Flexjet Pilot Authorization Card

[Guitar Guy]

Union does not help that. Look at AA/TWA, USAir/AWA, AA/RenoAir. All of them are unionized and they were still stapled to the bottom of the list.

Bailey

However, NJA (union) and NJI (non-union) will be done via a virtual seniority list that is DOH. No stapling in this instance.

 

[GSXR600]

LOL-I believe you commented last year how they would never be over 100 planes. Next year will your number be 150? According to bombardier, the 300 is sold out until 2012. How many does flexjets have? I guess their owners dont mind being a "test bed." What's the alternative? Buying the "very well tested" G200, Ultra, CX? How's the hawker 4000 "test bed" coming along? I wonder if CAL is getting nervous about being a "test bed" for the 787? LOL......

AMEN BROTHA!!!

DRINKS ON ME!!!!!

 

[BombJet45]

Union does not help that. Look at AA/TWA, USAir/AWA, AA/RenoAir. All of them are unionized and they were still stapled to the bottom of the list.

Bailey

It depends what you bring to the table. TWA- within a month of chapter 7. USAir- they were in dire straights. RenoAir- no comment necessary.

Doesn't matter though, Netjets buying us is a joke.

 

[Inigo Montoya]

This drive is really gaining some momentum. New users are signing up on the IBT board every single day. I keep running into other pilots in the FBO lounges and the union drive is almost always brought up by somebody. It sounds like a lot are sending in their cards. Lots of new hires coming through too. We need to make sure they get the website for the IBT forum.

 

[bailey3083]

However, NJA (union) and NJI (non-union) will be done via a virtual seniority list that is DOH. No stapling in this instance.

I really hope that the integration goes by DOH and the merger goes smoothly. But saying that a union keeps you from being stapled to the bottom is misinformation.

 

[notapilot]

http://www.ibt1108.org/flexjet/libra...ation_Card.pdf

Just getting this back to the top. I have talked to many crews that don't know where to get their cards. Now would be a key time to make another mass mailing.

 

[Guitar Guy]

I really hope that the integration goes by DOH and the merger goes smoothly. But saying that a union keeps you from being stapled to the bottom is misinformation.

Bailey - where did I say what you mentioned, "a union keeps you from being stapled to the bottom"? I did not state that.

You were the one that mentioned "staple jobs" and I pointed out that the NJA/NJI merger is going to be done via virtual seniority list that gives credit for DOH. No staple job in that instance.

 

[skyismyoffice]

http://www.ibt1108.org/flexjet/libra...ation_Card.pdf

Just getting this back to the top. I have talked to many crews that don't know where to get their cards. Now would be a key time to make another mass mailing.

Print some out and leave them in the flight planning room at FBO's.

 

[notapilot]

Bailey, read their contract concerning your stapling comment. IBT representation would allow us some seniority integration. Without IBT representation we more than likely go to the bottom.



1.10(c)(i)​

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If pilots of the acquired carrier are hired by the Company, the seniority lists of
the respective pilot groups shall be integrated pursuant to Teamsters Merger Policy if
both groups are represented by the IBT, or if the pilots of the acquired airline are not
represented by the IBT, then pursuant to a method to be determined by the Union.
Seniority integration procedures shall be promptly initiated following announcement of
an operational merger affecting the seniority of the pilot groups. ​

 

[hammer2]

Any clue on how many cards are sent in?

 

[fischman]

Bailey, read their contract concerning your stapling comment. IBT representation would allow us some seniority integration. Without IBT representation we more than likely go to the bottom.​

1.10(c)(i) If pilots of the acquired carrier are hired by the Company, the seniority lists of
the respective pilot groups shall be integrated pursuant to Teamsters Merger Policy if
both groups are represented by the IBT, or if the pilots of the acquired airline are not
represented by the IBT, then pursuant to a method to be determined by the Union.
Seniority integration procedures shall be promptly initiated following announcement of
an operational merger affecting the seniority of the pilot groups. ​

That is NOT what that paragraph says. 1108 has learned frpm previous mergers that a simple staple creates bad blood within the ranks. 1108 is about UNITY, PRIDE, and STRENGTH.

 

[notapilot]

Huh? That is what it says. What am I missing?

 

[doylehargraves]

Any clue on how many cards are sent in?

That information can't be talked about but, I'm hearing that we're really close. Alot closer than the company would like to believe.

 

[hammer2]

That information can't be talked about but, I'm hearing that we're really close. Alot closer than the company would like to believe.

Gross you better throw us a pretty big bone;14 day lines, at least 20 different bases, better benefits, 5% higher pay than Netjets, and solve the rest issue, ahh hell there is so many I can't name them all. You blew last time, get it right or this will haunt you. I'm hearing talk from senior challenger folks about bringing the teamsters in.
Things are changing at Flex!

 

[JetFlex]

NASA Selects Space Shuttle Aviation Transportation Contractor

Two years ago this was a flexjet contract. Lots of good news coming from NetJets and NOTHING coming from Flex.

?????

Katherine Trinidad
Headquarters, Washington
202-358-3749
[email protected]


Nov. 8, 2007 CONTRACT RELEASE: C07-055

NASA Selects Space Shuttle Aviation Transportation Contractor

WASHINGTON - NASA has selected NetJets Inc., of Woodbridge, N.J., for commercial aviation transportation services in support of NASA's Space Operations Mission Directorate.

The contractor will provide commercial air transportation services to replace NASA aircraft that currently support the agency's human space flight missions. Air transportation services also will be available to NASA for space mission contingencies, such as in-space and natural disasters. In addition, the contractor will provide air transportation for astronaut crews and mission support personnel to Russia.

The contractor will receive an indefinite delivery-indefinite quantity contract with fixed price rates. The contract will have a maximum value of $25 million over the five-year period of performance.

For information about NASA and agency programs, visit:

www.nasa.gov

 

[Nolife]

That information can't be talked about but, I'm hearing that we're really close. Alot closer than the company would like to believe.

Is it anonymous or does the company know who sent in the cards?

 

[BombJet45]

I believe the cards go to the NLRB. They have to know otherwise 1 pilot could send in the minimum required cards and force a vote. The cards have to be signed because your signature will be checked to verify it's you.
The company does not know who sent in their cards for obvious reasons.

 

[dime line]

Is it anonymous or does the company know who sent in the cards?

The company DOESN'T know who sent in a card.

 

[CA1900]

I believe the cards go to the NLRB. They have to know otherwise 1 pilot could send in the minimum required cards and force a vote.

Look at the address on the card. That'll tell you where it's going: the IBT1108 headquarters in Gahanna, Ohio.

The cards are collected and counted by the union to determine if there's enough interest to petition the National Mediation Board to hold a representation election. (The National Labor Relations Board has nothing to do with this process, as air carriers are governed by the Railway Labor Act. Thus, the NMB, not NLRB, is the governing agency.)


The company will never see the cards, and neither the company nor NMB is involved at this stage. This is strictly between the pilots and 1108, to see if there's enough interest to have an election. (Obviously, if a strong majority of the pilots isn't interested enough to even send in a card, there's no point in doing more.)

I'm not sure what 1108 requires to go forward with a campaign; when I did this with ALPA, I believe they wanted to see 75-80% to petition for an election.


Hope that helps!

 

[Inigo Montoya]

Why are people on the BB willing to accept the promise of a raise in may? why should we have to wait until may? the "budget"? I dont buy it. does DG get a bonus if we stay under budget for the year? My guess is yes, and there is your reason for pushing increases in pay/QOL to may '08.

dont take the crumbs!!! We need to keep the momemtum going.

 

[Photoflight]

Why are people on the BB willing to accept the promise of a raise in may?

I dont think theres been a promise of anything anywhere....just people assuming that if we are given a raise that is when it will happen.

 

[bailey3083]

DG message was nothing more then a stall tactic to try to get people to shut up about the NJ contract. I see the offering coming down the pike right around April. The message will go kinda like " We are glad to announce we are giving everyone a 5% raise! Yes and we are cutting the work down to 15 days!" then hope everyone shuts up and goes to the corner with their crumbs all happy.
I have seen this before at ACA during contract talks. Air Whisky had just approved a industry leading contract and our management was talking just like DG and in the end we didnt get crap.
I hate to say this but if management does not step up to the plate and hit a grand slam then 51% for a vote will be easy.

 

[Club ORD FO]

Well said Bailey!!!! Its going to take more than just $$$. There are many issues here. Work rules, bases, rest rules, medical, 401k.... those QOL issues (like bases) are more important to me than my daily rate.

And we'll have to wait until may? thats too late...

 

[Nolife]

My take on this is anyone at LXJ yrs 0-4 maybe even year 5 is better off by going to NJA. First year pay is several thousand more, free medical, better vacation, etc. How is LXJ planning to keep those guys from jumping ship with a 5% increase?

The only thing that will help LXJ is that every other frac will be losing pilots to NJA and NJA can only hire so many at a time.

 

[BombJet45]

Management right now is trying to find that sweet spot of only having 50% minus 1 of the pilots wanting a union. IMHO, anything less than what NJ is getting will miss their mark. I do see more and more pilots signing onto the IBT site.

 

[SilverSurfer]

Options Pilot

DG message was nothing more then a stall tactic to try to get people to shut up about the NJ contract. I see the offering coming down the pike right around April. The message will go kinda like " We are glad to announce we are giving everyone a 5% raise! Yes and we are cutting the work down to 15 days!" then hope everyone shuts up and goes to the corner with their crumbs all happy.
I have seen this before at ACA during contract talks. Air Whisky had just approved a industry leading contract and our management was talking just like DG and in the end we didnt get crap.
I hate to say this but if management does not step up to the plate and hit a grand slam then 51% for a vote will be easy.

Excuse the intrusion on your thread gents, I'm an Options pilot and just wanted to throw my 2 cents into this particular statement.

Options management did exactly the same thing, saying they were going to give us a big raise NEXT year just give them the time. Well giving them the time would have made the card collection part of our organization drive fail thus killing the union vote. The time frame they were talking about the raise being approved was just over the year period that our organization drive began, cards are only good for one year from the date on the card. There never was any substantial raise and in fact the company continued the attacks on the pilots that had begun two years before. Promises of things in the future are nothing more then that empty promises. If anything that management says is not in a contract it does not exist. Trust in your own efforts and the power of a binding contract. everything else is BS.

 

[fischman]

Excuse the intrusion on your thread gents, I'm an Options pilot and just wanted to throw my 2 cents into this particular statement.

Options management did exactly the same thing, saying they were going to give us a big raise NEXT year just give them the time. Well giving them the time would have made the card collection part of our organization drive fail thus killing the union vote. The time frame they were talking about the raise being approved was just over the year period that our organization drive began, cards are only good for one year from the date on the card. There never was any substantial raise and in fact the company continued the attacks on the pilots that had begun two years before. Promises of things in the future are nothing more then that empty promises. If anything that management says is not in a contract it does not exist. Trust in your own efforts and the power of a binding contract. everything else is BS.

Exactly. If it isn't written, it doesn't exist.

 

[FraxJockey]

Fyi

Exactly. If it isn't written, it doesn't exist.

We DID get the info in writting BEFORE it was implemented in May of this year. Comparing Options management to Flexjet Management is apples an oranges. Flex management isn't trying to tank the company like at Options. I'm not trying to defend either side, just setting the record straight.

 

[notapilot]

There are many on the fence that really believe something special is going to be announced. Once the offering is announced around February, make sure there is plenty of paper in the fax machine at the IBT headquarters.

Over the next 2 months it would be great to have the 1108 do another mailout. This would allow those who have not yet sent in the cards to have one handy after they hear the announcement.

 

[SDCFI]

I'm one of those 0-4 year guys at Flex. I don't mind waiting until May for the improvements to kick in, but they better be BIG. If I don't like what I see I'll be sending out two things: 1) Union card 2) Updated resume to Netjets. I sincerely don't think management is stalling regarding the fiscal year and such when it comes to pay/benefits, but I also agree there's no reason they can't open up new bases and improve the rest/work rules and number of days worked right now. The new TA at NJA notwithstanding we are still at the bottom of the pack when it comes to bases and rest periods (floating rest). That is unacceptable, and ironic since just about every VM reminds us how much we still need new pilots. How can you expect people to come here with mid-level pay and shoddy work rules?