Flowthru alive at LCC?

[FR8mastr]

I have not let the facts get in my way. But you, unfortunately, don't understand the agreement. RE-read LOA 91, specifically the part you quoted above regarding LOA#TBD. The part about TBD LOA applied SPECIFICALLY to ML pilots that did NOT come from the CEL being able to flow-back. Earlier, in that same paragraph it states very clearly that a CEL pilot that goes to MDA and is furloughed WILL be able to go back to the WO carrier from which they came. Period. There is nothing about an agreement needing to be worked out. The only thing needing to be worked out was ML (read:NON-CEL) pilots being able to flow back as well. It needed a new agreement to allow that because all ML pilots were senior to all CEL pilots at MDA. But if everyone could flow back, should a ML pilot be senior to a CEL pilot on the PDT list? This needed clarification and thus a new LOA# needed TBD...

Just to save you time and allow those without access to LOA 91, here is the part in question:

"Pilots employed by a Participating Wholly Owned Carrier who become MDA pilots or US Airways pilots under this Attachment B may flow back to their respective Participating Wholly Owned Carriers. (see the period?, now read further, this is not talking about CEL pilots) US Airways pilots employed by MDA, if furloughed from MDA, may displace into positions at Participating Wholly Owned Carriers in order of their seniority as US Airways pilots [FONT=TimesNewRoman,Bold]in accordance with the Flow Through Letter of Agreement (LOA #_tbd__) to be agreed to by the Company and the Association."[/FONT]​

I agree with your understanding of this paragraph

 

[trainer8]

Pfft...irrelevant...you can teach almost anyone to fly almost anything

Most certainly! But when the Sim costs $650/hr (a 2004 rate), the quicker...erh...the less expense, the better. The FAA approved RAH's 12 hour Bridge Curriculum for qualified E170 pilots. There is nothing to keep LCC from doing it, too. That's a 20 hour per pilot savings/$13K.

 

[WSurf]

Stop....

If I was a 737 Capt, I would not "upgrade" to an FO position. That is a "downgrade" and a pay cut at LCC.

End of theory.


T8

Not true! I know about 3 Captains that took 330 FO postions for quality of Life issue!!
Many were fine with the pay cuts to hold a good line and be home more!!

So the theory continues!!!

 

[Clipper_Aurora]

Scott Kirby (el presidentay) stated in one of those crew news sessions, that hiring will be done out of the wholly owned boys, it doesn't matter what the ML MEC has to say about it, they don't do the hiring, so they can all lock them selves in closet and spank each other silly! It was already proven with our flight attendants, after recall letters went out to east furloughed FA's to go to the west and they turnde it down , Tempe then went directly to the wholly FA's and offered them the oppurtunity......so

give it a rest

it's the least they can do for how greatly our lives have been at PSA/PDT

 

[trainer8]

Not true! I know about 3 Captains that took 330 FO postions for quality of Life issue!!
Many were fine with the pay cuts to hold a good line and be home more!!

So the theory continues!!!

That's great, but it's not an Upgrade. He may have upgraded his QOL, but as far as the FAA is concerned, he switched seats to SIC...a downgrade.

*sigh*

 

[trainer8]

Scott Kirby (el presidentay) stated in one of those crew news sessions, that hiring will be done out of the wholly owned boys, it doesn't matter what the ML MEC has to say about it, they don't do the hiring, so they can all lock them selves in closet and spank each other silly! It was already proven with our flight attendants, after recall letters went out to east furloughed FA's to go to the west and they turnde it down , Tempe then went directly to the wholly FA's and offered them the oppurtunity......so

give it a rest

it's the least they can do for how greatly our lives have been at PSA/PDT

Which crew news? Do you know the date?

 

[lindsaya99]

I don't think that his intention to hire from W/O is to reward PDT/PSA pilots. I think it is to be used as a recruiting tool for PDT/PSA HR departments. Staffing the right seat has become more difficult and what is a better incentive that guaranteed flow through? Or maybe I'm smoking something.

 

[WSurf]

I don't think that his intention to hire from W/O is to reward PDT/PSA pilots. I think it is to be used as a recruiting tool for PDT/PSA HR departments. Staffing the right seat has become more difficult and what is a better incentive that guaranteed flow through? Or maybe I'm smoking something.

Bingo! Cause there won't be many senior Captains going after that! For some that could be up 40k a year pay lose. I myself would lose about 20k to go and sit right seat in a 190 for 3-4 years!

 

[ALGFLYR]

Now that was easy. You further furthered my argument further by proving what I said was true:

We followed the protocols. Period.

Man you just don't get it do you? I have tried to explain but you just don't understand what you are reading. The part you quoted from my post DOES NOT PERTAIN TO CEL PILOTS THAT WENT TO MDA.

 

[ALGFLYR]

Scott Kirby (el presidentay) stated in one of those crew news sessions, that hiring will be done out of the wholly owned boys, it doesn't matter what the ML MEC has to say about it, they don't do the hiring, so they can all lock them selves in closet and spank each other silly!

You're absolutly right. The ML MEC cannot say anything about who they hire. But they do control where those new-hires go on the seniority list...

 

[loser]

and your point... don't all new hires go to the bottom of the seniority list? If you are refering to the MDA pilots; from what I understand you now have super seniority over other CEL pilots as a result of not being allowed to return to the WO's, which is only fair.

On a side note everyone assumes that the PDT MEC is responsible for not allowing the the MDA pilots to return. Has anyone considered this scenario:

The intention of the flow was bi-lateral, however the flow back language was never finalized and not agreed to by all parties, including PDT management. That is fact. When MDA was furloughing PDT was not short on pilots and the flow back would have increased PDT's operating cost (training + more senior pilot group). Since PDT management was not yet contractually obligated to allow a flow back, they didn't.

 

[Sig]

Since PDT management was not yet contractually obligated to allow a flow back, they didn't.

And they're totally paying for it now.

 

[General Lee]

Bingo! Cause there won't be many senior Captains going after that! For some that could be up 40k a year pay lose. I myself would lose about 20k to go and sit right seat in a 190 for 3-4 years!

And you would have to fly from your favorite airport---PHL. What about not seeing New Bern very much and not eating as many crawdads from your dock? Will you do it? You could finally fly a jet.........you're thinking about it....I know you are....


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[WSurf]

And you would have to fly from your favorite airport---PHL. What about not seeing New Bern very much and not eating as many crawdads from your dock? Will you do it? You could finally fly a jet.........you're thinking about it....I know you are....


Bye Bye--General Lee

Out of PHL!! No way Jose!!

If I am gonna commute two Legs it will be for someone that makes it worth my time! Like UPS or Fedex..... Period! Now if I could just stop fishin and put those crawdads down my FE Written would have already been completed!!

GL! I have been on vaction and still can't put a dent into your post total!! Tell Plyt Im givin it a good effort however!!!

 

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