Flight Opts pilot arrested

[PAPA FOX!]

There is no constitutional right to pre-marital sex. =======================================
I don't give a crap if she is full of crap. As long as he had sex in the stairway with a 16 yr old ... unless she raped him.

That is the stupidest thing I have ever read!!

When I read the above statement my chest hurt from laughing so hard. YOU ARE A CERTIFIED DOUCHEBAG!!

 

[El Chupacabra]

These young kids today. What are you going to do with them? Don't come crying to me when you turn into a pillar of salt.

So given the chance you will vote to legalize Polygamy right?

Why should 3 ,4, 5 or 10 people in a committed relationship be illegal... when its oK to have random sex with anyone you please?

You have convinced me. The Laws against Polygamy are insane.
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But to come back to the point of this case.

A 16 yr old cannot consent to buying and smoking cigarrettes, cannot consent to buying alcoholic drinks and consuming them. We hold any adult who aids a 16 yr old in doing these things accountable... legally... criminally.

Obviously, the adult in this encounter should be held accountable. The consent of a 16 yr old ... holds no water with me ( the parent of two teenagers ).

 

[batsky2000]

Well guess what, she was old enough to travel on her own, then she was old enough to have sex while being on her own, don't get me wrong, if he raped her then he should fry, but if it was of her own free will, then that is good enough for me, weather it was my daughter or not, just because it was your daughter does not mean it was wrong, kids will have sex no matter what these days, I had my first encounter at 14 so what, my father just told me to make sure that I was using protection, other than that, the girl I was with was having sex with me at her own free will

and your age thing is a crock, you can join the military and die for your country as you should know at 18, but at that age you can't drink, but the goverment will let you die for them before you turn 21, go figure

And also by the way I have had many 3 somes and hope to have many more, I hope that does not mess you up to much, but many of us do that, if you never had the chance to do it, you don't know what you missed

 

[FracCapt]

The consent of a 16 yr old ... holds no water with me ( the parent of two teenagers ).

According to the state of GA....and most other states.....it does.

Do you ever hear people talking about that wacko religious fanatic....but can't figure out who it is?

 

[FracCapt]

Nothing better than sex on company time! Of course for me it was with a broke jet while in my domicile.... "Honey, I'm on Company time!!" "All right, at least take a shower!"

Dam.....even your wife has that dirty feeling while you're working? How many companies can claim that?!

 

[HawkerF/O]

What the He*l is wrong with you? By your comments, if some woman accused you of raping her, you would just say OK, and take the punishment? Is that right? It has to be, because by your rational, as long as she said it happened, it did. What a man you are. Send me the consent form your wife signed last time you and her were intimate!! Send it to me. Post it here. And don't give me some song about she is your wife, because a spouse can be raped. We don't know what happened here, but to say just because she said it that it happened is irresponsible. Do you have any idea how many guys have been accused of rape only to later have the accuser recant? I am not saying that is the case here, but you are way out of line. And nobody has blamed the victim, you are the only one that has suggested that. This has nothing to do with liberals, it has to do with common sence, which you obviously have none of. So, send that form your wife signed or STFU!

Bring me the notarized consent form.

Otherwise she says this is not the case. Case closed.

 

[jetexas]

You know what s*cks is that this guy gets his mug put on the news, internet, etc. before proven guilty. "Hey, you're that guy who raped, er uh, was 'accused' of raping some gal!"

 

[El Chupacabra]

So I guess you all would have done the same thing in the stairway. No problem. Or maybe you don't like stairways ... you would have taken a 16 yr old to a motel.

Hope you also go with the public Defender.

 

[G100driver]

This thread is turning ridiculous.

The right wing wacko verses the sex with 16 year old crowd.

 

[BenderGonzales]

Her age is not important to the argument.

Yes, I think its sick...twisted...you name it. The original argument was that EVEN IF HE DID NOT RAPE HER -- it was a crime.

In Georgia, despite whether or not you think its "right", it's not a crime to simply have consensual sexual relations with a woman.

With that out of the picture (it's not statatory rape) then the case becomes a he-said, she-said situation.

 

[El Chupacabra]

The problem with these godless rubes is not whether the Law defines one way or another. The problem is that they possess these evil desires in their own hearts. So they will commit these evil acts in either case. Some will be restrained by the fear of the force of law. Some will not.


I am not without sin or even evil desires. What has restrained me from acting on these desires is not the Law. It is love of the God that created us. It is stronger than the instincts of nature.

A man is faithful to his wife, not because he has no attraction sexually or otherwise toward other women. But because his love for his wife is greater than these.

We are merely animals if we simply act on our base instincts. But I believe we are not merely animals and our spiritual nature allows us to act in higher manner.

Otherwise you are a "slave to sin" as St Paul put it.

Aristotle said, " Every thing acts according to its own nature."

So we can judge the nature of a man who acts out on his instincts in the stairwell of the Atlanta airport with a 16 yr old girl.

I for one am not impressed with this behavior. If we are to tolerate it we will get more of the same... and worse.

"TOLERANCE IS NOT A VIRTUE."
--Giuseppe Siri, Cardinal of Genoa

 

[BenderGonzales]

Boy I love it when you guys have the bible inserted so far up your rectum that you're incapable of independant thought.

Flying with you must be a real joy.

 

[G100driver]

Boy I love it when you guys have the bible inserted so far up your rectum that you're incapable of independant thought.

Flying with you must be a real joy.

LMFAO .... how true. I have had the misforture of flying with the types!!

 

[Semore Butts]

Wow, sex with a 16 year old? Sounds great!

Man, when I was 16, thats all I had on my mind!

I can relate to having the encounters with the woman while traveling to and from work.

But usually I just wake up from the dream, wipe the drool off my mouth and haul my fat ass and roller bag of the airplane.

After 20 years of marriage I have come to the conclusion that being single and having to chase "skirts" must suck. (I wonder if that guy is single? Oh wow if not)

I hear story after story about crap like this "jamoke".

I leave the judging up to God and juries, and I'm neither one in this case.

Yet another example about how a single split second decision can completely alter the rest of yours and other lives.

No need to remind me today to thank the Lord that I have such a great life....

 

[k_EAT=ho_ME]

There is no constitutional right to pre-marital sex.

Really?

What does this mean, then?

Article [X.]

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

El Chupacabra is probably giggling because his flame-baiting has been so successful.

 

[El Chupacabra]

Really?

What does this mean, then?

Article [X.]

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

El Chupacabra is probably giggling because his flame-baiting has been so successful.

I will be happy to help you out my illiterate friend,

it means that the FEDERAL government has powers delegated to it. All other powers not specifically delegated, are reserved to states and the people. So it is up to the states. Because such power is not delegated to the US govt, it is constitutionally beyond the scope of the federal government to address.

It in no way means that there is a constitutional right to premarital sex. The states are free to prohibit it.

Right now several states have laws prohibiting pre-marital sex. In the past at least 32 states had such prohibitions. Generally they have been unenforceable.

Just to help you out. The constitutional arguments certain liberal groups try to use to fight these prohibitions is the 14th Amendment, the 10th amendment.

BTW, IMO, many of the laws we must live under today are in violation of Article X. An example would be federal involvement in public education. Education is not one of powers delegated by the Constitution to the federal government. It is more properly left to the States and the people. Therefore, federal involvement in Education is an unconstitutional usurpation of power.

Do you now understand what the 10th amendment to the Constitution means?

 

[leardawg]

Are you actually advocating that people should do jail time for engaging in pre-marital sex or adultery? Just curious.

 

[El Chupacabra]

No,

Many posts ago someone said that because I was in the military I should have a different opinion than the one I had espoused. I inferred that to mean that since the Oath of Office includes swearing to support and defend the Constitution that I could not logically be opposed to the actions of the pilot in question IF he had the consent of a 16 yr old to engage in sex in an airport stairwell.

My response is there is no constitutional right to fornication. I am not bound by the oath of office to support this imaginary right. My position is consistant with the oath.

Its all really blown up from there.

 

[leardawg]

OK. Like I said, just curious, as it seemed you might be going there in your previous thread.


P.S. Thanks for serving!

 

[El Chupacabra]

dawg,

You got me thinking of another example.

Do we not arrest prostitutes in most states... and post the names of the Johns in some states in newspapers ?

Now how could this be if there is a Contitutional right for consenting persons? I think the ACLU needs to get hot on that one.

 

[k_EAT=ho_ME]

I will be happy to help you out my illiterate friend

...

Do you now understand what the 10th amendment to the Constitution means?

Sorry, that wasn't much help, seeing as how I'm illiterate.

il·lit·er·ate adj.

1. 1. Unable to read and write.
   2. Having little or no formal education.
2. 
   
   1. Marked by inferiority to an expected standard of familiarity with language and literature.
   2. Violating prescribed standards of speech or writing.
3. Ignorant of the fundamentals of a given art or branch of knowledge: musically illiterate. See Usage Note at literate.

 

[Sameold]

El-

I hear ya, but we are in a different perspective b/c we are aware of her age from the press reports. Unfortunately for the pilot, if he knew her age (and maybe he did) than he would not have partaken in the sexual encounter. He may have been having sex with a woman after his flight that turned out to be 16... or what if she lied about her age in casual conversation. I think I heard about teenagers lying about their age once or twice before.

I just get sick of this, “I have a daughter so let him fry.”... well is your daughter a lying sexually active girl? Or would she not engage in activity like this? I don't know NOR do we know the story of the gal in this particular case. But b/c of the laws they can fry this guy in the media, but must protect her. If it is found to be consensual and that she lied about her age, he better sue for defamation of character that cost him his job, his reputation, and potential future earnings. If it is the other way around then we will indeed see him rot in jail, aka "fry him."

There is always two ides of the story and in a case like this you can legally only get one at best at this point...

BUT MY OPINION!! Raping a girl in a stairwell at the airport raises a B.S. flag. Seems like teamwork would be required to not get caught or noticed.

 

[El Chupacabra]

I am pretty sure he knew he was not supposed to be having sex in the stairwell with ANYONE.

Just makes it better that she was 16 and I have to think that that area is a SIDA area. But its been a while since I have gone through ATL.

Repeating. I don't care what he knew about her age. Her age is what it is. Apparently that does not help in GA though.

IMO it is sort of a responsibility for all of us adults to look at for any teenagers we might encounter. When you wear the uniform of a pilot... many young people would consider you an authority figure. Someone who you could go to for help... ESPECIALLY at an airport.

Sorry no sympathy here.

 

[leardawg]

dawg,

You got me thinking of another example.

Do we not arrest prostitutes in most states... and post the names of the Johns in some states in newspapers ?

Now how could this be if there is a Contitutional right for consenting persons? I think the ACLU needs to get hot on that one.

That does make a valid and interesting point. Ultimately, society determines what is acceptable and what is not. Our society by and large considers prostitution and soliciting prostitution illegal, and we don't cry foul when people go to jail over it. (although this hasn't stopped it from being a thriving industry). If 2 consenting adults have sex under a tree in a park, it's at worst lewd public behavior. If money is exchanged before the same act, it's suddenly a more serious crime. This doesn't really make sense, unless taken in the context of what society's level of tolerance is. You can bet if certain people tried to elevate out-of-wedlock sex or adultery to the same level as prostitution, there'd be a civil war. The fact of the matter is, if this guy committed rape or statutory rape, he is a criminal in the eyes of the law. Anything other than those and he gets a free pass (legally), even an "atta boy" from some people (not my opinion, just stating a fact). Flight Options can still fire him for inappropriate behavior while representing the company (or for wearing yellow socks for that matter, since it is an "at will" company). Moral judgements aside, the line of criminal vs. non-criminal is pretty clear cut. In any case, his name is mud now, and it will be very difficult to overcome that. To borrow a phrase from Top Gun, he'll be lucky to "be hauling boxes of fake dog crap around in an old freighter", or something like that.

 

[k_EAT=ho_ME]

IMO it is sort of a responsibility for all of us adults to look at for any teenagers we might encounter. When you wear the uniform of a pilot... many young people would consider you an authority figure. Someone who you could go to for help... ESPECIALLY at an airport.

See, now this, THIS is a reasonable, non-self-righteous argument.

I am pleased to be able to agree with you. By the way, is this you, Dad?

 

[El Chupacabra]

. This doesn't really make sense, unless taken in the context of what society's level of tolerance is. You can bet if certain people tried to elevate out-of-wedlock sex or adultery to the same level as prostitution, there'd be a civil war.

Yes the people who Tolerate this behavior (as long as a 16 yr old gives her consent), are the same one's that are INTOLERANT of the fact that I won't tolerate it.


We are heading to the point where anything goes.

 

[G100driver]

El Chica. I must agree with you on this. She is 16 and an adult should know better.

As far the rest your arguement goes, if she is 18 then all bets are off. We have free will. Correct?

You should work on keeping your pick and choose bible stuff yourself, makes for bad company.

BTW, I have yet to find someone who does NOT pick and choose which bible verses to live by.

 

[El Chupacabra]

If we did not have free will we would not be responsible for our own actions.

I am not sure what you mean by bible stuff. I used 3 words which I credited to St Paul.

 

[leardawg]

So. How about them Red Sox?

 

[100LL... Again!]

I have no sympathy for womanizers. He would still be scum for banging an 18 year old girl.

Let the law run its course - it usually works itself out.
Either way, he is royally fcked.