Flops TA

[shanes123]

As Bob Tyler has been quoted as saying "we have to fix some things around here or we are going to get the union we deserve........

B19 is Bob Tyler....

 

[ProFracPilot]

Proof-ready and typos??? OMG. Wouldn't that have been done before you gave the membership a hard-on about a TA? I mean, when you announce a TA, I would think you'd want it in the hands of the membership PRONTO!

So, your NC and Mgt have been checking for typos for 6 days now?

That's pretty funny!

Eh, glad you enjoyed the joke.

If you've been following our negotiations, you would know that the final mediated negotiating session ended last Thursday. Assume for a moment that the "agreement" came in the 11th hour of that session. If I follow your thinking, the E-Board should not have announced that we had a TA until all the loose ends were tied up. Another week? Two? Instead, they've committed to a time frame to present the TA and we'll hold them to that. A few more days isn't going to matter at this point.

Make no mistake - getting the word out ASAP after the agreement is part of the strategy (from both parties) to get the pilots pumped up in an attempt to ratify the TA on the first vote. Everyone is "excited" about the possibility that this thing could be over. And I'm as anxious as anyone to read it. But I'm also using this time to get the word out and remind everyone that when it is released, they need to READ and UNDERSTAND all sections of the TA before deciding which way to vote. The company and E-Board are going to do all they can to sell this thing. If it doesn't meet a certain standard, it will get a no vote from me and I'll be encouraging others to do the same.

 

[ultrarunner]

I'd agree with you there ProFac.....just sort of makes you go hum when they're hanging out making sure T's are crossed and I's are dotted for a week. That sort of stuff can be accomplished while the NC is out doing the road-shows.

But you are correct, IF in fact they're just checking for typos, a day or two 'aint gonna matter.

 

[Lear70]

I'd agree with you there ProFac.....just sort of makes you go hum when they're hanging out making sure T's are crossed and I's are dotted for a week. That sort of stuff can be accomplished while the NC is out doing the road-shows.

No. That's not how it works. Not if you want to get it right the first time.

But you are correct, IF in fact they're just checking for typos, a day or two 'aint gonna matter.

And that's a good time frame for proofreading. Rule of thumb, you never proofread your own work. You'll miss stuff, guaranteed. 2-3 people need to proofread the entire thing from front to back, checking for inconsistent language, bad references to previous paragraphs, etc.

When I was comparing the two T.A.'s at AirTran to current book, you would not BELIEVE the number of typos, bad paragraph references, and just poor language I found. It looks REALLY unprofessional when you do that...

The standard practice is to provide printed copies of the entire T.A. at the road shows, so they likely want to make sure it's right before it comes out but, like you also said, 2-3 days is plenty of time to correct everything, bounce it back to the company with the changes highlighted in the margins, get them to agree to the changes, then print copies and schedule road shows. Assuming that's all they're focused on doing at this point...

Best of luck!

 

[Narrow Bridge]

What a Moron.

Bich you lost, your just about out of a job. This contract will be somewhat less than others (and I'm ok with that, the union never promissed us anything), but I will have protections from you, Mays, Kellers, Schtfingers, Mrkrs, and any other morons I forgot about, oh wait the PSMs too.
Good luck 19, break a leg, get into a car accident, get a new job, or just get drunk.

If you really think thats true, you are clueless. They promised the world and wont be delivering. Thats the bottom line. They didnt get it done, you know it, and now your trying to sugar coat it. There is going to be 2 votes upcomming, one to accept the TA and the other to vote the 1108 out.

 

[dime line]

If you really think thats true, you are clueless. They promised the world and wont be delivering. Thats the bottom line. They didnt get it done, you know it, and now your trying to sugar coat it. There is going to be 2 votes upcomming, one to accept the TA and the other to vote the 1108 out.

What did they promise? Looks like we have a TA (voted in or not) the E board got it done.

 

[johnsonrod]

Have the details of the TA been published yet? Any highlights (or lowlights)?

 

[William Holiday]

If you really think thats true, you are clueless. They promised the world and wont be delivering. Thats the bottom line. They didnt get it done, you know it, and now your trying to sugar coat it. There is going to be 2 votes upcomming, one to accept the TA and the other to vote the 1108 out.

Ahhh, good luck with that, your still dreaming after all these years.

 

[flydog1]

"They promised the world and wont be delivering" The world really?? I don't recall that do you Dime? It seems the non union guys are more hung up on the money than the rest of us. Oh yeah, that's because we know its about far more than the money, that's just a piece of it.

I think they thought it would never happen and now it has. Well I hope they enjoy all the things in the new contract that they didn't support once we vote it in. You're welcome guys! No seriously, Thank Yous are not needed. You're just welcome.

 

[William Holiday]

Yeah, time to SHUT-UP.....and write a big check so the rest of us can fiance our hanger party.

 

[William Holiday]

Yeah, time to SHUT-UP.....and write a big check so the rest of us can fiance our hanger party.

Alright...OMG..I'm kidding, can't take a joke either before the phone starts ringing. jeez

 

[shanes123]

I have a serious question, could someone seriously answer that knows for a fact: There are a few Die Hard Anti Union Pilots at Flops..Would it be possible for them to go to the union and not pay them any dues ever and in return not receive the new pay scale, and other bennies that will be given with the contract..Since a few have fought to even decertify the union..why should they reap the benefits of the contract???

 

[chainring]

I have a serious question, could someone seriously answer that knows for a fact: There are a few Die Hard Anti Union Pilots at Flops..Would it be possible for them to go to the union and not pay them any dues ever and in return not receive the new pay scale, and other bennies that will be given with the contract..Since a few have fought to even decertify the union..why should they reap the benefits of the contract???

Options will be a Union shop. If you want to work there you will have to pay dues. And if you arent a MIGS you get no vote on the TA.

 

[OldCrow]

If you really think thats true, you are clueless. They promised the world and wont be delivering. Thats the bottom line. They didnt get it done, you know it, and now your trying to sugar coat it. There is going to be 2 votes upcomming, one to accept the TA and the other to vote the 1108 out.

What color is the sky in YOUR world...?!?!? I don't think you even have to have one, but if you did, you're going to have probs passing your next
class I. Either piss test, or mental probs.

 

[dime line]

If you really think thats true, you are clueless. They promised the world and wont be delivering. Thats the bottom line. They didnt get it done, you know it, and now your trying to sugar coat it. There is going to be 2 votes upcomming, one to accept the TA and the other to vote the 1108 out.

Yea and your such a piece of sh.. that you will accept the contract as is, accept the pay raise, and you will write the check for back dues, and you will continue to talk smack with the PSM's, PM's and all of your other cronys who hate unions. And if you need help (because you suck at your job), you will be first to call the union.
Good luck with that.

After the contract is signed, you will still be spineless and on your knees!!

Ps. and if you dont like being unionized, QUIT!