Flight Opts pilot arrested

[hawkercpt]

aaannnnnndddd....

No matter the outcome, I thinks it's safe to say his professional pilot days are over with reputable company's.

Flight Options is a reputable company?

 

[gray eagle]

hawkeracpt, If, in your mind, Flight Options is not a reputable company, why do you continue your employment with Flight Options? Certainly there are other employment opportunities in your area of expertise with a company that meets your definition of reputalbe.

 

[El Chupacabra]

... I agree with your assessment if the sex did actually occur. Regardless of the circumstances, that WOULD make him a scumbag in MY opinion. I have 2 daughters, and if it were one of mine, I'd cut his b*lls off, regardless of the circumstances.....

Better get your machete out. Unless the press fabricated it. The sex happeneded because he claims it was consensual. What was consensual if not sex in the stairwell?

Bottom line for the first time in history I have something to agree with FAcFriend on. He had sex in the stairwell with a minor... I do not care if he thought it was consensual or how old he thought she is. Turns out he was wrong.

 

[BenderGonzales]

16 is the age of consent in Georgia.

Rape and sexual battery are one thing. If it is proven that he has committed those attrocities, then he should be punished.

If she was simply a slut and a single man took advantage of the opportunity, then that is another story.

If that's the case he should be fired for doing it in public and in uniform, but the criminal charges should be dropped.

 

[El Chupacabra]

Actually I do not care what the age of consent is in Georgia.

She said she did not consent and that is good enough for me. Fry him.


Eh but you can't go by me. I am one of those intolerant people who believe sex should be only between a man and a woman, ... who are married... to each other.

Fornication with a minor in a stairwell at a major airport... in a pilot's uniform.

Sick of Liberals blaming the Victim.

 

[Ticker]

He is screwed, from what I heard is that options already took him off of their list of pilots, he is fired from what I was told, and in terms of guilty, if he is, he will have a felony record for life, that will prevent him from ever getting a security badge or passing a background check, he could even end up on the do not fly list, but that would be worse case, but at the least, he will never be able to pass a background check which will prevent him from working for a 135/121 operator, I guess if he gets to keep his license, he can get a 91 job since they don't require those kinds of checks, but I am not sure if a felony for rape will keep you from losing your license?

One of the stipulations for being elligible for an ATP certificate requires the applicant "be of good moral character". That ought to take care of his ATP weather he's guilty or not since he in essence already admited to some sort of "act". We'll see I guess. There's still plenty he could do with just a comm/me though.

 

[Rook]

Never has the phrase "get a room" been more appropriate.

 

[Sameold]

I am kinda surprised. If the girl who was 16 (of consensual age) may have entrapped this pilot by lying about her age and leading him into a sexual experience, only to be upset after the fact, maybe no pillow-talk, so she told police she was raped. OR As they deplaned he walked slowly while talking to her. They hit the stairs then bam he snatched her around the corner, tossed the baggage, kept her quiet, avoided sight, ripped off her clothes and nailed her.

So which account could be more accurate? I am not judge and jury.

I want to know what you folks think about "company time." It was brought up that this happened on "company time" so fire him. So my question is, what other actions should warrant getting fired during company time and demonstrate lack of morale character.

Some questionable events on "Company Time"
Ever ordered porn on an overnight? (those receipts are easy to obtain by the company)
Get Laid?
Get drunk?
Gone to a strip club?
and many others....
What do you think?

 

[El Chupacabra]

She says she did not consent.

Fine ... show me the Notarized Consent Form/letter. Sure he kept a copy right? Verbal consent is not acceptable.

Otherwise... Off with his head.

 

[PCL_128]

She says she did not consent.

Fine ... show me the Notarized Consent Form/letter.

Otherwise... Off with his head.

Absolutely absurd. This is what is wrong with the current system. "She says he raped her. That's good enough for me, to hell with evidence! String him up!"

 

[El Chupacabra]

What is absurd is the attitude that tolerates this behavior.

At 16 you cannot sell her cigarrettes or even a beer. But you can do her in the stairway at an airport?

That is absurd.

 

[PCL_128]

What is absurd is the attitude that tolerates this behavior.

At 16 you cannot sell her cigarrettes or even a beer. But you can do her in the stairway at an airport?

That is absurd.

She was of legal age in the state of Georgia. As long as this was consensual, then he has not committed any crime in this state.

 

[El Chupacabra]

Bring me the notarized consent form.

Otherwise she says this is not the case. Case closed.

 

[BenderGonzales]

Complain to the Georgia legislature. In the meantime if she decides she wants to solicit a dirty sanchez from this guy on the steps of the State Capital -- there's very little they can say about this!

He was NOT charged with statutory rape. He was charged with aggravated sexual assault.

This is still America (and as a serviceman I assume that has some importance to you) and he has a right to a fair trial.

Personally I think the odds are better than average that she's full of crap. But lets be honest -- unless these two were married in the house of God, it seems like you would have a problem with ANY male or female consumating their "friendship".

Sounds like you're more irritated with premarital sex than you are actually figuring out what happened. Don't worry. Maybe Homeland Security can strip us of THOSE liberties as well. (sarcasm - relax)

 

[PCL_128]

Bring me the notarized consent form.

Otherwise she says this is not the case. Case closed.

As I said, absolutely absurd. Her word is not more reliable than his. It's "he said, she said" unless there is other evidence. From what I've heard, there was no witness to the event, so I find her word no more reliable than his.

 

[jehtplane]

I've seen it many times and go up and down those stairwells frequently, but I still don't see how he could have raped a girl in one of those stairwells. There's people going up and down those stairs continually.

If they are boarding a flight, yes. If not then there are not people going continously and you can also go underneath the stairwell, They are not all the same at every gate!

 

[FAcFriend]

16 is the age of consent in Georgia.

Rape and sexual battery are one thing. If it is proven that he has committed those attrocities, then he should be punished.

If she was simply a slut and a single man took advantage of the opportunity, then that is another story.
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A 16 yo girl is NOT an opportunity.

 

[hawkercpt]

In due time...

hawkeracpt, If, in your mind, Flight Options is not a reputable company, why do you continue your employment with Flight Options? Certainly there are other employment opportunities in your area of expertise with a company that meets your definition of reputalbe.

indeed, in due time. For now it is a paycheck. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[Ultra Grump]

Bring me the notarized consent form.

Otherwise she says this is not the case. Case closed.

This is a crock. Way back when, a female friend of mine brought one of her friends to one of our fraternity parties. She hooked up with one of our pledges in the chapter room. The next day, she (or her family) called the sherriffs, who arrested the pledge for rape. She said he raped her. He said she didn't. We had no choice, under all the pressure from the school and other Greek houses to can him from the house. 3 days after the fact, she then confesses that she made it up, because her father found out (I don't know how) that she'd had sex. That pledge had the same first name as me. Not only was his life screwed because of her, but my life was made difficult as well - "Johnny the Alpha Beta was arrested for rape! Oh my god!!" "You're Johnny? What house? Alpha Beta? Ummm, I think I need to go wash my hair..."

The guy's an idiot. If he raped her, he should go to prison where he can experience it himself. But there is a chance he's telling the truth, that it was consensual. And like it or not, if 16 is the age of consent in Georgia and she said yes, it was consensual.

Innocent until proven guilty - remember those words? The media certainly doesn't.

 

[El Chupacabra]

Complain to the Georgia legislature. In the meantime if she decides she wants to solicit a dirty sanchez from this guy on the steps of the State Capital -- there's very little they can say about this!

He was NOT charged with statutory rape. He was charged with aggravated sexual assault.

This is still America (and as a serviceman I assume that has some importance to you) and he has a right to a fair trial.

Personally I think the odds are better than average that she's full of crap. But lets be honest -- unless these two were married in the house of God, it seems like you would have a problem with ANY male or female consumating their "friendship".

Sounds like you're more irritated with premarital sex than you are actually figuring out what happened. Don't worry. Maybe Homeland Security can strip us of THOSE liberties as well. (sarcasm - relax)

There is no constitutional right to pre-marital sex. =======================================
I don't give a crap if she is full of crap. As long as he had sex in the stairway with a 16 yr old ... unless she raped him.

 

[Spinplate]

Hope she was HOT at least (and she approved)

 

[Spooky 1]

There is no constitutional right to pre-marital sex. =======================================
I don't give a crap if she is full of crap. As long as he had sex in the stairway with a 16 yr old ... unless she raped him.

Sounds like the Moral Majority (what a joke) is alive and well. I think the courts
may get to the bottom of this but based upon the number of guys getting out on bogus charges, via DNA resources, maybe that is even to much to wish for. BTW, if you needed to be of good moral character to hold an ATP, I would suspect that we could thin the ranks of professional pilots quickly. Some of the best pilots I have know would pass for perverts in most parts of the community.

 

[Hobbes]

no constitutional right to premarital sex?

you are an idiot El Fullocrapa.

I hope my airspeed never hits your IQ cause I am falling out of the sky, in ANY aircraft.

 

[El Chupacabra]

you are an idiot El Fullocrapa.

I hope my airspeed never hits your IQ cause I am falling out of the sky, in ANY aircraft.

Thats because you'd be going so fast it would rip your wings off.

But I notice you did not quote the Constitution in support of your position.

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Criminal Laws:
Unmarried cohabitation:

Seven states continue to make it a crime for an unmarried man and a woman to cohabit together: Florida, Michigan, Mississippi, North Carolina, North Dakota, Virginia and West Virginia fall into this category. Arizona and New Mexico decriminalized unmarried cohabitation in 2001.

Fornication:

Seven states and the District of Columbia make it a crime for a man and a woman to engage in consensual intercourse in private: Idaho, Massachusetts, Minnesota, South Carolina, Utah, Virginia, West Virginia, and D.C. fall into this category.

 

[jehtplane]

OR As they deplaned he walked slowly while talking to her. They hit the stairs then bam he snatched her around the corner, tossed the baggage, kept her quiet, avoided sight, ripped off her clothes and nailed her.
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That's the story apparently!

 

[batsky2000]

Criminal Laws:
Unmarried cohabitation:

Seven states continue to make it a crime for an unmarried man and a woman to cohabit together: Florida, Michigan, Mississippi, North Carolina, North Dakota, Virginia and West Virginia fall into this category. Arizona and New Mexico decriminalized unmarried cohabitation in 2001.

Fornication:

Seven states and the District of Columbia make it a crime for a man and a woman to engage in consensual intercourse in private: Idaho, Massachusetts, Minnesota, South Carolina, Utah, Virginia, West Virginia, and D.C. fall into this category.




I have to agree, EL chub is a moron, your first law only states that people can not live together, it does not mean that you can't have sex whenever you want, cohabitation means living together o.k. As for the fornication law, you are telling us that it is illegal for a man and a woman to have sex in private whether they are married or not? so I guess you have to be gay in those states to have sex? So you must be gay? I dare you to find a virgin that is holding out till he or she gets married and if you do they are either full of it, or are idiots themselves, and I doubt that if one is a virgin that both are, I for one live in FL and lived with my wife for 8 years prior to getting married to her, and we had sex all of the time so i guess what I do in my own privacy is against the law now? You are an idiot for sure because I know of a few friends that did hold out and were devorced shortly after because the sex sucked, I believe that you have to test those waters prior to getting married, better to find out then if it works out rather than later, but I guess for you, you are either a stud, GAY or you have never been layed, I am leaning more toward the later

 

[Diesel]

Pictures of the girl would be helpful in our decision.

 

[BornAgainPagan]

Sick of Liberals blaming the Victim.

Abject nonsense.

The opinions here are not divided among party lines. Many rape crisis centers have what would be considered liberal staff. Also, there are many radical anti-feminists that would be very quick to defend the man's position maiking him the "victim".

As for criminal charges, I say let the court decide....not public opinion and definitely not you.

 

[PHX767]

Some questionable events on "Company Time"
Get Laid?
Get drunk?
What do you think?

Nothing better than sex on company time! Of course for me it was with a broke jet while in my domicile.... "Honey, I'm on Company time!!" "All right, at least take a shower!"

Of course it was with my spouse in my house, behind closed and locked doors.

Sex with ANY 16 year old just ain't right! Spoken as a father of 3 girls.

 

[PAPA FOX!]

Actually I do not care what the age of consent is in Georgia.

She said she did not consent and that is good enough for me. Fry him.


Eh but you can't go by me. I am one of those intolerant people who believe sex should be only between a man and a woman, ... who are married... to each other.

Fornication with a minor in a stairwell at a major airport... in a pilot's uniform.

Sick of Liberals blaming the Victim.

You are certainly entitled to your own opinion, but certainly you've got to realize that the laws on the books do NOT prohibit consentual sex, heterosexual or homosexual, between people people over the age of consent. You seem like a religious idealoge in your 3rd statement. I'll be perfectly honest. There is nothing wrong in my opinion with fornication, either heterosexual or homosexual. If I were out and hooked up with an attractive women (18 or over of course!!!!) and we hit it off well, I WOULD NOT HESITATE FOR A SECOND to go all the way with her as long as it was 100% consentual, I used protection, and it was done totally in private.


By making these statements you probably think I'm some sick liberal eliteist like you briefly mentioned. Right? Wrong! I voted for Bush in 00 and 04 and tend to lean conservative on many issues. I am conservative in that I want small govt but am a total and complete libertine when it comes to what consenting adults do in private. Bring minors into the equation and I am furious as all should be.


We need to let the system work as it should. If the man had consentual sex in the stairwell he should be charged w/ indency and lose his job and nothing more since the girl was at the age of consent in GA. If he actually forcefully raped her then by all means he should serve hard time.