G0jet Pay Scale

[h25b]

Ok, I can understand that calling GJ pilots "scabs" is -almost- a stretch, but this is a ridiculous comparison and I assume you know it.

Pleeease don't compare one company underbidding another with one company starting a whipsaw alter ego flying group in order to circumvent a CBA. There is no comparison there.

I'll grant you that there is a difference between someone crossing a picket line and someone going to work for GJ, but the impact they have is very similar and in the long run it could be just as destructive to the pilots at TSA and to the industry.

It's not "almost" a stretch... It's just not a fact. This is a cloud a ambiguity you've created for yourself.

And you said it perfectly when you said not to compare companies' underbidding each other with one company starting a whipsaw. The "company" has done you wrong and that is exactly who your anger should be focused at. HK has always been a snake oil salesman and TSA has always been an absolute stink hole. So how you all were surprised by the creation of GJs is a mystery to me and many others. Perhaps that will be how this thing gets righted ? Do you think that the GJ pilots will have it any better over time ? I doubt it. But then again maybe they have the same motivation to work for that rat as the TSA pilots did. Put up with it, gain your experience, and leave.

This whole situation baffles me on so many levels it is hard to quantify in a single post.

 

[BigLebowski]

No, TSA did not nor where they created exclusively to take Whiskey's flying or anyone else's. It was management moves and how the business works. But when you know dang good and well what’s going on there and then go and facilitate it, the word scab fits pretty well.


Too many of you guys sit back and cry about the proverbial "Race to the Bottom," but when a pilot group actively fights it, they get trashed for it. Unbelievable.

I agree with you guys and I feel for you guys. But it does not change the fact that G0Jet pilots are not scabs.

I support you guys, and wish you guys could shut that rat's nest down...but unfortunately we all need a job, just like the G0Jet pilots.

Everybody there needs to leave.

 

[Smarta$$]

I agree with you guys and I feel for you guys. But it does not change the fact that G0Jet pilots are not scabs.

I support you guys, and wish you guys could shut that rat's nest down...but unfortunately we all need a job, just like the G0Jet pilots.

Everybody there needs to leave.

Gayjet pilots could have accepted another job instead of a whipsaw alterego.

 

[redbook]

This whole situation baffles me on so many levels it is hard to quantify in a single post.

Your attitude is what baffles me.

How can you be so smug and cavalier towards people, some of who have worked for nearly twenty years at one company, through a great deal of adversity, only to find all that hard work being stepped on not only by their company, but by a few fellow pilots.

Oh, but according to people like you, the tsa pilots are the bad guys. Not one post from you condemning scumbags that would join an alter ego whipsaw carrier. NOT ONE.

 

[redbook]

I agree with you guys and I feel for you guys. But it does not change the fact that G0Jet pilots are not scabs.

I support you guys, and wish you guys could shut that rat's nest down...but unfortunately we all need a job, just like the G0Jet pilots.

Everybody there needs to leave.

Thanks for your support and concern.
But, with all due respect, the "we all need a job" statement as a cover for joining the alter ego whipsaw g0jet, well, lets just say I strongly disagree.

 

[Shrek]

Than why would you be salivating for the 15 airplanes that we have....I think your full of BS.

I don't want the POS CRJ 700 or 900............I want to keep TSA JOBS you idiot. Not HOLDING jobs......the real airline you spiky haired punk. GET A LIFE.

 

[IdRtherBsailing]

I don't want to sound like a broken record but refer to my post on page six when some dingleberry requested that I learn the definition of Scab. IMO its pretty cut and dry. THEY ARE SCABS!

No business in America is created with the idea of taking people's jobs...the whole idea is to bring a better service to customers....capture the market share by doing the same job better and possibly at a bit of a reduced cost....its called Free Market Interprise. You dont like it......than move to a Communist country. If not, than quit being such a hipocrit and shut your mouth.

I understand Free Market Enterprise but do you really call UAL's actions bringing better service to customers. Look at the Aspen Market now, those people are pi$$ed.

 

[rsspilot]

Gayjet pilots could have accepted another job instead of a whipsaw alterego.

Accept another job????? What kinda idiot are you? Nobody in their right mind turns down a jet job for industry average wages just because a bunch of crybabies cant handle the fact that they made the wrong decision.....be men and live with your choice.

 

[rsspilot]

I don't want to sound like a broken record but refer to my post on page six when some dingleberry requested that I learn the definition of Scab. IMO its pretty cut and dry. THEY ARE SCABS!



I understand Free Market Enterprise but do you really call UAL's actions bringing better service to customers. Look at the Aspen Market now, those people are pi$$ed.

Yeah your right, We all feel for the Billionaires in Aspen....they are the segment of society that always gets screwed.

 

[BoilerUP]

Accept another job????? What kinda idiot are you? Nobody in their right mind turns down a jet job for industry average wages just because a bunch of crybabies cant handle the fact that they made the wrong decision.....be men and live with your choice.

Scheduled block time only is NOT industry average compensation.

And guess what - according to Airline Pilot Central your pay is NOT industry average and is lower than 3 or 4 airlines' 50 seat rates.

 

[BoilerUP]

Yeah your right, We all feel for the Billionaires in Aspen....they are the segment of society that always gets screwed.

The "billionaires in Aspen" are the ones that allowed UAL to make a killing in the ski market. With the bean counters' decision to park the 146s and the CR7 being unsuitable for it, we'll see how long those affluent, profitable customers continue to use United buzzing around in the Dash. Its a good plane, but not ideal for the route.

 

[arthompson]

How is the CR7 unsuitable? SKW is operating them from SLC and DEN into ASE.

 

[BoilerUP]

How is the CR7 unsuitable? SKW is operating them from SLC and DEN into ASE.

How many pax can they take and meet performance requirements, especially when the weather is down? The number I heard was around 40-50...

 

[rsspilot]

I don't want the POS CRJ 700 or 900............I want to keep TSA JOBS you idiot. Not HOLDING jobs......the real airline you spiky haired punk. GET A LIFE.

You can keep your TSA job.....GJ hasnt taken any TSA jobs, we havent done any American Connections flights and we never will. The fact is that we have created many jobs for TSA pilots and some have taken them. Your just a ALPA nut that has realized your fate.....you have no power.

 

[redbook]

Accept another job????? What kinda idiot are you? Nobody in their right mind turns down a jet job for industry average wages just because a bunch of crybabies cant handle the fact that they made the wrong decision.....be men and live with your choice.

Nobody in their right mind joins an alter ego whipsaw airline.

Except a scumbag.

Thanks again for your posts. Every g0jet poster further illuminates what lowlifes make up your pilot group.

You will live with your choice to join an alter ego whether you like it or not, and probably shed tears over it as well.

 

[redbook]

Your just a ALPA nut that has realized your fate.....you have no power.

So sayeth the all powerful alter ego whipsaw scumbag pilot.

You talking about fate. Hysterical.

A pawn who doesn't even realized he has been used and his career progression will be much much more difficult.

 

[Shrek]

If caring for my fellow pilots in this industry and not putting ME first is being an ALPA nut then so be it.

Do you really think ALPA is a bad word? That is really a sad statement. I have my own mind and opinions and the fact that I can make a difference - if possible - keeps me walking tall in the terminal WITH MY BADGE FACED THE RIGHT WAY.

To just bypass seniority and slink to and from the airplane is NOT a way to live in my mind. To have a positive or negative opinion about unions is a personal choice but to KNOWINGLY take jobs from another is a different matter entirely.

 

[rsspilot]

So sayeth the all powerful alter ego whipsaw scumbag pilot.

You talking about fate. Hysterical.

A pawn who doesn't even realized he has been used and his career progression will be much much more difficult.

Once again Redbook, I am compelled to respond to you mudslinging, insulting, lack of substance rhetoric. GJ was about a man with a dream to move on to the equipment of the future....70 and 90 seat jets. Its about a man trying to position himself and his company to be successful well into the 21st Century. It has nothing to do with circumventing any contract because circumventing contracts does not exist. A contract is just exactly as it states....A Contract. If the terms of the contract doesn't emcompass certain savvy business moves than a businessman would be foolish not to act in a manner to position himself and his company...IE Tran States Holdings....in a manner to benefit both such mentioned. I applaud his business genious.

Now, this is where us pilots come in. Our responsibility is to ourselves and our families, and I believe the company that employs us, gives us the opportunity for success. If the company you work for doesn't provide you this opportunity than you need to move on. You need to quit blaming everyone else for you lack of success and focus energy to move on, instead of spending all of your waking moment crying about how everyone else is ruining your plans for success. If you dont have what it takes than maybe the airline industry isnt for you...you seem very unhappy with it anyway so I would suggest a career change.

Now, how has GJ benifitted pilots as opposed to hurt? Not a single pilot has lost a job due to GJ and many have been given the opportunity to advance their careers. GJ has hired many regional airline pilots that where locked into a position of which they had no hope of advancement. GJ has also hired many furloughed mainline guys that would be otherwise unemployed....how is this wrong. I see this as a positive because a lot of regionals won't hire guys with experience because they want low time....ie less than two thousand hours...Why? I couldnt tell you.

Pay wise...to say that one regional making a dollar an hour less than another doesnt lower any bar. U are not taking into account QofL and at GJ, as much as you will spread lies to try to discredit....the life is great. We are growing, taking more airplanes...pilots are getting upgraded and everyone is generally happy.

You can continue to say what you want...you are not hurting us, in fact a lot are messaging me to inquire about GJ and are very exited for the possibility of an interview. I encourage all to try to get on at GJ....it will be the smartest career move you could make.

 

[redbook]

Once again Redbook, I am compelled to respond to you mudslinging, insulting, lack of substance rhetoric. GJ was about a man with a dream to move on to the equipment of the future....70 and 90 jets. Its about a man trying to position himself and his company to be successful well into the 21st Century. It is nothing to do with circumventing any contract because circumventing does not exist. A contract is just exactly as it states....A Contract. If the terms of the contract doesn't emcompass certain savvy business moves than a businessman would be foolish not to act in a manner to position himself and his company...IE Tran States Holdings....in a manner to benefit both such mentioned. I applaud his business genious.

Now, this is where us pilots come in. Our responsibility is to ourselves and our families, and I believe in the company that employs us thus giving us the opportunity for success. If the company you work for doesn't provide this than you have no one to blame but yourself and need to focus energy to move on instead of spending all of your waking moment crying. Now your move may be to another airline...say Fed Ex, South West, or say Air Tran. If you dont have what it takes than maybe the airline industry isnt for you...you seem very unhappy with it anyway so I would suggest a career change.

Now, how has GJ benifitted pilots as opposed to hurt? Not a single pilot has lost a job due to GJ and many have been able to advance their career as many other regional airline as well as furloughed mainline guys. I would say this has really benefitted a lot of pilots and as we grow we will benefit a lot more.

Pay wise...to say that one regional making a dollar an hour less than another doesnt lower any bar. U are not taking into account QofL and at GJ, as much as you will spread lies to try to discredit....the life is great. We are growing, taking more airplanes...pilots are getting upgraded and everyone is generally happy.

Go ahead and continue to say what you want...you are not hurting us, in fact a lot are messaging me to inquire and are very exited for the possibility of an interview. I encourage all to try to get on at GJ....it will be the smartest career move you could make.

I will not allow you to ignore the hard work of TSA pilots who built TSH. Years of hard work, creating enormous profits for that "man with a dream" as you call HK. You come on this message board and gleefully boast of "upgrades" as TSH furloughs Trans States pilots. You are simply trying to draw more pilots into making the same mistake you have made:

Joining an alter ego whipsaw carrier.

That is not mudslinging. That is fact.

My favorite sign that you are without a doubt insane:

"circumventing does not exisit".

Watch as your career and pay become "circumvented".

 

[IronWalt]

What a bunch of morons. Fighting amongst yourselves over 20K a year jobs. Unbelieveable!!!

 

[redbook]

. It has nothing to do with circumventing any contract because circumventing contracts does not exist. A contract is just exactly as it states....A Contract. If the terms of the contract doesn't emcompass certain savvy business moves than a businessman would be foolish not to act in a manner to position himself and his company...IE Tran States Holdings....in a manner to benefit both such mentioned. I applaud his business genious.

.

Your quote speaks for itself. You are truly one of the lowest forms of life to have ever posted on this message board. You applaud a man stomping on his employees and you relish your opportunity to aid him for short term gain. You applaud the actions that lead to many pilots having smaller retirements, health care worse, family lives more difficult.

You are a man of low character and no moral fiber. A true bottom feeder. An exhibit for all the world to view.

 

[TSA ERJ]

rsspilot,
You and the other GJ pilots are tools of management and enablers in their efforts to harm labor. You are complicit and will not find many friends in this industry, other than opportunists like yourself. Your diatribe does nothing to change that. GJ is an alter-ego, whipsaw carrier and you personally have contibuted to that.

Let me ask you a question. If you are so secure in your decision, why do you feel the need to constantly try to justify yourself here?

 

[tomcash]

Scumbag.

Once again Redbook, I am compelled to respond to you mudslinging, insulting, lack of substance rhetoric. GJ was about a man with a dream to move on to the equipment of the future....70 and 90 seat jets. Its about a man trying to position himself and his company to be successful well into the 21st Century. It has nothing to do with circumventing any contract because circumventing contracts does not exist. A contract is just exactly as it states....A Contract. If the terms of the contract doesn't emcompass certain savvy business moves than a businessman would be foolish not to act in a manner to position himself and his company...IE Tran States Holdings....in a manner to benefit both such mentioned. I applaud his business genious.

Now, this is where us pilots come in. Our responsibility is to ourselves and our families, and I believe the company that employs us, gives us the opportunity for success. If the company you work for doesn't provide you this opportunity than you need to move on. You need to quit blaming everyone else for you lack of success and focus energy to move on, instead of spending all of your waking moment crying about how everyone else is ruining your plans for success. If you dont have what it takes than maybe the airline industry isnt for you...you seem very unhappy with it anyway so I would suggest a career change.

Now, how has GJ benifitted pilots as opposed to hurt? Not a single pilot has lost a job due to GJ and many have been given the opportunity to advance their careers. GJ has hired many regional airline pilots that where locked into a position of which they had no hope of advancement. GJ has also hired many furloughed mainline guys that would be otherwise unemployed....how is this wrong. I see this as a positive because a lot of regionals won't hire guys with experience because they want low time....ie less than two thousand hours...Why? I couldnt tell you.

Pay wise...to say that one regional making a dollar an hour less than another doesnt lower any bar. U are not taking into account QofL and at GJ, as much as you will spread lies to try to discredit....the life is great. We are growing, taking more airplanes...pilots are getting upgraded and everyone is generally happy.

You can continue to say what you want...you are not hurting us, in fact a lot are messaging me to inquire about GJ and are very exited for the possibility of an interview. I encourage all to try to get on at GJ....it will be the smartest career move you could make.

 

[tomcash]

What happened to the G0Jet Pilot website, why is it out of date?

 

[IdRtherBsailing]

Once again Redbook, I am compelled to respond to you mudslinging, insulting, lack of substance rhetoric. GJ was about a man with a dream to move on to the equipment of the future....70 and 90 seat jets. Its about a man trying to position himself and his company to be successful well into the 21st Century. It has nothing to do with circumventing any contract because circumventing contracts does not exist. A contract is just exactly as it states....A Contract. If the terms of the contract doesn't emcompass certain savvy business moves than a businessman would be foolish not to act in a manner to position himself and his company...IE Tran States Holdings....in a manner to benefit both such mentioned. I applaud his business genious.

Now, this is where us pilots come in. Our responsibility is to ourselves and our families, and I believe the company that employs us, gives us the opportunity for success. If the company you work for doesn't provide you this opportunity than you need to move on. You need to quit blaming everyone else for you lack of success and focus energy to move on, instead of spending all of your waking moment crying about how everyone else is ruining your plans for success. If you dont have what it takes than maybe the airline industry isnt for you...you seem very unhappy with it anyway so I would suggest a career change.

Now, how has GJ benifitted pilots as opposed to hurt? Not a single pilot has lost a job due to GJ and many have been given the opportunity to advance their careers. GJ has hired many regional airline pilots that where locked into a position of which they had no hope of advancement. GJ has also hired many furloughed mainline guys that would be otherwise unemployed....how is this wrong. I see this as a positive because a lot of regionals won't hire guys with experience because they want low time....ie less than two thousand hours...Why? I couldnt tell you.

Pay wise...to say that one regional making a dollar an hour less than another doesnt lower any bar. U are not taking into account QofL and at GJ, as much as you will spread lies to try to discredit....the life is great. We are growing, taking more airplanes...pilots are getting upgraded and everyone is generally happy.

You can continue to say what you want...you are not hurting us, in fact a lot are messaging me to inquire about GJ and are very exited for the possibility of an interview. I encourage all to try to get on at GJ....it will be the smartest career move you could make.

Hmmm. So if TSA got the flying instead of you dingleberries then seats would be lost but filled by the additional flying. From the same seniority list. If Ho Jet is hiring and TSA is furloughing how can you honestly say no one lost a job as a result of GJ...Your an idiot.

 

[FlyHIToo]

If GJ is truly the alter-ego/whipsaw airline the TSA Pilots claim it is… Why has ALPA National not said a word in over a year with regards to GJ? Why did Dario in his last phone conference to the pilots say... GJ is a dead issue... there is nothing more that can be done… we must move on. If GJ was busting the TSA contract, and the MEC truly thought the contract was in violation, then the MEC would not say “MOVE ON.” It would fight! The MEC knows they played their cards wrong. The MEC knows they were wrong in the handling of GJ!

The TSA MEC took the wrong position from the start. Maybe the TSA MEC should be recalled? Maybe the TSA MEC should work with the IBT to get through the future whipsaw that Holdings will inevitably dish out in the future?

Everything else is water over the dam at this point.

 

[redbook]

If GJ is truly the alter-ego/whipsaw airline the TSA Pilots claim it is… Why has ALPA National not said a word in over a year with regards to GJ? Why did Dario in his last phone conference to the pilots say... GJ is a dead issue... there is nothing more that can be done… we must move on. If GJ was busting the TSA contract, and the MEC truly thought the contract was in violation, then the MEC would not say “MOVE ON.” It would fight! The MEC knows they played their cards wrong. The MEC knows they were wrong in the handling of GJ!

The TSA MEC took the wrong position from the start. Maybe the TSA MEC should be recalled? Maybe the TSA MEC should work with the IBT to get through the future whipsaw that Holdings will inevitably dish out in the future?

Everything else is water over the dam at this point.

FlyHIToo,

You know that ALPA national stated that g0jet was an alter ego carrier. Do they need to keep repeating it? TSH followed directions and created a "legal" alter ego. G0jet is still an alter ego. Nothing changed from ALPA's statement of a year ago.

On one hand you say g0jet is a dead issue, then you follow up and say the tsa mec should be recalled, then you say the tsa mec should work with the IBT to battle the "future" whipsaw.

OH THE IRONY.

You covered a lot of turf, and took four different positions.

 

[redbook]

additionally, FlyHIToo,
I know the training dept is disgusted with the quality of pilots at g0jet, and maybe that doesn't bother you, but aren't you embarassed by the g0jet pilot posts on this board?

I still think you and Fuelflow are horrible people for joining g0jet, but at least the two of you aren't as offensive as the rest of your crew. Maybe you guys can do everyone a favor and handle the web propoganda and tell the others to shut it.

 

[TSA ERJ]

FlyHIToo,
I your first sentence you assert that GJ is not a whipsaw carrier but your last sentence says the whipwaw is inevitable. Which is it? You now want to work together to relieve the problems you personally helped create? You guys are real pieces of work.

 

[redbook]

FlyHIToo,
I your first sentence you assert that GJ is not a whipsaw carrier but your last sentence says the whipwaw is inevitable. Which is it? You now want to work together to relieve the problems you personally helped create? You guys are real pieces of work.

Just like an arsonist selling you fire insurance after he has already burned down your house.