the ATL area to be replaced with 737-800's...SWA does not like to spend money...so to keep training cost down the SWA 717's will be operated by "prior AAI" 717 pilots...

With all that said (and it is PURELY Speculation), will the AAI 717 bid senior or junior leading up to the SLI??

If I was on the 737, I would stay on it. I can see the 6 leg a day west coast and texas two step going to some if not all of the 717's. I do see some tall fences on the 717, to help keep cost down.

 

[scarlet]

1700 pilots scattered over 7000 pilots.=REALLY= we are fighting over 100-300 numbers, and then scattered over 6-10 bases= YOUR LIFE NOT CHANGING.!!

Hope the unions and pilots can work it out.

SWA is going to want this done ASAP, and very little training cost.=2 year fence

 

[texman]

1700 pilots scattered over 7000 pilots.=REALLY= we are fighting over 100-300 numbers, and then scattered over 6-10 bases= YOUR LIFE NOT CHANGING.!!

Hope the unions and pilots can work it out.

SWA is going to want this done ASAP, and very little training cost.=2 year fence

Brother I can tell you it is. You have to look at the numbers in relation to age. If the list was to merge DOH or relative, the upgrades will be 20 + years. Plus half if not more than half of the AT guy's will ride the wave of upgrades and be in the left seat longer. It is isn't about now, it's about 10 + 20 years from now. I can tell you it is going to be a bigger fence than you think.(transaction agreement!) Plus even if two ops where fenced off, the AT side can't grow if they do SWA will grow three time that, per aircraft. If it goes to arbitration I trust SWA and SWAPA. GK just didn't wake up yesterday and decided to F his own people. We will know in a month what SWAPA and SWA is going to do.

 

[scoreboardII]

GK just didn't wake up yesterday and decided to F his own people.

No, he decided that when we voted down TA1.

 

[SWA/FO]

No, he decided that when we voted down TA1.

Yeah, we voted done TA1 and voted in TA2 which was for LESS money. He is really mad at us for taking LESS money.

 

[scarlet]

So how is your upgrade going right now for the next 4-5 years?

The 800s are going to be replacements not added to the fleet. CEO says no growth for 2011 2012 2013 for SWA just 6 months ago. Yeah upgrade with the purchase of AT, will start moving again SOON. SWA is not going (like DL with the 747 NWA guys) and allow for 500 guys to move off or downgrade so they can train 500 or more new guys on a new airplane. Not going to happen. Makes not one moment of sense.

The arbitrator is going to take in account Airtran has 50 737s on order and how would that effect a 6-7 year FO at Airtran, when SWA doesn't have any growth planned? We are not looking to rob anyone, just want to get along and be fair=guess for some people that is asking to much...Lets staple them !!! Why not staple us to the top of list. We have the worlds largest airport, one of the business travelers meccas.

 

[scarlet]

SWA is not merging with a company that is down and out. AT is a fierce competitor that is why they are buying them. Harder and harder to compete against AT=ask DL.

Delta is happy about the merger. DL knows the fares are going to inch up with SWA operating cost are higher then AT.

 

[roughneck]

CEO says no growth for 2011 2012 2013 for SWA just 6 months ago.

Have you seen the recent fleet plan for SWA? I didn't think so. It isn't available to view anymore since SWA asked for permission from the SEC to keep it confidential about a year ago. I don't think the growth without AirTran argument is going to stand up when the REAL story is told to the arbitrator.

 

[roughneck]

AT is a fierce competitor that is why they are buying them. Harder and harder to compete against AT=ask DL.

SWA and AirTran have less than 3% overlap and SWA does very well on these overlapping routes. SWA isn't buying AirTran because they fear them, they are buying them because it is a cheap way to get gates in ATL and a few slots.

 

[Kharma Police]

SWA and AirTran have less than 3% overlap and SWA does very well on these overlapping routes. SWA isn't buying AirTran because they fear them, they are buying them because it is a cheap way to get gates in ATL and a few slots.

I have been told by many at Southwest that during indoc or various company Q&As in the past, that the only airline that SWA paid attention to as a competitor was AirTran.

 

[madjack]

Scarlett said: "SWA is not going (like DL with the 747 NWA guys) and allow for 500 guys to move off or downgrade so they can train 500 or more new guys on a new airplane."

I agree, but the AAI folks flying the 737's could be integrated quickly...more quickly than their 717 bretheren (i.e. fence for training cost)