G0jet Pay Scale

[Whale Rider]

That pay scale only works in Hawaii if:

you have a rich wife,

you have a rich Daddy,

or you don't mind living like a college student the rest of your life.

 

[D'Angelo]

There will be no consequences for G0Jet Pilots except an occasional denied jumpseat. Id say a good majority at cmr or any other airline either have no idea who they are or have no idea what they are for. The one time we did have a G0jet jumpseater in CVG the captain approved then turned to me and said who the heck is G0Jet. I just said some new airline apparently. The cockpit is never a place to get all angry about this juvenille crap. The court ruled against ALPOs single carrier attempt now they are just angry about it. What about that thread where you guys were talking about living with the court decisions? I thought it was Americans scope clause that required the starting of a new certificate? The fact is a large amount of people out there don't know or care who GJ is. When interview time comes it will be based on how you do in the interview not who you worked for. It may not be fair but then again when was the last time life was fair? A scope clause saying you cant fly any airframe over X amount of seats for any airline is simply insane. Its one thing to limit how many seats fly under Americans code share but to limit TSA saying they cant fly X number of seats with anyone? Simply ridiculous. If a scope clause is as easy as making a new certificate to get around then its a worthless clause anyway. Perhaps you should start blaming ALPO/APA for all this. They are the ones who created these ridiculous clauses to begin with.

 

[I_Love_Lamp]

That pay scale only works in Hawaii if:

you have a rich wife,

you have a rich Daddy,

or you don't mind living like a college student the rest of your life.

Good thing GJ is based out of STL then, eh? You're thinking of Mesa's "Go", not to be confused with GJ.

 

[redbook]

Let's see... There are true scabs at CAL, UPS, FedEx, United, etc... Somehow I doubt many people care about these "pseudo scabs" as a select few like to call them...

I guess then being a scab is ok then since there are some at those airlines? Is that what you are saying?

I never called them scabs. They are scumbags that joined an alter ego whipsaw airline and knew what they were doing.

 

[h25b]

I guess then being a scab is ok then since there are some at those airlines? Is that what you are saying?

I never called them scabs. They are scumbags that joined an alter ego whipsaw airline and knew what they were doing.

You say that if someone accepts a job at GJ's it will limit their career and people will remember while at the same time there are indeed true scabs flying everywhere.

Being a true scab is inexcusable, no arguement here. You don't call them scabs but we're supposed to treat them as such ? Let me get this straight, the NMB sees nothing wrong with GJ, the Teamsters obviously don't, ALPA's silence has been deafening since the NMB ruling, and GJ's is getting 5 additional airframes (I think that was the number I read in AIN)... Who's that leave ?

 

[redbook]

You say that if someone accepts a job at GJ's it will limit their career and people will remember while at the same time there are indeed true scabs flying everywhere.

Being a true scab is inexcusable, no arguement here. You don't call them scabs but we're supposed to treat them as such ? Let me get this straight, the NMB sees nothing wrong with GJ, the Teamsters obviously don't, ALPA's silence has been deafening since the NMB ruling, and GJ's is getting 5 additional airframes (I think that was the number I read in AIN)... Who's that leave ?

h25b, I think you are finally being fair in this post. Everything you post is true.

My rebuttal.
1. NMB - G0jet and TSH simply learned from the Mesa/freedom issue and created a "legal" alter ego carrier. Does that change what g0jet is? No.

2. Teamsters - Their actions with g0jet have been an embarassment to other carriers that are represented by the Teamsters.

3. ALPA - Don't get me started.

4. Additional airframes for g0jet - If g0jet was receiving 500 airplanes that wouldn't change a thing.

Yes it is an uphill battle for tsa pilots. Does that mean that the cause is not just, simply because the road is hard? It doesn't mean that pilots throughout the industry cannot see that TSA pilots are doing the right thing. Pilots that have joined the alter ego whipsaw carrier g0jet deserve their sorry fate.

 

[jetfo]

GJ payscale

G0JET PAY SCALE
http://www.airlinepilotcentral.info/airlines/regional.html


YA WE ARE SCHEULE NOT BLOCK OR BETTER, BUT IT COMING



We as most of you know G0JET finish up last week negotiations with management, things went very smooth. We currently have TA 90% of are contract, with only compensation and scope left. For those that don’t know most of are work rules came from Horizon Air contract. With the other coming from Republic Airlines, everyone will have a chance to vote at the conclusion on our negotiations, hopefully we will be holding a vote in next 6 months, with our goals of having a contract by the first of the year. The rest of this info can be found on the lounge.
Thanks

As much as I hate to admit it, it is better than Mesa and several others, both in first year pay, per diem and third year FO and first year captain pay. Go Teamsters!

 

[h25b]

Does that change what g0jet is? No.

It is what it is.... There's no secret what at least some of the motivation for GJ's creation was but all of the channels to resolve it to a suitable conclusion (at least for you) have been exhausted save one. That is to broker some type of deal during your new contract negotiations. I'd have to say that it's a long shot. I am not even sure that is possible now that the Teamsters have represented the GJ group.

I just think the route your taking is going nowhere and it's a bit unrealistic to think that you can scare away current and prospective GJ pilots when the majority of people on the outside looking in could care less. History has proven this.

 

[redbook]

It is what it is.... There's no secret what at least some of the motivation for GJ's creation was but all of the channels to resolve it to a suitable conclusion (at least for you) have been exhausted save one. That is to broker some type of deal during your new contract negotiations. I'd have to say that it's a long shot. I am not even sure that is possible now that the Teamsters have represented the GJ group.

I just think the route your taking is going nowhere and it's a bit unrealistic to think that you can scare away current and prospective GJ pilots when the majority of people on the outside looking in could care less. History has proven this.

I agree with much of what you write. However we are not trying to scare away g0jet pilots. It would be dishonest not to express our true feelings on the alter ego whipsaw. I also disagree with the lessons you are drawing from history.

History has shown, that this is a very small community in our particular industry. People have been held accountable for the choices they have made. Perhaps not every commercial pilot is aware of g0jet or as you have stated on numerous occasions, even cares. Each individual who chooses to join an alter ego whipsaw carrier has to live with their own decision. And yes, I believe that many of them will find their future career path affected by the stain of the alter ego g0jet airlines.

 

[johndt]

As much as I hate to admit it, it is better than Mesa and several others, both in first year pay, per diem and third year FO and first year captain pay. Go Teamsters!

The Teamsters have nothing to do with the payscale, genius. Those are the "introductory" rates. My best guess is that TSA will have been on strike and negotiated a new payscale before G J pilots are released for some self-helpin' of their own... unless, of course, the Teamsters represent them as well as they do our FAs, and then the negotiations probably -will- go very smoothly.

 

[h25b]

The Teamsters have nothing to do with the payscale, genius. Those are the "introductory" rates. My best guess is that TSA will have been on strike and negotiated a new payscale before G J pilots are released for some self-helpin' of their own... unless, of course, the Teamsters represent them as well as they do our FAs, and then the negotiations probably -will- go very smoothly.

The company's payrates offered before collective bargaining are in line with Comair's 70 seat rates although there are work rule differences that come in to play. It's too early to tell how negotiations would play out but I doubt they will go with any more success than TSA's. Bad time to be asking for a raise. I'd say if they could just get a 401K match and block or better they'd be lucky.

 

[BigLebowski]

I know this is going to stir the pot, and I will say upfront that I am completely against the whole G0Jet creation...but...

The pilots at Trans States Airlines were offered the G0Jet flying, at a horrible rate of course; no different than the current rates they fly the 145 for. Wonderful ALPA put out a vote, and they voted it down. In that Trans States Holdings offered a contract extension for 4 years, in return they would be able to fly the 70 seat a/c. Therefore, you cannot call a G0Jet pilot a scab, you guys were offered the flying...you turned it down, what did you think management was going to do...get scared, offer you ASA rates, c'mon. Trans States Holdings is a privately owned company, they are the smallest company in the nation that flies jets and some of you guys have the ego that you deserve FedEx rates. If you don't like it there leave, quit complaining.

I am disgusted at the current pay rates, and when I want a raise my company has to compete with G0Jets, and because of that I don't see a raise...you don't see me whining.

If it's really that bad you'd do something about it like...LEAVE AND NEVER LOOK BACK!!!

...fire away

 

[redbook]

...fire away

No need. Your post speaks for itself.

We should have folded right? No thanks.

 

[oceandude]

well said lebowski!

 

[jersey]

your still fcuking scabs

 

[dardar]

No need. Your post speaks for itself.

We should have folded right? No thanks.

Well, you should have at least put a thought through management's mind that the company would go under if they didn't increase the rates.

I just don't see how simply saying "no" has any kind of bargaining power. OF COURSE they're going to find someone else to do the CRJ flying when you guys are agreeing to fly the ERJ like you're already doing at the same rate. What did they have to lose?

 

[temcgrew]

I know this is going to stir the pot, and I will say upfront that I am completely against the whole G0Jet creation...but...

The pilots at Trans States Airlines were offered the G0Jet flying, at a horrible rate of course; no different than the current rates they fly the 145 for. Wonderful ALPA put out a vote, and they voted it down. In that Trans States Holdings offered a contract extension for 4 years, in return they would be able to fly the 70 seat a/c. Therefore, you cannot call a G0Jet pilot a scab, you guys were offered the flying...you turned it down, what did you think management was going to do...get scared, offer you ASA rates, c'mon. Trans States Holdings is a privately owned company, they are the smallest company in the nation that flies jets and some of you guys have the ego that you deserve FedEx rates. If you don't like it there leave, quit complaining.

I am disgusted at the current pay rates, and when I want a raise my company has to compete with G0Jets, and because of that I don't see a raise...you don't see me whining.

If it's really that bad you'd do something about it like...LEAVE AND NEVER LOOK BACK!!!

...fire away

And if we would have voted in the contract, all of you blow hards would be on here yelling and screaming about how we caved and are winning the proverbial race to the bottom.

Trust me on this one, there are alot of guys leaving TSA. I love it when people come out and say "if you don't like it then leave". I've been putting my resume's out there and applying like crazy. For the 20 Furloughed TSA pilots, they had no choice and are better off for it. I wish I could snap my fingers and get offered a better job, but so do about 5,000 other pilots out there competing for the same jobs at better airlines.

D'angelo, why are you the most outspoken person on here criticizing the TSA pilots? You sound more like a TSH management type or a G0jet wannabe. Attack the pilot group, good tactic. All we did (I voted yes) was vote down one attempt at a one sided negotiation that we wouldn't win either way.
Quit rubbing salt in the wound of the TSA pilot group.

 

[IdRtherBsailing]

Really? Tell that to all the former AWAC CS and Ramp agents that now work somewhere else because they were FURLOUGHED effective 1 Oct 2005. I don't work for GJ. So before you call me a scab get your facts straight. Also you need to learn the definition of scab, no one is doing struck work.You may not like that GJ is flying but they didn't cross anyones picket line.

First: I never implied you worked for GJ nor did I call you a scab. I was stating my opinion of GJ and the quote was in relation to the furloughs. I thought you were speaking of pilots. Also speaking of the rampers and agents, they were not replaced by GJ workers. AWAC simply lost the bid on that work where the contract was due to expire anyway. AWAC still has alot of ground work with UAL. Anyway I truly appologize if you thought I was calling you a GJ Scab.

Second you wanted me to get my facts straight and learn the definition of SCAB..here it is buddy, direct from websters.

Main Entry: 1scab [URL="http://www.m-w.com/images/audio.gif"]http://www.m-w.com/images/audio.gif[/URL]
Pronunciation: 'skab
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, of Scandinavian origin; akin to Old Swedish skabbr scab; akin to Old English sceabb scab, Latin scabere to scratch -- more at [SIZE=-1]SHAVE[/SIZE]
1 : scabies of domestic animals
2 : a crust of hardened blood and serum over a wound
3 a : a contemptible person b (1) : a worker who refuses to join a labor union (2) : a union member who refuses to strike or returns to work before a strike has ended (3) : a worker who accepts employment or replaces a union worker during a strike (4) : one who works for less than union wages or on nonunion terms
4 : any of various bacterial or fungus diseases of plants characterized by crustaceous spots; also : one of the spots http://www.m-w.com/images/pixt.gif

http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/scab

Get your facts straight.

 

[temcgrew]

Definitions change with time. Before unions came into being, the word scab had no meaning in relation with working class people. When the time came, webster put it in as a new meaning. It would be my uneducated guess that at the time the definition was put out for the times, no one would have ever dreamed that a company would start another one in the manner that TSH did and use it to circumvent union workers.
On this point I would say that the term does apply to these pilots. In the spirit of the defining the word, I say amend it because the result of them accepting employment is hurting pilots already employed by Trans States Holdings. The fact of the matter is that TRANS STATES HOLDINGS is Furloughing pilots and at the same time trying to hire pilots.

Other than that, I could care less what the definition says in any dictionary. Heck the word "jedi" is currently defined in websters dictionary.

Why are so many of you here attacking the TSA pilots? You say you don't work for g0jet, so why so much passion on the offensive against guys who are being hurt for no other reason that greedy management that do not honor contracts anyway?

 

[IdRtherBsailing]

Definitions change with time. Before unions came into being, the word scab had no meaning in relation with working class people. When the time came, webster put it in as a new meaning. It would be my uneducated guess that at the time the definition was put out for the times, no one would have ever dreamed that a company would start another one in the manner that TSH did and use it to circumvent union workers.
On this point I would say that the term does apply to these pilots. In the spirit of the defining the word, I say amend it because the result of them accepting employment is hurting pilots already employed by Trans States Holdings. The fact of the matter is that TRANS STATES HOLDINGS is Furloughing pilots and at the same time trying to hire pilots.

Other than that, I could care less what the definition says in any dictionary. Heck the word "jedi" is currently defined in websters dictionary.

Why are so many of you here attacking the TSA pilots? You say you don't work for g0jet, so why so much passion on the offensive against guys who are being hurt for no other reason that greedy management that do not honor contracts anyway?

I agree with you. Definitions do change over time. So define it yourself with common sense or as art requested look at the actual definition. They are scabs.

 

[oceandude]

and you are still ia moron jersey!

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Does everyone at GøJets speak such broken english you scum sucking douchbag?

Come on guys, it's hard to type accurately while you are being pounded in the a$$ and being teabagged at the same time. It's too bad they all enjoy it so much.
PBR

 

[Shrek]

We don't have to lower ourselves to G0 Jet levels of maturity and professionalism.......but I can understand the occasional slipup - I am guilty of this myself.

Scumbags

 

[BigLebowski]

Nobody is rubbing salt in the wound of TSA pilots. You should have known that management was going to start G0Jets without you accepting their offer. Common sense then would lead you to believe that you should have taken the deal and then did a strike when that contract expired.

As far as finding another job...I know many that have left other regionals to start over at good places, Captains included.

I'm just tired of hearing that G0jet pilots are scabs...I don't like them, or agree with them, but they are not scabs. Yeah they took your jobs, but guess what...TSA took jobs from Air Willy, SkyWest, Eagle, do you see me on here calling TSA pilots scabs? Oh I almost forgot how happy everybody there got when you found out you might be getting ExpressJet's flying...Trans States pilots...does that make you scabs? Because at one time the majority of the routes you fly belonged to other people, HK just underbid them.

-out

 

[Turkey Shoot]

I'm just tired of hearing that G0jet pilots are scabs...I don't like them, or agree with them, but they are not scabs. Yeah they took your jobs, but guess what...TSA took jobs from Air Willy, SkyWest, Eagle, do you see me on here calling TSA pilots scabs? Oh I almost forgot how happy everybody there got when you found out you might be getting ExpressJet's flying...Trans States pilots...does that make you scabs? Because at one time the majority of the routes you fly belonged to other people, HK just underbid them.

-out

No, TSA did not nor where they created exclusively to take Whiskey's flying or anyone else's. It was management moves and how the business works. But when you know damn good and well what’s going on there and then go and facilitate it, the word scab fits pretty well.


Too many of you guys sit back and cry about the proverbial "Race to the Bottom," but when a pilot group actively fights it, they get trashed for it. Unbelievable.

 

[Shrek]

Big Lebowski........."Oh I almost forgot how happy everybody there got when you found out you might be getting ExpressJet's flying...Trans States pilots...does that make you scabs?"

I call BS on this one........everybody here were NOT salivating at the mouth for that flying.

 

[rsspilot]

No, TSA did not nor where they created exclusively to take Whiskey's flying or anyone else's. It was management moves and how the business works. But when you know dang good and well what’s going on there and then go and facilitate it, the word scab fits pretty well.


Too many of you guys sit back and cry about the proverbial "Race to the Bottom," but when a pilot group actively fights it, they get trashed for it. Unbelievable.

No business in America is created with the idea of taking people's jobs...the whole idea is to bring a better service to customers....capture the market share by doing the same job better and possibly at a bit of a reduced cost....its called Free Market Interprise. You dont like it......than move to a Communist country. If not, than quit being such a hipocrit and shut your mouth.

All the crying in the world isnt going to change the fact that this is the greatest country in the world and if a guy wants to buy some airplanes and earn a livliehood as well as employ several hundred workers than he is doing a great service. By the way, he can have who the hell ever he wants to fly HIS airplanes. YOU didnt buy them!!!!!

 

[rsspilot]

Big Lebowski........."Oh I almost forgot how happy everybody there got when you found out you might be getting ExpressJet's flying...Trans States pilots...does that make you scabs?"

I call BS on this one........everybody here were NOT salivating at the mouth for that flying.

Than why would you be salivating for the 15 airplanes that we have....I think your full of BS.

 

[johndt]

Than why would you be salivating for the 15 airplanes that we have....I think your full of BS.

I believe his point, scab, was that nobody at TSA wanted to see Expressjet lose that flying, and everybody was happy to hear that they were going to keep the jets.

There is a feeling of brotherhood in a lot of the airline industry that you will be missing out on.

 

[johndt]

TSA took jobs from Air Willy, SkyWest, Eagle, do you see me on here calling TSA pilots scabs?

Ok, I can understand that calling GJ pilots "scabs" is -almost- a stretch, but this is a ridiculous comparison and I assume you know it.

Pleeease don't compare one company underbidding another with one company starting a whipsaw alter ego flying group in order to circumvent a CBA. There is no comparison there.

I'll grant you that there is a difference between someone crossing a picket line and someone going to work for GJ, but the impact they have is very similar and in the long run it could be just as destructive to the pilots at TSA and to the industry.