SilverSurfer
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Dude you are way out there
WTF over!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dude are you drunk when you sit down your computer???? What you write is abstract, disconnected and irrelevant. And dude learn how to use you spell check.
“without a union? There's absolutly no way there can be happy emplyees or a successful company”
I have not seen anyone use absolutes such as never, not possible, or no way can a company operate without a Union on this or any board. We have been speaking of Flight Options and the history that has transpired at our company not some arbitrary, hypothetical, in a perfect world company. What we have learned is that a Union is essential at Options. We have learned from experience, by the abuses that have been laid on us, by the incompetent management that occupied top management levels until recently, and still permeates middle management. In a perfect world I don’t believe any of us would choose Union over non Union. Options has proven to us that we do not live in that perfect world and we need protections from these imperfect management we are stuck with.
“And management is always wrong and always against the employee? Is that that basis of what you're saying?”
The management of Options for the past 5 years has been an abstract failure. When every other Fractional has grown by double digits, we have shrunk by 50%, this can only be attributed to pi$$ poor incompetent management. You want to blame the Union for what ails Options ignoring the fact that its management that’s responsible for every problem we have. Has management had a draconian predisposition toward abusing our pilots? Yes they have. They have repeatedly exhibited it over the past 3 years through productivity reviews, through reliability reviews, through repeated disciplinary meetings designed to intimidate pilots into submission, through firing pilots, 68 at one time, in order to try and scare the remaining the pilots into submission. So yes that is what I’m saying. Options upper management exercised a systematic campaign of abuse of our pilots and the gutless middle managers we still have tolerated it and enabled it.
“If you think that, you're unbelieveable but a good example of one who's stuck on a dogmatic principle of the way things should be and suffers from the inherent limitations of this narrow way of thinking. Kinda like religion, but I digress...”
Dude you have gone far beyond digression. You are way out there. Was this supposed to be a coherent thought? Could have fooled me.
“Where as, I have admitted that the need for a union has existed and may still in some instances, but you folks have never entertained an idea other that a union.
Typical.”
Clearly Unions and collective bargaining are not appropriate in all management vs. labor scenarios. But just as clearly a contract reached through the collective bargaining process is badly needed at Options. What you seem unable to grasp is the causality that has necessitated a Union and a need for a CBA at Options. In your VERY biased, narrow minded way of thinking, management, YOU, can do no wrong, has free hand to do as they please regardless of the impact on the employee. This is exactly the limited mentality I expect form the gutless wonders that have not yet been weeded from our middle management ranks.
You have no argument that can hold water, Quit while you are behind.
WTF over!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dude are you drunk when you sit down your computer???? What you write is abstract, disconnected and irrelevant. And dude learn how to use you spell check.
“without a union? There's absolutly no way there can be happy emplyees or a successful company”
I have not seen anyone use absolutes such as never, not possible, or no way can a company operate without a Union on this or any board. We have been speaking of Flight Options and the history that has transpired at our company not some arbitrary, hypothetical, in a perfect world company. What we have learned is that a Union is essential at Options. We have learned from experience, by the abuses that have been laid on us, by the incompetent management that occupied top management levels until recently, and still permeates middle management. In a perfect world I don’t believe any of us would choose Union over non Union. Options has proven to us that we do not live in that perfect world and we need protections from these imperfect management we are stuck with.
“And management is always wrong and always against the employee? Is that that basis of what you're saying?”
The management of Options for the past 5 years has been an abstract failure. When every other Fractional has grown by double digits, we have shrunk by 50%, this can only be attributed to pi$$ poor incompetent management. You want to blame the Union for what ails Options ignoring the fact that its management that’s responsible for every problem we have. Has management had a draconian predisposition toward abusing our pilots? Yes they have. They have repeatedly exhibited it over the past 3 years through productivity reviews, through reliability reviews, through repeated disciplinary meetings designed to intimidate pilots into submission, through firing pilots, 68 at one time, in order to try and scare the remaining the pilots into submission. So yes that is what I’m saying. Options upper management exercised a systematic campaign of abuse of our pilots and the gutless middle managers we still have tolerated it and enabled it.
“If you think that, you're unbelieveable but a good example of one who's stuck on a dogmatic principle of the way things should be and suffers from the inherent limitations of this narrow way of thinking. Kinda like religion, but I digress...”
Dude you have gone far beyond digression. You are way out there. Was this supposed to be a coherent thought? Could have fooled me.
“Where as, I have admitted that the need for a union has existed and may still in some instances, but you folks have never entertained an idea other that a union.
Typical.”
Clearly Unions and collective bargaining are not appropriate in all management vs. labor scenarios. But just as clearly a contract reached through the collective bargaining process is badly needed at Options. What you seem unable to grasp is the causality that has necessitated a Union and a need for a CBA at Options. In your VERY biased, narrow minded way of thinking, management, YOU, can do no wrong, has free hand to do as they please regardless of the impact on the employee. This is exactly the limited mentality I expect form the gutless wonders that have not yet been weeded from our middle management ranks.
You have no argument that can hold water, Quit while you are behind.
