FlexJet Pay/Workrules/Benefits???

[gret]

Remember the good old days when any thread about Flexjet was hijacked by NJ guys before the 2nd page? I really miss that.

I expected this to have some info about Flexjet pay and benefits, instead it's the a 'who screwed up Flight Options the most' thread.

Not a word about Flexjet offering furloughed FLOPs pilots interviews?

Good post...a little smarts into what has turned into a ......whatever you want to call it.

 

[V1 Rotate]

Here ya go...Instead of honoring their commitments to those with interviews already lined up, now they are going to call the 180 FLOPs furloughed guys for an interview, starting with a phone screening just like every one else. Once they've gone through that list and hired the ones they prefer into a pool, then they resume normal, off the street interviews.

 

[993_Pilot]

....Once they've gone through that list and hired the ones they PREFER...

Any guesses to which ones they will prefer ?

( Hint: KR is working around the clock to bust the union)

 

[V1 Rotate]

Apparently, they prefer people whoever can have an intelligent, coherent phone screening, then in person come across as someone who they'd want to spend six days with on the road and then pass the sim eval. That's from them, not me. Any more than that in which you choose to try and decipher is up to you. I have no doubt that this has KR written all over it.

 

[BlueNose]

Any guesses to which ones they will prefer ?

( Hint: KR is working around the clock to bust the union)

Yes, Flexjet pilots, heed the cries of the 1108 leadership and their chorus! They come here warning you that you'd better do all you can to join them now, or risk suffering the same fate that they themselves negotiated for the Options pilot group.

Not sure if this is more tragedy or farce. Can't imagine why there'd be a movement afoot to change things among the Options group.

 

[dime line]

Which way do you want it Ricci or Teamsters?

 

[shanes123]

Why would any flex pilot not want to at least hear what the union has to say? The union is fighting for the pilots. Do you think management has the pilots best interest in mind? One more question has Ricci told anyone at flex he's the best union steward the pilots could have?? That was his big line back in 2000 just wondering if he's still using it

 

[shanes123]

My recollection is that RIF returned while Kenn was off property.

Ricci was on the property and hiding in shadows. He ordered the RIF and schreengia and middle management executed it .. Then Ricci emerged on his white horse fired Scheeringa and acted like he was cooperating with the union and brought back the RIF guys that he ordered fired that's the way it happened

 

[avratdwc]

Here ya go...Instead of honoring their commitments to those with interviews already lined up, now they are going to call the 180 FLOPs furloughed guys for an interview, starting with a phone screening just like every one else. Once they've gone through that list and hired the ones they prefer into a pool, then they resume normal, off the street interviews.

So I guess the phone screen I had arranged that subsequently cancelled due to a HR project is this?

How long till off the street continues?

 

[el raton]

I didn't like the CP's last email concerning sick days. He said when he was rehired he was in it for us. Well he just proved he's not. I hope this is an isolated case not the beginning of managing through intimidation.


If I misunderstood the email then I apologies.

 

[V1 Rotate]

So I guess the phone screen I had arranged that subsequently cancelled due to a HR project is this?

How long till off the street continues?

I am in no way, shape, or form in the know on this. I just try and keep up with it all. That being said, I assume they have already started calling these guys up. Who knows if 20 or 100 or more of them get put into the pool? Whatever that number ends up being will determine when they resume off-the-street again. The first eight aircraft deliveries, the Lear 75's, don't start showing up until July. So, you figure two months for training and maybe a month or so prior to that to start calling people for classdates. The only thing we know for sure are the aircraft delivery dates and everything else, especially the number of FLOPs guys that come over, are pure speculation at this point. Sorry to hear that your interview has been put off.

 

[fugazi]

I didn't like the CP's last email concerning sick days. He said when he was rehired he was in it for us. Well he just proved he's not. I hope this is an isolated case not the beginning of managing through intimidation.


If I misunderstood the email then I apologies.

I thought the same thing! I think the second honeymoon might be over.

 

[Propilot77]

I didn't like the CP's last email concerning sick days. He said when he was rehired he was in it for us. Well he just proved he's not. I hope this is an isolated case not the beginning of managing through intimidation.


If I misunderstood the email then I apologies.

It's quite simple really...just tell us what is going to happen with our sick time, banked sick time and watch the sick calls stop. The fact that NOTHING has come out only means it's bad news because if it were good they already would have told us. Many people are losing tens of thousands of dollars in banked time and will not let that happen again.

 

[ProFracPilot]

It's quite simple really...just tell us what is going to happen with our sick time, banked sick time and watch the sick calls stop. The fact that NOTHING has come out only means it's bad news because if it were good they already would have told us. Many people are losing tens of thousands of dollars in banked time and will not let that happen again.

I'm guessing you're going to PTO: all time off is lumped together in this category as Paid Time Off, and you earn a specified amount per month. I hope you get to keep your banked sick time (perhaps converted to PTO at some ratio), but will be a little surprised if you get to keep all you've accumulated - especially if it is a large number.

 

[slowtation capt]

And that is the value of having a union, for me. A written binding contract for when the company is sold, when nobody thought it couldn't or wouldny happen, but it does and it did.

 

[critter]

Never Mind

 

[chief9404]

It's quite simple really...just tell us what is going to happen with our sick time, banked sick time and watch the sick calls stop. The fact that NOTHING has come out only means it's bad news because if it were good they already would have told us. Many people are losing tens of thousands of dollars in banked time and will not let that happen again.

Your an "At Will" employee. Expect many changes coming down the line. And when you speak up against them they will tell you to go work somewhere else.

 

[shanes123]

Your an "At Will" employee. Expect many changes coming down the line. And when you speak up against them they will tell you to go work somewhere else.

No they will tell you that you don't fit into there CULT ure and you will be let go..

 

[FR8DOG777]

Wow. What a piece of work you are. I'll just bet you're a real joy to be with in the cockpit and on the line. A real inspiration to us all. I Don't think anyone has insulted so many with such little effort. I hate to stoop to your level but please just do us all a favor and step back from the keyboard, take a moment to decide and do whatever it takes to end your miserable existance. Otherwise take your draft dodging, union hating roll up our sleeves crap you're spewing and go F%^& yourself.

What a Moron.

P.S. You don't have to look any further than the mirror FR8 to undestand while Options is the "BARGAIN BRAND" in this scenario.

Hey John, been a little busy for the time being. I'm gonna let you in on a little secret since your so hell bound on playing the value card B.S. In 1999 and 2000 I made more than Netjets and Flexjets captains flying for travel air. I had 2% of my salary given to me in stock options, a 401k match, and a retirement plan that would have afforded me a 1,043.00 a month after ten years of service. All of which Kenn Ricci made go BYE, BYE, BYE. So don't tell me I'm a loser working for the "Value" brand, the only reason I'm still here is to run a business on the side and have substandard health insurance for me, my wife, and three kids. Hate to break it to you kid, but the single carrier suit will be filed as soon as the deal closes. One more noteworthy point the day uncle kenny takes control of your ship is the day you become the value brand yourself. Wakeup and smell the coffee, we have seen this show before we are trying to help you.

 

[skyismyoffice]

Why don't we talk about the offer made to Hawker pilots for voluntary resignation. I think that speaks volumes about what management thinks about the pilot group. What a joke.

 

[shanes123]

What offer? Please elaborate..I'm sure it's another slap in the face..just remover though options is the value provider..flex pilots are premium providers that's the difference. Flex would have been offered golden parachutes

 

[skyismyoffice]

$25,000 or 1 weeks pay x years of service

 

[Imissmypilot]

And that is the value of having a union, for me. A written binding contract for when the company is sold, when nobody thought it couldn't or wouldny happen, but it does and it did.

All the FJ pilots are naive if they think KR or Bombardier has their best interests at heart. The bottom line is the only thing that matters to either of them, and both don't like those pesky pilots.

A contract could have made things more definite as to what is going to happen, but since none of the FJ pilots supported the many union drives that have occured in past years, there is no contract. You would think that FJ pilots would have wised up after the failed sale to Penski many years ago, but I guess not. Now they are going to face the whims of the "Management by Trust" man. What a farce.

Hopefully things will go well for the FJ pilots, maybe better than they went for Travel Air pilots.

 

[gret]

Flex pilots should be very thankful that everyone is so concerned about their welfare and eager to give such sage advice.

What it is hard to figure out is what they want you to do with it at the moment?

 

[John MClain]

Wakeup and smell the coffee, we have seen this show before we are trying to help you.

By calling us Union haters and draft dodgers? Really? That's your idea of helping? I've yet to read any post of yours regarding this subject that could be interpreted by the most naive among us as anything other than hatred and contempt for all at Flexjet. According to you, we at Flexjet should be licking the boots of our fellow Union Fractional pilots for you and they are the only reason we've obtained our current working conditions, pay and benefits.

But you're trying to help us, ya right. If this is your idea of help, I say no thanks. BTW, I don't believe anybody has asked for your help. Some of us have been around the block a few times and are quite capable of making smart informed decisions without the so-called help from an obviously very angry, disgruntled know it all blow hard.

As for my reference about the Bargain brand, there's no card being played. I was simply stating that comments like the ones you've been posting make you sound like someone who's pissed at the world and lives in a house who's tires are leaking air.

There's a very real chance that in the near future, you will be flying with those of us you seem to have real issues with. You better come to terms with it and soon.

 

[John MClain]

All the FJ pilots are naive if they think KR or Bombardier has their best interests at heart. The bottom line is the only thing that matters to either of them, and both don't like those pesky pilots.

A contract could have made things more definite as to what is going to happen, but since none of the FJ pilots supported the many union drives that have occured in past years, there is no contract. You would think that FJ pilots would have wised up after the failed sale to Penski many years ago, but I guess not. Now they are going to face the whims of the "Management by Trust" man. What a farce.

Hopefully things will go well for the FJ pilots, maybe better than they went for Travel Air pilots.

You guys are incredible! What it must be like to be the all knowing experts you seem to think you are. NONE OF THE FLEXJET PILOTS supported the MANY union drives! Really? Wow, I seem to recall quite a few sending in their cards, but what do I know. I've just worked there for the last decade and a half. How many drives have there been Missy? Do you even know? I doubt it.

I'll tell you what, if this is how you and the other Union brothers at Options are hoping to persuade those at Flexjet that are not fans of unions or perhaps on the fence, your doing a bang up job!

Not!

 

[dime line]

Not one pilot at FO is against any pilot at FJ, that is pure crap if you think that. Every last FJ pilot has to come to gripps with the fact that we have been under Kenn (with exceptions) for the last 15 years, we had to deal with the lies and pitches and emails that changed all of our lives.

If memory recalls, (although John Mcain didn't get the email) didn't FJ send out an email and fire a few pilots out of seniority order. That could have been you!

 

[JokerFuel]

Wow. Can you say "Whipsaw"? In the end lets not be a group of contemporaries that worked against each other.

 

[John MClain]

Not one pilot at FO is against any pilot at FJ, that is pure crap if you think that. Every last FJ pilot has to come to gripps with the fact that we have been under Kenn (with exceptions) for the last 15 years, we had to deal with the lies and pitches and emails that changed all of our lives.

If memory recalls, (although John Mcain didn't get the email) didn't FJ send out an email and fire a few pilots out of seniority order. That could have been you!

Have you read the same posts I have? May I suggest reviewing the thread titled Flexjet Read File. It would seem to me that there are in fact some at Options who do appear to have issues with those of us at Flexjet.

Having said that, what's your point? 15 years of misery makes you experts on what's going to happen to Flexjet? Truth is, nobody knows what's going to happen, not even Mr. Ricci himself. Trust me, we here at Flex are very aware of him and his past and are not as naive as some here like to insinuate to think that there are not significant changes coming. Hopefully some good and most definitely some bad. It hasn't been all roses and tulips here at Flexjet the past 15 years either. We've had our share of lies, pitches and emails as well. But posts like some of the ones in this thread and others do not help convince the non-union ranks that having a union is the end to beat all. The argument you are going to see and hear from them is " Gee look what the union has done for the the Options guys, they appear to be some of the most unhappy, angry and abused people in the fractional aviation business, where do I sign?"

As far as the email and firing out of seniority I have no idea what you're referring to. Again you all seem to know more about Flexjet than those who actually work there. Have people been fired? Absolutely. Out of seniority? How are you fired out of seniority? There are always 2 sides to every story but from what I actually know to be fact about some who have been terminated, having a union would not nor should not have made a difference due to what those individuals did to cause them to be fired. Period.

 

[GooseHZ]

The new B19 has played his cards....