FLOPS Aircraft in MIA

[VA Buckeye]

Do not even consider FLOPS, I will confirm what Buckeyes95 said.

 

[CaveoFalco]

Freudian slip perhaps?

Note that you state that it's not the union that wins a contract, it's the pilots that win a contract.

It's not about fairness or doing what is right, is it NJW?

No, with a union it's all about winning and losing.

If the pilots WIN A CONTRACT, then all will be fine and there will be financial certainty.

If they LOSE, then the union will tear the company to shreds and create financial uncertainty for the everybody including pilots, non-pilot employees and customers.

That's the union way.

He's baaaaack. You were gone so long surely you must have read the 2007 CBA at NJA by now. Whadya think? Pretty good huh? What did you think about all that labor-management partnership stuff in Section 17? Pretty interesting how that section works and the benefits for all. Win-win for NJA and 1108 according to both - guess you can't understand that though and it certainly does not fit in with your "Company management can do no wrong and all Unions are evil model".

 

[RNObased]

He's baaaaack. You were gone so long surely you must have read the 2007 CBA at NJA by now. Whadya think? Pretty good huh? What did you think about all that labor-management partnership stuff in Section 17? Pretty interesting how that section works and the benefits for all. Win-win for NJA and 1108 according to both - guess you can't understand that though and it certainly does not fit in with your "Company management can do no wrong and all Unions are evil model".

Dude, don't confuse B-19 with facts. It will get you no where. He doesn't care about the facts, he cares about the BS he loves to spread.

 

[dime line]

Dude, don't confuse B-19 with facts. It will get you no where. He doesn't care about the facts, he cares about the BS he loves to spread.

No, the BS he is paid to spread.

 

[netjetwife]

Whether paid for or volunteered the FUD and BS get kicked back where it belongs when the facts are posted. Good job with that Cave.

Time for the FUD-Spinner to crawl back under a rock....:smash:

When you see FUD posted give it the boot!

 

[Ben Dover FLOPS]

... Also for the airline types they cannot grasp the basing system. In the fractional world no airplane is based in any one city. You will be airlining most of the time to an aircraft...

Flagshipper, Will you please email this to Scheeringa. Maybe it might help him out understanding our business:cartman:. He's been around for about 5 years now and still hasn't figured this out!!

 

[p3hawk]

Travelair pilots

For the former RTA pilots, if your interested in coming over to NetJets, Email me. So far I have successfully got'in two of my fellow RTA buddies in, and one former CW pilot. I will do my very best too strip flops of its pilots.To those of you who are interested in working for flops, save yourselves the aggrevation and dissappointment.

Cheers P3hawk

 

[SilverSurfer]

Pilots hiring bases

Talked to a buddy of mine in CGF today and learned that management has started to pull their collective heads out of their collective butts. After being told repeatedly by our Union officials that their plan to have 5 or 6 bases would not work, they now are attempting to hire in 16 cities. Even with opening up more cities they will have to deal with the crappy reputation that Floptions has in the industry, the truth about about how management treats Floptions pilots, the embarrassingly low pay and ridiculous benefits, and the bottom of the barrel QOL we have to tolerate.

I'm sure that they will find a small group of pilots that are desperate enough to consider Floptoins, unable to get on with a reputable company, but when we are losing 10-12 pilots a month these desperadoes will be little more then a band-aid. We have green jets sitting with no crews to man them and the jets we do have maned are being maned by 2 PIC's.

SUX to be Sh!tfinger and Punjab right now.:laugh:

 

[B19 Flyer]

Talked to a buddy of mine in CGF today and learned that management has started to pull their collective heads out of their collective butts. After being told repeatedly by our Union officials that their plan to have 5 or 6 bases would not work, they now are attempting to hire in 16 cities. Even with opening up more cities they will have to deal with the crappy reputation that Floptions has in the industry, the truth about about how management treats Floptions pilots, the embarrassingly low pay and ridiculous benefits, and the bottom of the barrel QOL we have to tolerate.

I'm sure that they will find a small group of pilots that are desperate enough to consider Floptoins, unable to get on with a reputable company, but when we are losing 10-12 pilots a month these desperadoes will be little more then a band-aid. We have green jets sitting with no crews to man them and the jets we do have maned are being maned by 2 PIC's.

SUX to be Sh!tfinger and Punjab right now.:laugh:

Union turmoil on the property alone is enough to keep pilots away and force pilots to leave even if a company is perfectly run by management. Two thirds of the pilots invited a union on to the property and got exacty what they asked for. Turmoil and stagnation.

 

[dime line]

Union turmoil on the property alone is enough to keep pilots away and force pilots to leave even if a company is perfectly run by management. Two thirds of the pilots invited a union on to the property and got exacty what they asked for. Turmoil and stagnation.

You are Bob Tyler, that is exactly what he said.

 

[AeroBoy]

So it's OK to punish the pilots for exercising their right to vote in a union, then? Nice.

Flight Options could instantly remove the "turmoil and stagnation" at any time, but management refuses to do so. What does that tell you about the company and those running it? I'm not left thinking that Flight Options is bargaining in good faith...

 

[Hobbes]

Union turmoil on the property alone is enough to keep pilots away and force pilots to leave even if a company is perfectly run by management. Two thirds of the pilots invited a union on to the property and got exacty what they asked for. Turmoil and stagnation.

Do you like painting yourself as ignorant? Companies "perfectly run by management" do not get unions on property. Especially not unions voted in with such a resounding number as 70% (more than the two thirds you quote.)

As far as turmoil and stagnation, there is one group responsible for that, mgmt. It existed in copious quantity before the union and in fact, necessitated the union.

You will not see this because you do not wish to see it, or at least not admit it. Good luck with finding some kind of tenuous grasp on reality there B19. Keep trying, many have failed, but there is always a chance you may one day wake up from your coma.

 

[WabiSabi]

Union turmoil on the property alone is enough to keep pilots away and force pilots to leave even if a company is perfectly run by management. Two thirds of the pilots invited a union on to the property and got exacty what they asked for. Turmoil and stagnation.

Perfectly run by management??? BA HA HA HA HA! Give me a break! :smash: It was management's incompetence and lies that brought the union to the property. You had many opportunities to head off the union but instead, you just rearranged the deck chairs on the Titanic. The funny part was your lame last minute attempt at creating FOPA.

As for stagnation, once again, management. The union has repeatedly requested 2 negotiating sessions per month but you guys refused and just drag your feet. You can't even be on time for the once per month sessions.

Ya know, BOB, every time I think you have outdone yourself with ignorance and stupidity, you manage to sink to even new lows. OK, maybe you're not really stupid. You just suck at propaganda and misinformation. Actually, I say both; You suck at your job and you're stupid, scab.

 

[Galaxy]

Union turmoil on the property alone is enough to keep pilots away and force pilots to leave even if a company is perfectly run by management. Two thirds of the pilots invited a union on to the property and got exacty what they asked for. Turmoil and stagnation.

The village idiot has spoken................

 

[netjetwife]

Good job fighting the FUD, guys! Have you noticed how out of step one poster on the thread is? Since when does larger text help change misinformation to reality? We know it doesn't but that seems to have escaped the desperate FUD-Spinner.

Hobbes and Galaxy, your assessments of the situation reminds me of how my husband refers to people like that ... as the crazy guy who stands out in his yard yelling to himself. Everyone else on the block knows he's lost touch with reality so they ignore him. The louder he yells the more he stands out as a lunatic.

 

[B19 Flyer]

Good job fighting the FUD, guys! Have you noticed how out of step one poster on the thread is? Since when does larger text help change misinformation to reality? We know it doesn't but that seems to have escaped the desperate FUD-Spinner.

Hobbes and Galaxy, your assessments of the situation reminds me of how my husband refers to people like that ... as the crazy guy who stands out in his yard yelling to himself. Everyone else on the block knows he's lost touch with reality so they ignore him. The louder he yells the more he stands out as a lunatic.

There are lots of PMs that speak otherwise and encourage me. As a matter of fact, this wonderful link was sent by one of the many "silent majority" earlier tonight.

http://airlinesafety.com/Unions/LaborCostsStupid.htm

You are calling me crazy and a lunatic? Hardly.

Your husband was an AA alumni that got burned by a union, yet you still believe in them.

I was smart enough to avoid a union carrier and you weren't. Union history will repeat itself. It always does.

As Albert Einstein once said; Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

YOU are the one expecting different results. :laugh:

 

[B19 Flyer]

Perfectly run by management??? BA HA HA HA HA! Give me a break! :smash: It was management's incompetence and lies that brought the union to the property. You had many opportunities to head off the union but instead, you just rearranged the deck chairs on the Titanic. The funny part was your lame last minute attempt at creating FOPA.

As for stagnation, once again, management. The union has repeatedly requested 2 negotiating sessions per month but you guys refused and just drag your feet. You can't even be on time for the once per month sessions.

Ya know, BOB, every time I think you have outdone yourself with ignorance and stupidity, you manage to sink to even new lows. OK, maybe you're not really stupid. You just suck at propaganda and misinformation. Actually, I say both; You suck at your job and you're stupid, scab.

http://airlinesafety.com/Unions/CockpitPolitics.htm

www.unionfacts.com


You babble too much.

 

[Whoosh!]

B19 personally told me he knows he's being an idiot and he takes back everything he says about unions. In fact, he loves them.

 

[dime line]

There are lots of PMs that speak otherwise and encourage me. As a matter of fact, this wonderful link was sent by one of the many "silent majority" earlier tonight.

http://airlinesafety.com/Unions/LaborCostsStupid.htm

You are calling me crazy and a lunatic? Hardly.

Your husband was an AA alumni that got burned by a union, yet you still believe in them.

I was smart enough to avoid a union carrier and you weren't. Union history will repeat itself. It always does.

As Albert Einstein once said; Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

YOU are the one expecting different results. :laugh:

United made one year (Think 06-07) 25 million, but their CEO took in that year 40 Million. How is that possible

 

[WabiSabi]

http://airlinesafety.com/Unions/CockpitPolitics.htm

www.unionfacts.com


You babble too much.

Babble?? It sure is funny that you are the one called Babbling Bob given that you have a past life as a scab. given that your nickname; "Babbling Bob" has been around long ago.

I knew that ultimately, you cannot speak for yourself. Apparently, you need websites to speak for you. Instead of posting links, why don't you use your own brain and formulate your own thoughts?

BTW, BOB, you have, once again, been busted.

 

[Galaxy]

http://airlinesafety.com/Unions/LaborCostsStupid.htm

You are calling me crazy and a lunatic?
YES!

As Albert Einstein once said; Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
Kind of like your posts huh?

YOU are the one expecting different results. :laugh:

I enjoyed the link you sent. Even though it is from 2005. I noticed that it said SWA was the only airline making money.. Ahhh don't they also have a union? So, what makes them different? The mgt at SWA and the union have a relationship to make the company profitable-not just one side.

It also mentioned Jet Blue. The JB stock is half of what it was a year ago and they also had to go to ERAU and UND for pilot candidates. Sounds like they are scraping the bottom of the barrel for finances and qualified pilots. Why? Could it be the pay?

I know that spreading FUD is your job. I am not sure what you would be qualified to do if aviation mgt had reasonable salaries and gave reasonable salaries to employees. Perhaps a divorce attny? They like to talk a lot and lie for pay.
You call this greed of the unions. I can look further than my nose at the real problems. Look at the top of the food chain-CEO's. Did most of them do 26.6 mil worth of work? Did they earn the airline 100 times that? Until the CEO's get reasonable salaries and their frinds get kicked off the boards that approve those silly salaries and bonuses things will not change. In order to support those salaries the money has to come from somewhere right? Well an airline ticket is pretty cheap these days. So the cash has to come from within-the employees. The employees revolt and thats where the union comes in to fight for the rights and pay of the employees. It is a simple solution-control the FAT CAT at the top of the hill. Then the rest will fall in place.
You act like every pilot is asking for a yearly salary of a cool million. Check this out:
The threshold of the poverty line—that's around $38,000 a year for a family of four. Poor is at the poverty line or below.
Now look at the salaries at airlines....They pay at the poverty line or if you can survive you can finally become a blue collar worker.
You get what you pay for--ever hear of that?
You show every day that you are nothing more than a ranting and raving village idiot.

 

[netjetwife]

Hear! Hear! Good post, Galaxy! During the NJ contract battle the pilots dug in their heels because they were tired of working for wages that qualified them for govt assistance. I personally know a NJ pilot that was using WIC to feed his kids. Lucky for my family that my husband was retired AF; otherwise, his NJ wages alone would have qualified our kids for the reduced-price lunch program. Talk about insanity! Expecting professional pilots who are responsible for lives to subsidize the wealthy owners and/or company fat cats is a plan doomed to failure. There is a middle-road approach, based on mutual respect and fairness and 1108 has found it. The majority of frac pilots have chosen that path.

 

[WabiSabi]

Babble?? It sure is funny that you are the one called Babbling Bob given that you have a past life as a scab. given that your nickname; "Babbling Bob" has been around long ago.

I knew that ultimately, you cannot speak for yourself. Apparently, you need websites to speak for you. Instead of posting links, why don't you use your own brain and formulate your own thoughts?

BTW, BOB, you have, once again, been busted.

drunken stupor post.:0

however, the intended content remains true.

 

[Whoosh!]

Have any other Flight Options pilots noticed the font similiarities between Bob Tyler's internal emails and B19's posts here? Better come up with a new screen name Bob.

 

[B19 Flyer]

Be careful what you ask for!

Have any other Flight Options pilots noticed the font similiarities between Bob Tyler's internal emails and B19's posts here? Better come up with a new screen name Bob.

How is the contract coming along? ​

The union was voted in almost a year ago wasn't? ​

All I read is on these boards is about wonderful it is with the union in place.​

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I don't see the union doing anything
but creating problems for the FLOPS pilots.​

None of the other fracs complain about their status.​

Looks like the FLOPS pilots got exactly what they wanted.​

 

[CA1900]

None of the other fracs complain about their status.

Nope, never once have I heard a FlexJet guy complain about his company's illegal crew rest policies...

 

[netjetwife]

CA1900, pppsssttt the village idiot is back out wandering loose on the square ... Watch out! He's flinging FUD again and his speech is garbled--"All I read is on these boards is about wonderful it is with the union in place". I wonder if he drinks while posting

My sympathy to the Options pilots for the embarrassment their unwanted, self-appointed spokesman is causing them. Everyone else realizes that the Options pilots are the best ones to decide how things are going for them and the rational members of the board leave it to them to decide what group is the one causing their problems.

Actually, the Options pilots have come far and just being in negotiations is significant progress. They finally have a voice in their own career destiny. Bravo! I admire them for standing up for their right to professional compensation and fair work rules. First contracts typically take longer than normal because management has to be dragged kicking and screaming to the table... Eventually they overcome their arrogance and learn to partner with the workforce. Smart managers figure out that the best way to increase productivity is to put away the stick and offer carrots. Reasonable members of the frac community know that all you have to do is look at NJA to see how true that is. I guess every village has its idiot...

Boots are the fashion solution for wading through the FUD...NJW

 

[Guitar Guy]

Boots are the fashion solution for wading through the FUD...NJW

With as deep as it gets from a few certain posters here, I think sometimes either waders or full haz-mat suits are necessary to wade through the FUD...

 

[WabiSabi]

How is the contract coming along?
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Ask management, they (you) are the ones that are dragging their feet. The negotiating committee has repeatedly asked for meeting more than once per month. Management and F&H refuses. You conveniently dodged this point the last time I asked you......as I expect you will this time.

The union was voted in almost a year ago wasn't?
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BOB, no need to play dumb. You're already doing a great job at it.

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I don't see the union doing anything
but creating problems for the FLOPS pilots.

You blame the pilots for management's campaign of FUD and hostility? Tell us BOB, (put your playbook down and tell us) how is the union creating problems? There has been an overwhelming amount of evidence posted here on management's lies and deception (of which you, again, skirted). Name one thing that 1108 has done that has created problems. Just one.

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Looks like the FLOPS pilots got exactly what they wanted.​

Damn right. The pilots wanted representation and a voice backed by the RLA. Contract next.

Have a nice day, scab.

 

[B19 Flyer]

CA1900, pppsssttt the village idiot is back out wandering loose on the square ... Watch out! He's flinging FUD again and his speech is garbled--"All I read is on these boards is about wonderful it is with the union in place". I wonder if he drinks while posting

My sympathy to the Options pilots for the embarrassment their unwanted, self-appointed spokesman is causing them. Everyone else realizes that the Options pilots are the best ones to decide how things are going for them and the rational members of the board leave it to them to decide what group is the one causing their problems.

Actually, the Options pilots have come far and just being in negotiations is significant progress. They finally have a voice in their own career destiny. Bravo! I admire them for standing up for their right to professional compensation and fair work rules. First contracts typically take longer than normal because management has to be dragged kicking and screaming to the table... Eventually they overcome their arrogance and learn to partner with the workforce. Smart managers figure out that the best way to increase productivity is to put away the stick and offer carrots. Reasonable members of the frac community know that all you have to do is look at NJA to see how true that is. I guess every village has its idiot...

Boots are the fashion solution for wading through the FUD...NJW

Wasn't the union involved when your husband had the opportunity to fly for Eagle?
That wasn't good enough, but it was the AA's fault, right?​

Unions don't change. ​

Two more years of the nonsense, and the market is still changing.
How many more careers (non-pilot and pilot) will be disrupted by union intervention?​

Those that voted it in got the crap and turmoil they asked for.
All the rest are considered collateral damage by the union.​

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