FLOPS Aircraft in MIA

[Hobbes]

Freudian slip perhaps?

Note that you state that it's not the union that wins a contract, it's the pilots that win a contract.

It's not about fairness or doing what is right, is it NJW?

No, with a union it's all about winning and losing.

If the pilots WIN A CONTRACT, then all will be fine and there will be financial certainty.

If they LOSE, then the union will tear the company to shreds and create financial uncertainty for the everybody including pilots, non-pilot employees and customers.

That's the union way.

FUD FLINGER! It might be kool aid flavored, but it is still FUD!

 

[RNObased]

It's not about fairness or doing what is right, is it NJW?

No, with a union it's all about winning and losing.

If the pilots WIN A CONTRACT, then all will be fine and there will be financial certainty.

If they LOSE, then the union will tear the company to shreds and create financial uncertainty for the everybody including pilots, non-pilot employees and customers.

Fairness, you want to talk about fairness, B19??? How about treating your crews with the respect they deserve??? Has that thought ever occured to you??

I'm sure that NO-ONE in mangement is out to win, right??? Give me a break. This is a ego thing for mangement also. They have to drive the pilots into the ground and show them who is boss.

News flash B19, FLOPS has been doomed since the great Ken Ricci was running the place. You are just too blind or stupid to see it. The only way you can save your silly job and the poor people who aren't pilots jobs, is to care about your flight crews. They are the bread and butter of the operation.

I have spoken with FLOPS mechanics and it seems that mangement likes to treat everyone like crap. Maybe these people would be better off in a different position?? FYI, there are a lot of biz jet jobs out there now. Seems you are just arranging deck chairs on the Titanic.

 

[Spackler]

Note that you state that it's not the union that wins a contract, it's the pilots that win a contract.

Same thing you babbling buffoon, the PILOTS are the UNION!

If they LOSE, then the union will tear the company to shreds and create financial uncertainty for the everybody including pilots, non-pilot employees and customers.

The success of Flops is in managements hands. This contract could be finished in 2 weeks if management would stop dragging their heels. It is management that decides to "tear the company to shreds"

 

[Whoosh!]

Bob, they said they were looking for you on the Ford & Harrison union busting web chat board. They need your expertise in "cuttin' through the puzzle" over there. No time to lose... quick- like a bunny!

Freudian slip perhaps?

Note that you state that it's not the union that wins a contract, it's the pilots that win a contract.

It's not about fairness or doing what is right, is it NJW?

No, with a union it's all about winning and losing.

If the pilots WIN A CONTRACT, then all will be fine and there will be financial certainty.

If they LOSE, then the union will tear the company to shreds and create financial uncertainty for the everybody including pilots, non-pilot employees and customers.

That's the union way.

 

[Whoosh!]

It doesn't have to be that way. Management can settle the contract dispute any time by offering a realistic, professional compensation package and fair work rules. That's all it takes for the focus to shift to building the company instead of tearing down the morale of its front line workforce.NJW

You're right. That's all it would take. Unfortunately, they don't give a sh1t about it. Shawn and Sanjay will get their bonuses regardless as long as they keep cooking up the numbers with rediculous, completely innaccurate programs like the AOP and Fly Right. They couldn't care less about the rest of their employees because #1, #2, and B19 are taken care of. Maybe they're setting up for a nice severence package too when/if the company dissolves or gets slowly transformed into some kind of third rate aircraft management operation.

 

[B19 Flyer]

FUD FLINGER! It might be kool aid flavored, but it is still FUD!

Do the FLOPS pilots "win" a contract as NJW says, or do they negotiate a fair and equitable contract?

Negotiate equates to fairness and both parties share equally. The word "WIN" means that sombody has "LOST".

If the pilots "WIN" a contract as NJW seems to feel should happen, that means that the the rest of the employees and Flight Options as a company must LOSE.

There isn't anything fair and equitable about how a union does business. Everybody loses.

 

[WabiSabi]

Do the FLOPS pilots "win" a contract as NJW says, or do they negotiate a fair and equitable contract?

Negotiate equates to fairness and both parties share equally. The word "WIN" means that sombody has "LOST".

If the pilots "WIN" a contract as NJW seems to feel should happen, that means that the the rest of the employees and Flight Options as a company must LOSE.

There isn't anything fair and equitable about how a union does business. Everybody loses.

BOB! You're back! Actually, since you turn tail and get intellectually scared every time someone asks you a "hard" question that calls you out on your BS, you never answer. So, in a way, you are never here.

Anyway, the win of a contract is a win for everyone in the company and a loss to Ford and Harrison and an incorrigible and incompetent management that will be forced to accountability. Oh, also a loss to SCABS like you.

Remember, it was the likes of you management low lifes that started the war against any contract or representation period. Yes, contract = victory.

That is all, carry on.

 

[rumrnr78]

You've read "all the post" and not sure if you should call them back because they have aircraft based in MIA? If they based 757's with bad work rules would you interview? Just posting on this forum means you know the drill, FLOP'S sucks, GOJets is a slut, et cetera, et cetera... But, wait; all you wanted to know to call them back is MIA assigned aircraft. So you do know the drill. Guess you are adept at grabbing your ankles. Don't expect a reach around-

 

[netjetwife]

Freudian slip perhaps? Not at all.

Note that you state that it's not the union that wins a contract, it's the pilots that win a contract. The pilots and the union are one and the same where 1108 is concerned. Think of the definition of "unity" and you'll get the right idea.

It's not about fairness or doing what is right, is it NJW? It most definitely is, and how ironic of you to deliberately overlook that part of my post-- Here it is again, with underlining added: "Management can settle the contract dispute any time by offering a realistic, professional compensation package and fair work rules." For further clarification I will add that an industry standard has already been established so asking for parity is fair and meeting it is the right thing to do.

No, with a union it's all about winning and losing. The CEO and executives of NJA would not agree with that ill-informed opinion. They just spent months of long sessions working with the Union to find mutually acceptable solutions in areas of common concern. Flt Ops pilots and management have yet to reach an agreement and it is not the pilots who are dragging things out. Their management could settle it by using respect and fairness as NJA did. Instead the Options pilots and their families continue to lose as those professionals are treated/paid like unskilled labor. I applaud the pilots for taking a stand.

If the pilots WIN A CONTRACT, then all will be fine and there will be financial certainty. Yes, when underpaid pilots stand up for themselves eventually common sense prevails and short-sighted managers realize that the carrot works better than the stick. Both sides benefit when fair pay and rules are established. The pilots will have a contract that assures them of a guaranteed income tied to their professional skills/experience and management will have a fixed labor cost and motivated pilots. Thus, both sides will have an easier time making future plans and can focus on productivity instead of acrimony.

If they LOSE, then the union will tear the company to shreds and create financial uncertainty for the everybody including pilots, non-pilot employees and customers. Here's your sign--FUD--and a dose of reality: Labor strife is notorious for causing uncertainty and lowering morale. Refusing to give the pilots a fair contract is a penny-wise, pound-foolish attitude that damages the company's reputation. Pilots don't want to be treated so badly and will leave and/or avoid the place. When word reaches the clients they would be right to question managers who show such poor judgment in retaining the crews who are responsible for pax lives. When it comes to safety, the owners don't want to be wondering if the saying "you get what you pay for" is applicable. We know the pilots are safe and professional, but it is human nature for consumers to ask why a company is able to pay less than the going rate. If Flt Ops management is doing such a good job building the business with their current scheme why not advertise accordingly? Come fly with us. We pay our pilots blue collar wages!
That's the union way. Such BS comments should automatically come with a FUD warning. I'm glad I wear boots.

FUD, FUD, and more FUD from one who is not qualified to post on the subject. In the frac industry there's only one union and their record is well-known. The NJ 1108 pilots just recently signed a new contract (3 yrs early) which was a product of partnership with NJA. Both sides are firmly committed to working together on joint projects that cover all areas of operations. Union leaders/committee chairmen are respected and consulted routinely, especially on training issues. If Flt Ops 1108 pilots are able to win/achieve the same thing then Options and the industry will be better for it.

 

[buckeyes95]

As a former FLOPS employee, STAY AWAY! You do not want to go there, and possibly ruin your career.

 

[VA Buckeye]

Do not even consider FLOPS, I will confirm what Buckeyes95 said.

 

[CaveoFalco]

Freudian slip perhaps?

Note that you state that it's not the union that wins a contract, it's the pilots that win a contract.

It's not about fairness or doing what is right, is it NJW?

No, with a union it's all about winning and losing.

If the pilots WIN A CONTRACT, then all will be fine and there will be financial certainty.

If they LOSE, then the union will tear the company to shreds and create financial uncertainty for the everybody including pilots, non-pilot employees and customers.

That's the union way.

He's baaaaack. You were gone so long surely you must have read the 2007 CBA at NJA by now. Whadya think? Pretty good huh? What did you think about all that labor-management partnership stuff in Section 17? Pretty interesting how that section works and the benefits for all. Win-win for NJA and 1108 according to both - guess you can't understand that though and it certainly does not fit in with your "Company management can do no wrong and all Unions are evil model".

 

[RNObased]

He's baaaaack. You were gone so long surely you must have read the 2007 CBA at NJA by now. Whadya think? Pretty good huh? What did you think about all that labor-management partnership stuff in Section 17? Pretty interesting how that section works and the benefits for all. Win-win for NJA and 1108 according to both - guess you can't understand that though and it certainly does not fit in with your "Company management can do no wrong and all Unions are evil model".

Dude, don't confuse B-19 with facts. It will get you no where. He doesn't care about the facts, he cares about the BS he loves to spread.

 

[dime line]

Dude, don't confuse B-19 with facts. It will get you no where. He doesn't care about the facts, he cares about the BS he loves to spread.

No, the BS he is paid to spread.

 

[netjetwife]

Whether paid for or volunteered the FUD and BS get kicked back where it belongs when the facts are posted. Good job with that Cave.

Time for the FUD-Spinner to crawl back under a rock....:smash:

When you see FUD posted give it the boot!

 

[Ben Dover FLOPS]

... Also for the airline types they cannot grasp the basing system. In the fractional world no airplane is based in any one city. You will be airlining most of the time to an aircraft...

Flagshipper, Will you please email this to Scheeringa. Maybe it might help him out understanding our business:cartman:. He's been around for about 5 years now and still hasn't figured this out!!

 

[p3hawk]

Travelair pilots

For the former RTA pilots, if your interested in coming over to NetJets, Email me. So far I have successfully got'in two of my fellow RTA buddies in, and one former CW pilot. I will do my very best too strip flops of its pilots.To those of you who are interested in working for flops, save yourselves the aggrevation and dissappointment.

Cheers P3hawk

 

[SilverSurfer]

Pilots hiring bases

Talked to a buddy of mine in CGF today and learned that management has started to pull their collective heads out of their collective butts. After being told repeatedly by our Union officials that their plan to have 5 or 6 bases would not work, they now are attempting to hire in 16 cities. Even with opening up more cities they will have to deal with the crappy reputation that Floptions has in the industry, the truth about about how management treats Floptions pilots, the embarrassingly low pay and ridiculous benefits, and the bottom of the barrel QOL we have to tolerate.

I'm sure that they will find a small group of pilots that are desperate enough to consider Floptoins, unable to get on with a reputable company, but when we are losing 10-12 pilots a month these desperadoes will be little more then a band-aid. We have green jets sitting with no crews to man them and the jets we do have maned are being maned by 2 PIC's.

SUX to be Sh!tfinger and Punjab right now.:laugh:

 

[B19 Flyer]

Talked to a buddy of mine in CGF today and learned that management has started to pull their collective heads out of their collective butts. After being told repeatedly by our Union officials that their plan to have 5 or 6 bases would not work, they now are attempting to hire in 16 cities. Even with opening up more cities they will have to deal with the crappy reputation that Floptions has in the industry, the truth about about how management treats Floptions pilots, the embarrassingly low pay and ridiculous benefits, and the bottom of the barrel QOL we have to tolerate.

I'm sure that they will find a small group of pilots that are desperate enough to consider Floptoins, unable to get on with a reputable company, but when we are losing 10-12 pilots a month these desperadoes will be little more then a band-aid. We have green jets sitting with no crews to man them and the jets we do have maned are being maned by 2 PIC's.

SUX to be Sh!tfinger and Punjab right now.:laugh:

Union turmoil on the property alone is enough to keep pilots away and force pilots to leave even if a company is perfectly run by management. Two thirds of the pilots invited a union on to the property and got exacty what they asked for. Turmoil and stagnation.

 

[dime line]

Union turmoil on the property alone is enough to keep pilots away and force pilots to leave even if a company is perfectly run by management. Two thirds of the pilots invited a union on to the property and got exacty what they asked for. Turmoil and stagnation.

You are Bob Tyler, that is exactly what he said.