FLOPS Aircraft in MIA

[VA Buckeye]

Do not even consider FLOPS, I will confirm what Buckeyes95 said.

 

[CaveoFalco]

Freudian slip perhaps?

Note that you state that it's not the union that wins a contract, it's the pilots that win a contract.

It's not about fairness or doing what is right, is it NJW?

No, with a union it's all about winning and losing.

If the pilots WIN A CONTRACT, then all will be fine and there will be financial certainty.

If they LOSE, then the union will tear the company to shreds and create financial uncertainty for the everybody including pilots, non-pilot employees and customers.

That's the union way.

He's baaaaack. You were gone so long surely you must have read the 2007 CBA at NJA by now. Whadya think? Pretty good huh? What did you think about all that labor-management partnership stuff in Section 17? Pretty interesting how that section works and the benefits for all. Win-win for NJA and 1108 according to both - guess you can't understand that though and it certainly does not fit in with your "Company management can do no wrong and all Unions are evil model".

 

[RNObased]

He's baaaaack. You were gone so long surely you must have read the 2007 CBA at NJA by now. Whadya think? Pretty good huh? What did you think about all that labor-management partnership stuff in Section 17? Pretty interesting how that section works and the benefits for all. Win-win for NJA and 1108 according to both - guess you can't understand that though and it certainly does not fit in with your "Company management can do no wrong and all Unions are evil model".

Dude, don't confuse B-19 with facts. It will get you no where. He doesn't care about the facts, he cares about the BS he loves to spread.

 

[dime line]

Dude, don't confuse B-19 with facts. It will get you no where. He doesn't care about the facts, he cares about the BS he loves to spread.

No, the BS he is paid to spread.

 

[netjetwife]

Whether paid for or volunteered the FUD and BS get kicked back where it belongs when the facts are posted. Good job with that Cave.

Time for the FUD-Spinner to crawl back under a rock....:smash:

When you see FUD posted give it the boot!

 

[Ben Dover FLOPS]

... Also for the airline types they cannot grasp the basing system. In the fractional world no airplane is based in any one city. You will be airlining most of the time to an aircraft...

Flagshipper, Will you please email this to Scheeringa. Maybe it might help him out understanding our business:cartman:. He's been around for about 5 years now and still hasn't figured this out!!

 

[p3hawk]

Travelair pilots

For the former RTA pilots, if your interested in coming over to NetJets, Email me. So far I have successfully got'in two of my fellow RTA buddies in, and one former CW pilot. I will do my very best too strip flops of its pilots.To those of you who are interested in working for flops, save yourselves the aggrevation and dissappointment.

Cheers P3hawk

 

[SilverSurfer]

Pilots hiring bases

Talked to a buddy of mine in CGF today and learned that management has started to pull their collective heads out of their collective butts. After being told repeatedly by our Union officials that their plan to have 5 or 6 bases would not work, they now are attempting to hire in 16 cities. Even with opening up more cities they will have to deal with the crappy reputation that Floptions has in the industry, the truth about about how management treats Floptions pilots, the embarrassingly low pay and ridiculous benefits, and the bottom of the barrel QOL we have to tolerate.

I'm sure that they will find a small group of pilots that are desperate enough to consider Floptoins, unable to get on with a reputable company, but when we are losing 10-12 pilots a month these desperadoes will be little more then a band-aid. We have green jets sitting with no crews to man them and the jets we do have maned are being maned by 2 PIC's.

SUX to be Sh!tfinger and Punjab right now.:laugh:

 

[B19 Flyer]

Talked to a buddy of mine in CGF today and learned that management has started to pull their collective heads out of their collective butts. After being told repeatedly by our Union officials that their plan to have 5 or 6 bases would not work, they now are attempting to hire in 16 cities. Even with opening up more cities they will have to deal with the crappy reputation that Floptions has in the industry, the truth about about how management treats Floptions pilots, the embarrassingly low pay and ridiculous benefits, and the bottom of the barrel QOL we have to tolerate.

I'm sure that they will find a small group of pilots that are desperate enough to consider Floptoins, unable to get on with a reputable company, but when we are losing 10-12 pilots a month these desperadoes will be little more then a band-aid. We have green jets sitting with no crews to man them and the jets we do have maned are being maned by 2 PIC's.

SUX to be Sh!tfinger and Punjab right now.:laugh:

Union turmoil on the property alone is enough to keep pilots away and force pilots to leave even if a company is perfectly run by management. Two thirds of the pilots invited a union on to the property and got exacty what they asked for. Turmoil and stagnation.

 

[dime line]

Union turmoil on the property alone is enough to keep pilots away and force pilots to leave even if a company is perfectly run by management. Two thirds of the pilots invited a union on to the property and got exacty what they asked for. Turmoil and stagnation.

You are Bob Tyler, that is exactly what he said.

 

[AeroBoy]

So it's OK to punish the pilots for exercising their right to vote in a union, then? Nice.

Flight Options could instantly remove the "turmoil and stagnation" at any time, but management refuses to do so. What does that tell you about the company and those running it? I'm not left thinking that Flight Options is bargaining in good faith...

 

[Hobbes]

Union turmoil on the property alone is enough to keep pilots away and force pilots to leave even if a company is perfectly run by management. Two thirds of the pilots invited a union on to the property and got exacty what they asked for. Turmoil and stagnation.

Do you like painting yourself as ignorant? Companies "perfectly run by management" do not get unions on property. Especially not unions voted in with such a resounding number as 70% (more than the two thirds you quote.)

As far as turmoil and stagnation, there is one group responsible for that, mgmt. It existed in copious quantity before the union and in fact, necessitated the union.

You will not see this because you do not wish to see it, or at least not admit it. Good luck with finding some kind of tenuous grasp on reality there B19. Keep trying, many have failed, but there is always a chance you may one day wake up from your coma.

 

[WabiSabi]

Union turmoil on the property alone is enough to keep pilots away and force pilots to leave even if a company is perfectly run by management. Two thirds of the pilots invited a union on to the property and got exacty what they asked for. Turmoil and stagnation.

Perfectly run by management??? BA HA HA HA HA! Give me a break! :smash: It was management's incompetence and lies that brought the union to the property. You had many opportunities to head off the union but instead, you just rearranged the deck chairs on the Titanic. The funny part was your lame last minute attempt at creating FOPA.

As for stagnation, once again, management. The union has repeatedly requested 2 negotiating sessions per month but you guys refused and just drag your feet. You can't even be on time for the once per month sessions.

Ya know, BOB, every time I think you have outdone yourself with ignorance and stupidity, you manage to sink to even new lows. OK, maybe you're not really stupid. You just suck at propaganda and misinformation. Actually, I say both; You suck at your job and you're stupid, scab.

 

[Galaxy]

Union turmoil on the property alone is enough to keep pilots away and force pilots to leave even if a company is perfectly run by management. Two thirds of the pilots invited a union on to the property and got exacty what they asked for. Turmoil and stagnation.

The village idiot has spoken................

 

[netjetwife]

Good job fighting the FUD, guys! Have you noticed how out of step one poster on the thread is? Since when does larger text help change misinformation to reality? We know it doesn't but that seems to have escaped the desperate FUD-Spinner.

Hobbes and Galaxy, your assessments of the situation reminds me of how my husband refers to people like that ... as the crazy guy who stands out in his yard yelling to himself. Everyone else on the block knows he's lost touch with reality so they ignore him. The louder he yells the more he stands out as a lunatic.