Flowthru alive at LCC?

[Swaayze]

I am not Steve F.

This is just a rumor that I heard on another webboard. I have no inside knowledge whatsoever, hence the question mark in the thread title. It doesn't sound like there's anyone who's able to corraborate (sp?) this rumor so far.

 

[trainer8]

You really have a hardon for trying to stick it to the PSA guys don't you.

Ask your MECC. Don't take my word for it.

His answer will be..."we are in discussions with the AAA MEC." But you ask him. See wat he says.

Didnt you benefit from the flow-through that doesnt exists or did God just miracle you a** to MDA?

Yes. I benefited from LOA 91 which allowed for a flow-up to MDA. A lot has changed since then. There are plenty of threads on this web board's history that can explain it to you.

T8

 

[d328pilot]

you're stuck at PSA aren't you....

 

[LearLove]

you're stuck at PSA aren't you....

If you talking about T8, the above statement shows how out of touch with reality SOME of you guys are. Look at his profile and think really really hard.

 

[d328pilot]

Sarcasm is difficult for some......

 

[LearLove]

while ignorance comes easy for others......

 

[d328pilot]

.....

 

[trainer8]

How is the flowthru dead?

The PSA MEC was told in December by the AAA MEC that he would be censored from contact with the AAA MEC untill hostilities toward APL who were formerly CEL by PSA pilots stopped. Here is the quote:

"Item 2.

The MEC reconvened its fourth quarter meeting today in Charlotte. The First order of business was to hear from pilots in good standing. After Calvin Dilks, the Piedmont MEC Chairman, addressed the MEC on Piedmont issues, The MEC then dealt with a union issue concerning J4J PSA Pilots.

The US Airways MEC has been informed that PSA J4J pilots have not been represented equitably by the PSA MEC and its committee structure and furthermore, have been subjected to what has been termed "cultural harassment." Additionally, PSA is the only Jets For Jobs participant that requires its J4J pilots to serve a probationary period. Mark Stanley, the PSA MEC Chairman, addressed the MEC, at which time the MEC told Captain Stanley in no uncertain terms that they will not tolerate the disparate treatment that our pilots are facing, and reminded him that every jet PSA flies has come from the sacrifices of the J4J US Airways pilots.
The MEC then passed a resolution saying that until the representational interests of J4J pilots on the PSA property are resolved to the satisfaction of the US Airways MEC, the PSA MEC chairman will be denied any further access to the US Airways MEC."


After this, the PSA MECC issued a statement asking PSA pilots to "be nice" and was able to remove the probationary period on J4J pilots at PSA. In addition, the following resolution was passed by the PSA MEC. I'll leave it complete for your editorial delight:

"Whereas the Jets for Jobs Protocol was originally incepted to provide
job opportunities to US Airways mainline pilots who would be
adversely affected through the US Airways MEC's modification of
existent contractual scope language allowing the placement and
operation of Small Jet aircraft at carriers utilizing the US Airways
designator code, name, logo or marketing identity, and,

Whereas the original represented intent of the Jets for Jobs Protocol
was to provide those opportunities to pilots already employed by US
Airways and already part of the US Airways Pilot's System Seniority
List and subsequently furloughed, and not individuals subsequently
added to said list, and,

Whereas the contractual relationship between the pilots of US Airways
mainline and the pilots of Participating Wholly Owned carriers allows
for the creation of the Wholly Owned Pilot Seniority List, more
commonly referred to as the Combined Eligibility List (CEL), for the
purpose of facilitating the placement of CEL pilots into US Airways
new-hire pilot positions after the recall of all furloughed US
Airways pilots through the "Flows between Carriers" provision of the
2002 Restructuring Agreement, Attachment B, and,

Whereas pilots from the CEL were subsequently employed by Mid-
Atlantic Airways (MDA), a division of US Airways, that maintained
distinctions between furloughed US Airways pilots, CEL pilots, and
new-hire pilots that it employed, and,

Whereas MDA was subsequently dissolved through an Aircraft Sale Event
of its' aircraft and operations to Republic Airways Holdings resulting in the
furlough of US Airways pilots and CEL pilots employed by MDA, and,

Whereas the US Airways MEC, through Resolution AI 05-128, placed the
furloughed MDA CEL pilots, contrary to the "Flows between Carriers"
provision of the 2002 Restructuring Agreement, Attachment B, on the
US Airways Pilot System Seniority List prior to the recall of all
furloughed US Airways pilots, and,

Whereas, contrary to the original inception, represented intent, and
scope of the Jets for Jobs protocol and the existent provisions
therein, those newly placed CEL pilots on the US Airways Pilots
System Seniority List are now considered "Affected Pilots" for the
purposes of participation in the Jets for Jobs protocol by the US
Airways MEC and the US Airways administrative office responsible for
the management of the Affected Pilots List (APL), and,

Whereas the participation of those newly placed CEL pilots on the US
Airways Pilots System Seniority List in the Jets for Jobs protocol
represents an expansion of, without consultation or negotiation, the
obligations of any participating carrier and its pilot group under
the protocol, and,

Whereas that expansion of obligations represents an additional burden
being placed on such participating carriers' pilot group resulting in
further harm to the career advancement and quality of life of those
pilots, and,

Whereas PSA Airlines, Inc. is such a participating carrier whose
pilot group would be so affected,

Now therefore, the pilots in the service of PSA Airlines, Inc.,
represented by the Air Line Pilots Association, reject and oppose the
participation of former CEL pilots that have been placed on the US
Airways Pilot System Seniority List in the Jets for Jobs protocol and
demand that the US Airways MEC, US Airways management, and PSA
Airlines, Inc. management cease and desist the inclusion of these
pilots in the Jets for Jobs protocol, and that no further attempts
shall be made to expand or add to the US Airways Pilots System
Seniority List in any attempt to expand or add to the APL, nor shall
any other attempts be made to add to the APL any pilot above and
beyond those pilot that were part of the US Airways Pilot System
Seniority List at the inception of the Jets for Jobs protocol and the
creation of the APL."


As long as this stuff is going on, Flow Through is dead.

T8

 

[d328pilot]

Looks all right to me

 

[skydork]

That censorship was to get PSA MEC to drop the probationary period for the J4Js. They did and in return PSA guys do not have to serve probation at ML if/when they flow up. It was not to eliminate flow through talks.

 

[lindsaya99]

Will mainline require 1000 PIC before one could flow through?

 

[trainer8]

Looks all right to me

I figured you would see it that way. --No worries for the 600+ RPA and SA pilots -- half which are typed or qualified in the E170/190...some of which are looking forward to getting hired into the E190 at LCC.

They are counting on you.

T8

 

[trainer8]

That censorship was to get PSA MEC to drop the probationary period for the J4Js. They did and in return PSA guys do not have to serve probation at ML if/when they flow up. It was not to eliminate flow through talks.

"The US Airways MEC has been informed that PSA J4J pilots have not been represented equitably by the PSA MEC and its committee structure and furthermore, have been subjected to what has been termed "cultural harassment..."" --December AAA phone message

The purpose of CD and MS at that AAA MEC meeting was to engage in flow through discussions. The PDT MEC reported this intent on one of their November MEC phone messages to PDT pilots. That was one of the reasons they attended the meetings.

In my conversations with the LCC J4J Coordinator, the AAA MEC has indicated to him that the present relationship and situation at PSA toward APL pilots is detrimental to any flow through discussions. He stated to me as recently as February that PSA and PDT have yet to put anything on the table that they (AAA ALPA) would agree to. He also stated that flow through discussions were not a priority for the MEC as the LCC/AWA seniority integration with LCC management is priority.

Again, ask your MEC.

 

[flypixs]

Flow up, yes. With no flow down. I'm not sure what everyone is complaining about. Life at Piedmont is not too bad, as far as I can see it. It depends what you make out of it. Screw Sby, the folks we are flying with are all good guys.

 

[WSurf]

Flowthru is not dead! US Airway has too much to lose in lawsuits, money etc.!!
T8 is just holding a grudge against the WO'ed pilots cause he didn't realize that a flowback didn't exist!! I passed on MDA to upgrade and have more options for my future! Curious if you went to MDA while you were a ALG FO?

And why are you so bitter? Even if I had gone to MDA and wasn't able to flowback, I would still support my follow pilots at ALG and PDT! Seems anytime someone post about the flowthru you jump right with your negativity!! It's kinda old!!

 

[LearLove]

hello mcfly, he has 14k plus hours with a dash and shorts type. Yeah he left as an ALG FO - maybe if the MDA bid came out in 1994.

 

[WSurf]

hello mcfly, he has 14k plus hours with a dash and shorts type. Yeah he left as an ALG FO - maybe if the MDA bid came out in 1994.

Then that really explains the bitterness!!!!!

 

[LearLove]

the point is, you guys (WO'd, ones that have been around for a few years) should be able to look at this guys profile and have enough common sence to see he (T8) is/was a rather senior ALG guy (hence the shorts and dash types) that took the bid to MDA and is now a J4J capt at Rep.

If you don't have enough knowledge of the situation to atleast figure this out then how can anyone trust your info/statements pertaining to flowthru? See what I mean jellybean? Atleast get your a$$ in the ballpark first then we will talk.

 

[WSurf]

the point is, you guys (WO'd, ones that have been around for a few years) should be able to look at this guys profile and have enough common sence to see he (T8) is/was a rather senior ALG guy (hence the shorts and dash types) that took the bid to MDA and is now a J4J capt at Rep.

If you don't have enough knowledge of the situation to atleast figure this out then how can anyone trust your info/statements pertaining to flowthru? See what I mean jellybean? Atleast get your a$$ in the ballpark first then we will talk.

Didn't realize those profiles were 100% accurate!!! Jeez, didn't know that we had so many Shuttle Commanders that Hung out on FlightInfo!! Know what I mean Jellybean!!!!

Plus poor T8's career didn't seem to set the world on fire! 14k of hours to run over to MDA for a 30.00hr job!! Man, he missed the boat!!!

Hence the bitterness!!!

 

[LearLove]

Actually I've known T8 for about 9 years now. His career has been just fine and while i wouldn't count our/his chickens just yet, its about to get very good in the not to distant future thanks to YOUR mec's backfiring "slight of hand".

I wish you best of luck