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[Metro752]

Actually they won't since they're not scabs...

haha, scabs, i scratch my scabs then eat them if they are big enough, mmm mmm

 

[redbook]

This whole board is a joke anymore. They ban guys like 2000Flyer but let idiots like yourself and Redbook roam free ? Amazing.

I missed you too buddy.

This whole board and everyone in the industry has the alter ego whipsaw airline g0jet and the scumbags figured out.

Keep trying to confuse the issue.

 

[redbook]

All hail the brave and powerful Jumpseat Warriors.

Impotence mixed with rage = juvenile behavior. You won't change a thing.

You are right, in one respect. There will always be POS like you out there.

 

[I_Love_Lamp]

This whole board and everyone in the industry has the alter ego whipsaw airline g0jet and the scumbags figured out. Keep trying to confuse the issue.

I am by no means trying to justify GJ pilots at all, but let's look (superficially) at why people dislike GJ:

1) Taking airplanes at lower pay rates

2) Undercutting "the cause" by having a second carrier owned by the same parent company fighting the other

3) One company furloughing while the other hires

Now, and again, I'm not defending anyone, will someone explain to me how it's different than what any of the regionals are doing to mainline? Specifically, Mesaba/Pinnacle and NWA, Eagle and AA, Expressjet and COA? My understanding is that these companies all have the same parent company...

Don't want to hear flaming, just curious as to how it's different.

 

[punkpilot48]

Specifically, Mesaba/Pinnacle and NWA, Eagle and AA, Expressjet and COA? My understanding is that these companies all have the same parent company...

I dont know about pinnacle and mesaba but XJT and CAL are two very different companies. The argument that can be made about AMR is that Eagle and AA fly two very different structures one is intended for larger aircraft(more experienced pilots) while the other one isn't. It wouldn't make any sence for AA to pick up eagle furloughs now does it? But eagle has taken in AA furloughs. Hope that clears something up.

 

[arthompson]

Really? Tell that to all the former AWAC CS and Ramp agents that now work somewhere else because they were FURLOUGHED effective 1 Oct 2005. I don't work for GJ. So before you call me a scab get your facts straight. Also you need to learn the definition of scab, no one is doing struck work.You may not like that GJ is flying but they didn't cross anyones picket line.

 

[I_Love_Lamp]

I dont know about pinnacle and mesaba but XJT and CAL are two very different companies. The argument that can be made about AMR is that Eagle and AA fly two very different structures one is intended for larger aircraft(more experienced pilots) while the other one isn't. It wouldn't make any sence for AA to pick up eagle furloughs now does it? But eagle has taken in AA furloughs. Hope that clears something up.

God, the formatting is all messed up tonight... Okay, I may have erred with XJT, not quite sure. Pinnacle/Mesaba and NWA remain my primary examples, however... I think it's a fairly valid analogy, but I have no problem admitting if I'm wrong. Thanks for the clarification.

 

[h25b]

I am by no means trying to justify GJ pilots at all, but let's look (superficially) at why people dislike GJ:

1) Taking airplanes at lower pay rates

2) Undercutting "the cause" by having a second carrier owned by the same parent company fighting the other

3) One company furloughing while the other hires

Now, and again, I'm not defending anyone, will someone explain to me how it's different than what any of the regionals are doing to mainline? Specifically, Mesaba/Pinnacle and NWA, Eagle and AA, Expressjet and COA? My understanding is that these companies all have the same parent company...

Don't want to hear flaming, just curious as to how it's different.

It's not different at all. That's my point. We're just supposed to all of a sudden redefine the term "scab" just because some of the TSA pilots say so...

 

[arthompson]

PCL is no longer owned by NWA and Mesaba never has been a wholely owned of NWA.

 

[Shrek]

Pot meet the Kettle don't you think ??? You wouldn't have any problem flying GJ's 70 seaters (if they were flown by the TSA seniority list) but you want to preach to us about scope ? .....

H25b......you said this right?.....

Preach to us?! Us as in your lil scumbag airline that is G0 jets.

OR you mistakenly think that they should be classified as professional pilots.....either way you lose.

I am sure you will come back and spin bubba - y'all have rationalized yourselves into a deadend job.

If all of you are soo proud of youselves why don't you show your badges in public or look up from your shoes when you walk.

ALL OF YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING.....

I have 20 guys you can try to convince that you are right.

 

[PCL_128]

The two situations are not similar at all.

1. NWA/PCL/MSA - The NWA pilots negotiated away scope language that allowed flying to be outsourced to regional airlines. No scope language was cirumvented whatsoever. They just gave it away by their own free will. No one to blame but themselves.

2. TSA/GoatJet - The TSA CBA clearly states that ALL flying must be done by TSA seniority list pilots. No scope was negotiated away as it was by mainline. This is an attempt by management to circumvent the CBA and to bust ALPA, and the GoatJet pilots are going right along with it.

 

[h25b]

Pot meet the Kettle don't you think ??? You wouldn't have any problem flying GJ's 70 seaters (if they were flown by the TSA seniority list) but you want to preach to us about scope ? .....

H25b......you said this right?.....

Preach to us?! Us as in your lil scumbag airline that is G0 jets.

OR you mistakenly think that they should be classified as professional pilots.....either way you lose.

I am sure you will come back and spin bubba - y'all have rationalized yourselves into a deadend job.

If all of you are soo proud of youselves why don't you show your badges in public or look up from your shoes when you walk.

ALL OF YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING.....

I have 20 guys you can try to convince that you are right.

Preach to us meaning those of "us" that read this forum... I doubt the pilots at GJ's could give a squat what you have to say and have demonstrated in by accepting employment despite what you think. I have invited you before to discuss this issue personally should you ever happen to be in my area. Those 20 guys should blame their management. The GJ pilots have nothing to do with it.

I think if you went through my posts over the past you'd easily figure out that I haven't been at an airline in years.

 

[oceandude]

It makes me sick to my stomach that many of you are using the JS as a weapon. Just remember something, what comes around goes around. Its the law of the universe. Now take a chill pill and try to enjoy your flying jobs and look at the big picture! Walkl in Peace!!

 

[punkpilot48]

Those 20 guys should blame their management. The GJ pilots have nothing to do with it.

Here is one that does.

But yet I sit and listen to people who say who cares TSA undercut AWAC, TSA stole flying from AE, oh I loooooooove hearing from the coex people that I'm furloughed because TSA didn't get their flying (this is when I like to remind them that every "line" they "own" is CAL's). And then, it's nice that GJ has shinny new planes and TSA is just jealous, GJ has done nothing to harm the job security of TSA. TSA should stop whinning no one cares.

The people who went to GJ did it for their own reasons. And because they didn't care that TSA ALPA was trying to hold a line in the sand they took those jobs. And now people who wern't even around when the decisions were being made have been the ones who've had to pay the price.

 

[TEXAN AVIATOR]

I cringe every time I hear you scumbags on the radio. You truly are the lowest of the low.

 

[ATTCS]

A few weeks ago I was climbing out of IAD heading for Swann intersection and a Gateway pilot was telling the center controller in no uncertain terms the correct pronounciation of his callsign. The Gateway pilot was definitely not happy. 'The correct pronounciation is GATEway, the other you said it is an INSULT'. He went on for about a minute or so telling the controller they 'should get it together, etc.'. At the end she (the controller) came back and said 'Sureeee GAYway 1234, contact ...............and next time report in at the correct altitude' with laughter in her voice.

 

[Smarta$$]

I am by no means trying to justify GJ pilots at all, but let's look (superficially) at why people dislike GJ:

1) Taking airplanes at lower pay rates

2) Undercutting "the cause" by having a second carrier owned by the same parent company fighting the other

3) One company furloughing while the other hires

Now, and again, I'm not defending anyone, will someone explain to me how it's different than what any of the regionals are doing to mainline? Specifically, Mesaba/Pinnacle and NWA, Eagle and AA, Expressjet and COA? My understanding is that these companies all have the same parent company...

Don't want to hear flaming, just curious as to how it's different.

You are way off. You need to educate youself, do a search

 

[I_Love_Lamp]

You are way off. You need to educate youself, do a search

Why don't you educate me? I've been lurking for two years here and I've read my fair share of GJ threads, not to mention knowing about 15 pilots at TSA. GJpilots.com even states essentially what I have stated.

 

[redbook]

... I doubt the pilots at GJ's could give a squat what you have to say and have demonstrated in by accepting employment despite what you think. .

And they will learn that many people in the industry care about those that join an alter ego whipsaw airline.

See? not complicated at all.

 

[h25b]

And they will learn that many people in the industry care about those that join an alter ego whipsaw airline.

See? not complicated at all.

Let's see... There are true scabs at CAL, UPS, FedEx, United, etc... Somehow I doubt many people care about these "pseudo scabs" as a select few like to call them...