Flops TA

[shanes123]

If it's anything less than the industry leading contract that 1108 promised over three years ago, then it was exactly what I said it would be...... lots of turmoil, lots of hell with little to gain over the long period of time.

Measure the success by the original promises made by 1108, not what winds up in the final contract.

I haven't see the TA, but I'll bet that it's a contract that could have been had 3 years ago had 1108 not been so greedy in promising the FLOPS guys the world...

Come on Bob..Youve seen and read it very carefully..Give us the fine details.. I hear you are gonna be out of a job soon..Is that true?? You think Ricci dont know all the things you have said about him before he came back?? He got what he needed from you and now you will be leaving shortly to pursue other opportunities..Thats how the news post will read anyway...

 

[BeenThereDoneIt]

Wow....you FLOPS guys are so sh****ty towards each other. I don't think any of you deserve much sympathy.

 

[skyismyoffice]

I agree before you jump for joy read it. For all you know it could be less than what you have now. The company could have said take this or we close the doors.

BTW I hope it is a good TA, GOD knows the industry needs it, especially all of ya'll

I wish all you 'nay sayers' would stop trying to piss on our parade!

The MEC has repeatedly said that they would NOT present a TA to be voted on unless they were sure the pilot group would vote it in. While that's no guaranty, it speaks louder to me than all your negativity. Go hijack some other thread!:uzi:

 

[Pervis]

I wish all you 'nay sayers' would stop trying to piss on our parade!

The MEC has repeatedly said that they would NOT present a TA to be voted on unless they were sure the pilot group would vote it in. While that's no guaranty, it speaks louder to me than all your negativity. Go hijack some other thread!:uzi:

Sometimes the Neg Comm will present the TA to get the NO VOTE as an indicator for management. Then again, maybe this is a good offer. The only criteria is for the members to read it thoroughly and vote for what you believe is right for you and yours. I hope it's a good one for you all. It will only add to better skies fo all of us if it is. Good luck.

 

[Pervis]

If it's anything less than the industry leading contract that 1108 promised over three years ago, then it was exactly what I said it would be...... lots of turmoil, lots of hell with little to gain over the long period of time.

Measure the success by the original promises made by 1108, not what winds up in the final contract.

I haven't see the TA, but I'll bet that it's a contract that could have been had 3 years ago had 1108 not been so greedy in promising the FLOPS guys the world...

Measure your own success by what ALPO has gotten you over the years. Then again, if you were truely a line pilot for Delta, you woulds understand that. Your continuous diatribes against the Fractional pilots and their well being tells us all you're nothing but a management troll. Go away-you're not welcome here. Or anywhere for that matter. God, I can't believe I responded to this ASS.

 

[Captain Dork]

I raise my hand in a toast to my fellow Options brothers and sisters, and our IBT1108 elected leaders and volunteers. Ironically I also salute the opponents to our organization, because they weren't effective or compelling, only annoying.

Winning is so much more gratifying when you really dislike your opponent. To the loyal brothers and sisters of IBT1108- SALUTE!!! DOWN THE HATCH!!!

 

[FLYLOW22]

Good for you guys.

Now is the time to read and learn what you are voting on.

Have a beer... it's Friday!

 

[hydrarkt]

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The MEC has repeatedly said that they would NOT present a TA to be voted on unless they were sure the pilot group would vote it in. While that's no guaranty, it speaks louder to me than all your negativity. Go hijack some other thread!:uzi:

I don't know anything about your TA or your E board. I have been at NJA for 10 years.

A little history from our side.. our former MEC (Eboard) told us that we had a "kick ass" TA in 2004. I guess that they thought that $69,000 for a 5 year Captain was "kick ass." They were all a bunch of clowns and got our expectations up and then let us down huge.
I certainly hope that this does not happen with you guys. But don't count your chickens until you read it.
Good luck. You guys deserve an industry standard.. And selfishly, I hope that it's better than our TA

 

[be-400xpdriver]

I wish all you 'nay sayers' would stop trying to piss on our parade!

The MEC has repeatedly said that they would NOT present a TA to be voted on unless they were sure the pilot group would vote it in. While that's no guaranty, it speaks louder to me than all your negativity. Go hijack some other thread!:uzi:

Dont take their word for it. Read the whole document, not just pay, and make an educated decision for yourself.

 

[Narrow Bridge]

I don't know anything about your TA or your E board. I have been at NJA for 10 years.

A little history from our side.. our former MEC (Eboard) told us that we had a "kick ass" TA in 2004. I guess that they thought that $69,000 for a 5 year Captain was "kick ass." They were all a bunch of clowns and got our expectations up and then let us down huge.
I certainly hope that this does not happen with you guys. But don't count your chickens until you read it.
Good luck. You guys deserve an industry standard.. And selfishly, I hope that it's better than our TA

A year and a half ago the Union boys turned down a 25% pay raise for us. They promised they could do better. We will soon discover their worth.

 

[Dassault]

If it's anything less than the industry leading contract that 1108 promised over three years ago, then it was exactly what I said it would be...... lots of turmoil, lots of hell with little to gain over the long period of time.

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Don't you think it is ridiculous to have the same expectations for the contract that you had during the peak of the economy to the largest financial disaster since the great depression? Pretty sad statement.

 

[ProFracPilot]

A year and a half ago the Union boys turned down a 25% pay raise for us. They promised they could do better. We will soon discover their worth.

Really. And you were on the negotiating committee...when??

I think all FlOps pilots will take the time and read the TA within the context in which it was crafted: Post furlough and in a deep economic recession. In the 3+ years since negotiations began the game has changed, folks.

How does one define "industry standard" in these economic times? For example, is it only by achieving BASE PAY parity with our competitors? Or will it be defined by other, cutting edge ideas such as both an across the board pay increase coupled with bonus compensation tied to measurable performance of the company?

I have no idea what all is in the TA, and won't know until it is released to the rank and file. So I can't say unequivocally that it will garner a "yes" vote from me. But when released, myself and every other FlOps pilot needs to read, learn, and understand the TA in total before making a yes/no decision.

We have only reached one more marker - albeit a major one - on the road to achieving a CBA. There is still more work to be done, much of it by us - the rank and file. Let's git-er-done.

 

[BlueNose]

Airline Division Press Release

First Contract for Pilots Reached at Flight Options

After more than three and a half years of contract negotiations, the pilots of Flight Options, represented by Local 1108, have reached a tentative agreement with management on a first contract.

In addition to the inherent problems of negotiating a first contract, Local 1108 also dealt with circumstances that few pilot groups have ever faced. Ownership and senior management changes several times during the long bargaining process and the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression, that disproportionately impacted the entire fractional aviation sector made reaching a first contract exceptionally difficult.

Upon being notified of the agreement, Airline Division Director David Bourne said, "It's been my pleasure to work with the leadership and Negotiating Committee of Local 1108 during their negotiations. Throughout a long and difficult process, they demonstrated a total devotion to professionalism and to representing their pilots. I am very happy for the members of Local 1108 and commend the leadership and committee for a job well done."

The proposed tentative agreement contains a variety of improvements, including across the board pay increases for every pilot, longevity-based salary increases, scope and job security protections, a grievance and arbitration procedure, additional PTO for vacation and sick day use, eligibility for overtime for early duty start times on the first day of a tour, a protected crew basing system, seniority based furlough/recall, schedule and vacation bidding, insurance and benefit security, future improvements to the 401(k) plan, a 7&7 schedule, extended recall rights for furloughed pilots, improved leave of absence provisions, safety-based duty and rest protections verifiable mechanism that increases pilot compensation as the business rebounds.

Management and Union representatives will meet next week to proofread the tentative agreement.

 

[dime line]

A year and a half ago the Union boys turned down a 25% pay raise for us. They promised they could do better. We will soon discover their worth.

That was what they offered us when the RIF pilots happened. Were you one of the pilots that wanted to forget about the 70, and take the companys 3 page contract?

 

[waka]

I haven't see the TA, but I'll bet that it's a contract that could have been had 3 years ago had 1108 not been so greedy in promising the FLOPS guys the world...

Once again, you show your ignorance by talking out of your ass. There is no way that Scheeringa would have signed a contract without a union exercising their right to organize.

 

[Myster79]

Easy girls.

The Announcement said they got it done. I didn't see anything about what a "big victory" it was for the 1108.

I still think the 1108 is a Joke and am surprised that the International let them get away with all the amateur monkey business.

There you are, I missed you buddy. Why don't you think about that more as you pound some salt!

 

[Myster79]

If it's anything less than the industry leading contract that 1108 promised over three years ago, then it was exactly what I said it would be...... lots of turmoil, lots of hell with little to gain over the long period of time.

Measure the success by the original promises made by 1108, not what winds up in the final contract.

I haven't see the TA, but I'll bet that it's a contract that could have been had 3 years ago had 1108 not been so greedy in promising the FLOPS guys the world...

Hey buddy! I missed ya! Please read my response to secondsegment as it applies to you also..... Moron

 

[BeenThereDoneIt]

Grown men hating on each other......ruining the industry for each other.....too bad

 

[OHGOON]

Funny, when there were only endless negotiations in sight, the IBT1108 was to blame for the lack of measurable progress, now the first TA is at hand and the union haters know it's a failure from jump street. Seems to me they are unable to eat crow and admit that despite all their unreasoned prejudice there has been progress, real progress......they can't stand it.

Congratulations to the whole FLOPS community. Details not withstanding, you have achieved something big in trying times no less. Congratulations!!

 

[wacoflyr]

Grown men hating on each other......ruining the industry for each other.....too bad

You aren't even employed as a pilot, much less in this industry. And the bile you have spewed toward pilots has been far worse than anything in this thread. Sorry for the thread hijack.