Game On

[skanza]

The TRUTH is that for nearly a decade any sensible half wit could look over the books at Flight Options and see that a LARGE majority of writeups occur in common locations, and many happen to occur at mx base airports, although we all KNOW airplanes don't behave like that in the real world.

I totally agree with you here.

As much as you like to insinuate and even declare that pilots have "agendas" related to where and when the report discrepancies, you are EQUALLY silent about the other half of the equation, aren't you Skanza? You are advocating your agenda just as surely as you are decrying the other. Hypocrite idiot. (this post intentionally written in the color of choice of the village idiot!)

To clarify, I do not advocate either carrying write-ups to a convenient MX base or writing things up prior to passenger legs. That's my position, and you can't change it. Never have I suggested carry dicrepancies, I'm just focused on the other half because that is the slow-down tactic. There, I addressed it.

Bottom line: Write it up where and when you find it. In the US, out of the US, empty leg, live leg, preflight, postflight, day or night. When you find it is when you find it, and that is when you are REQUIRED to report it.

And, I agree with you here, too.

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[skanza]

I never said we write a discrepency when a pax leg or it is an inconvienent place.. I will admit when I get off the phone with you guys and hear the frustration in your voice I do laugh my a$$ off on how you waste time on the phone by pausing and thinking--should I ask him to fly it? Or will he ASAP my name for pushing and end up in the mail room like the other stooge? Fact is mgt stooge-it breaks where it breaks.
The days of pilot favors are long gone and they will never return even if you paid me double a NJA contract. That bed was made by flops mgt a long time ago and now you get to sleep in it FOREVER! Why because thats the LEGAL and MORAL right way to do business. So it looks like you should get up from the OCC chair you are reading this in and go tell Mike to pack up his sh!t because he can't HANDLE THE TRUTH.
Mgt has created a group of pilots filled with rage against the unethical treatment of its front line employees. We are here till the bitter end-so learn to deal with it.
Now I KNOW that answered your question.

No, still not answered. I didn't claim that you said what's highlighted in red above, but this guy did:

Originally Posted by CALRepublic
Best time to check all 49 items:

1-Before a passenger leg

2-When aircraft is out of the country. Do a really good pre-flight in Bermuda or the Bahamas, that'll show them.

That's what I want addressed and am still waiting...

 

[skanza]

Cheers man. And seriously, "Don't do anything illegal for or against the company." Follow that mantra and you will be just fine.
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Come on, that line still? You don't need a union to tell you that. It's like saying you need religion to tell you to be a good, moral person. Both can be accomplished without the organizations mentioned.

 

[skanza]

Q: Why do fudspinners reek?

A: Because they're full of ...



Fischman made the motion; Gunfyter gave us the second and the majority of posters agree. With all the fudspinner's BS on the board maybe I need to switch to my black cowboy boots...

Ok, in reference to this and subsquent post: Don't you have anything of your own to say? Instead of massaging these guys? And I didn't think you had a dog in this fight anyways...

 

[fischman]

Cheers man. And seriously, "Don't do anything illegal for or against the company." Follow that mantra and you will be just fine.
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Come on, that line still? You don't need a union to tell you that. It's like saying you need religion to tell you to be a good, moral person. Both can be accomplished without the organizations mentioned.

Funny. I just re-read that post and don't see anything about any organization.

I was just trying to help. You might want to try it every now and then instead of flame baiting.

 

[gunfyter]

.... It's like saying you need religion to tell you to be a good, moral person. ...

You only need religion to believe that Good and Morality even exist.

 

[Fozzy]

b19,

A professional never rushes. Never lets the schedules of others affect their tempo. I guess you will never understand as you are not a professional pilot, just some paid hack.

Keep them coming.

You know at some point F&H will see what a chity job you are doing and have you replaced by some punk in India. You better get that resume in order. Maybe Hoffa will hire ya! He has a real eye for the future!:laugh:

 

[B19 Flyer]

b19,

A professional never rushes. Never lets the schedules of others affect their tempo. I guess you will never understand as you are not a professional pilot, just some paid hack.

Keep them coming.

You know at some point F&H will see what a chity job you are doing and have you replaced by some punk in India. You better get that resume in order. Maybe Hoffa will hire ya! He has a real eye for the future!:laugh:

Once again, you make the assumption that a pilot is the one that makes the mistake. Plenty of accidents have happened because others have made mistakes because THEY were rushing.

Everybody in aviation are professionals, and part of being professional is running an on time flight. I wouldn't expect a pilot conducting a union slowdown to ever rush.

I can envision everybody else rushing in an attempt to make up for the union-mongering pilot that thinks he's adding to his cause by writing up a deficiency using "union standards" vs. "industry standards." in a specific attempt to disrupt the operation to prove a point.

During those periods that others are rushing are when the mistakes are made.

Pilots are the last link in a chain of events. In a military drone, the pilot isn't needed. But, mechanics, fuel and planning are still required.

 

[B19 Flyer]

CS and FLEX-sorry that's 2. Per 100,000 flight hours (apples-to-apples). Breiling safety report-2007.

Thank you. You beat me to it.

 

[Fozzy]

So you have examples and references?

 

[ProFracPilot]

Everybody in aviation are professionals, and part of being professional is running an on time flight. I wouldn't expect a pilot conducting a union slowdown to ever rush.

THE most important part of being a professional in aviation is ASSURING SAFETY FIRST. If the professionals on the support team start "rushing" in an attemp to make an on-time departure, this increases the liklihood that errors are going to be induced into the system that could very well compromise safety of flight. It now becomes IMPERATIVE that the pilots slow down, check, verify, and ASSURE the flight is not only safe -but also legal - to depart. Being on time is indeed a goal, but not the primary goal. I'd place it at least third down my list of priorties.

 

[Busflyer]

I just have to say that after reading the first 8 pages of this thread I went and educated myself on that IGNORE feature and realized that reading ******************** on FI might have just gotten a lot more bearable. Don't get me wrong, the whole reason I come here is for a nice exchange of different views, but damn some of you are ********************ing one song jackasses!

B

 

[ozpilot]

You only need religion to believe that Good and Morality even exist.

ahhh ... no ..

 

[netjetwife]

Ok, in reference to this and subsquent post: Don't you have anything of your own to say? Instead of massaging these guys? And I didn't think you had a dog in this fight anyways...

Skanza, last time you challenged me to defend my position I submitted a long post full of factual information that had nothing to do with the others NJ folks posting here. Perhaps to answer your own question you should go reread it. Just because I joke around with friends doesn't mean I can't speak for myself. ... Actually, I have a solid reputation among the pilots for being well-informed and voicing my opinion of events in the frac industry. You don't think I have a dog in this fight... Not so. My family's income is tied to a frac company and it is in our interest to see the bar raised across the industry. The same applies to every frac family. CS families are a good example of how that works.

The FltOps pilots deserve support for trying to improve conditions in the industry. They have expressed appreciation for my posts. If you don't want to read them I suggest you follow BF's advice and make use of the ignore function.

More opinion: Low morale leads to lower productivity. It is not a coincidence that NJA and CS aren't having pacing problems in their operations. If the FLOPS upper managers were smart they'd follow the example of NJ and CS and pay their pilots like the professionals they are. Respected, motivated pilots are quite willing to go the extra mile and work as a team with management. Overworked/underpaid pilots get fed up and leave. Time for the FLOPS to offer the pilots a fair contract. It's ridiculous and wrong of them to expect to get a Ritz attitude when they pay Motel 6 wages.

 

[WabiSabi]

I wouldn't be surprised if B19's medical ineligibility is psychological. B19, just keep refilling the staplers and leave the profession to the professionals.