FlexJet Pay/Workrules/Benefits???

[Propilot77]

I didn't, busy week. That is pretty crappy and somewhat unrealistic for someone who has to get a medical reinstated or even more minor items that would keep people out for a couple months.


Thanks for pointing it out

Exactly!!!! The FAA can take up to 90 days or more before you get the green light to head back to work. I have a pretty good idea for the change...expedite retirement for some if you know what I mean!

 

[shanes123]

That's how you treat your FAMILY...lots of WORDS... No ACTION!

 

[chief9404]

They were not going to make too many waves in the first year DAC owned Flex. It'll be 2015 and beyond before we see what they really feel we are worth.

Here is something else to expect from KR. He does not pay by date of hire. If you wish to move to another plane he will make you go to year 1 pay again. This was another insult with the RTA merger.

When KR gets his pilots to decertify the union expect some of his former "SFO" pilots to start your Global program.

 

[shanes123]

When KR gets his pilots to decertify the union expect some of his former "SFO" pilots to start your Global program.

You got that right

 

[jetwash]

From listening to Flight options CEO's weekly announcement this evening you got the feeling that when he was talking about Flex jet and their operations he was describing how he was also looking at the operations side and taking note as to how "we" can take advantage of some of their ways of operating and they can take the best from our method to work smoothly together. He even mentioned how Flex with all of the new aircraft orders would be needing to hire on more pilots and that we would take care of "our family" members by placing Flight options furloughed pilots in those openings.( does Flex HR dept. know about this ?)

For two fractional companies that are supposed to be operated separately he seems to be getting involved in Flex jets operations and hiring kind of deeply.


It makes you wonder what the real plans are for both companies.

 

[CL300Pilot]

I have a question for any of the original pre-rta options guys/gals if any still exist. When KR first started options, did you have all of the negativity, or did he change the way he treated his group after the union came on property? It is obvious he is anti-union and I for one am just curious if when you organized, that changed his attitude toward options.

Also, in regards to taking the best of Flex to Options and vice-versa, from a business stand point, that makes all of the sense in the world. He can take two really good companies and operationally make them great. Thanks folks.

 

[brokeflyer]

you just answered your own question.

if he was a great guy and treated employees well, then why did they need a union?

 

[CL300Pilot]

Not from what I have been told. The union got voted in after KR sold to RTA, then RTA booted KR and turned it to crap, then KR took it back and asked for you to give him a year which as i understand it, you didn't do. So, back to my original question, what was Options like before RTA?

you just answered your own question.

if he was a great guy and treated employees well, then why did they need a union?

 

[shanes123]

It's the same speech they gave with RTA "Gonna take the best of both companies make one great company" blah blah blah..translation " we are going to strip you low live peasants down to nothing have you in constant fear of discipline or termination use you abuse you and tell you how wonderful we all are"

Wake up..it's the same bull******************** speech word for word they have given everyone 100 times before. But there's still idiots like Rupert that chase the carrot,drink the kool aide, kissing ass thinking there gonna be saved..well losers it hasn't happened in almost 16 yrs..not gonna happen!!!

 

[GooseHZ]

I was hired in 2000. During the time that KR ran it i experienced:
Hiring PICs off the street and not upgrading current pilot's.
Pilot pushing everyday. Those same mangers are still there.
Ever changing SOPs.
No work rules.
Good old boys club...read SFO program.
Horrible MX.
Safety department was a joke.
Training department was a joke.
It's has gotten a lot better thanks to the Union and the pilots....working for KR without a CBA backed by a strong experienced Union is not an option for me. I will not be part of the Special ED club.

 

[dime line]

Not from what I have been told. The union got voted in after KR sold to RTA, then RTA booted KR and turned it to crap, then KR took it back and asked for you to give him a year which as i understand it, you didn't do. So, back to my original question, what was Options like before RTA?

Bankrupt!!

 

[dime line]

How many times has the large cabin Program Manger been fired and rehired as PM?

 

[flex*wife]

Well with just over half the company being at 4 weeks (20 days) of vacay in addition to 8 sick/pto, 2 funeral and some other nice time off benefits I see this being the hardest thing beyond pay for them to change if they want a happy pilot group.

I have a feeling they know they are safe from a union as long as pay and time off stay the same. I think they are waiting to play the "look how how we lobbied for you card" regarding vacay/pto.

If they are smart (and they are) they won't change these things. They will make up their cheddar on the back end like insurance, retirement or ratios - things flex pilots historically don't bother to look at very closely... Pay and schedules (including time off) are where the flex pilot feels loved... As a pilot group, pretty myopic and predictable. And don't think for a second they don't know it.

The question is does KR hate unions enough to treat flex well across the board (which means very little changes) and keep a union off property or is he brash enough to risk one by pissing his mark in the corners and tweak the hell out of everything???

I gotta say he is obviously smart so my money is on mostly status quo (obviously if they can maintain profit with current standards not much has to change). But like all new masters, he might feel a need to assert his dominance... That's the part everyone is waiting on...

I'm on the fence myself. This is either the best thing in the world for flex pilots or the just desserts of prior arrogance.

 

[chief9404]

You guys should be angry at Bombardier for throwing you guys to the wolves.


I think your right about the pay in the short term just until he can get a de-certification vote. Then the changes will begin. Also, you can kiss your sick days goodbye. He does not believe in sick time. Instead you will get PTO which will be sick/vacation combined. So call in sick you will lose vacation and also be required to go to a doctor to get a return to work letter.

Well with just over half the company being at 4 weeks (20 days) of vacay in addition to 8 sick/pto, 2 funeral and some other nice time off benefits I see this being the hardest thing beyond pay for them to change if they want a happy pilot group.

I have a feeling they know they are safe from a union as long as pay and time off stay the same. I think they are waiting to play the "look how how we lobbied for you card" regarding vacay/pto.

If they are smart (and they are) they won't change these things. They will make up their cheddar on the back end like insurance, retirement or ratios - things flex pilots historically don't bother to look at very closely... Pay and schedules (including time off) are where the flex pilot feels loved... As a pilot group, pretty myopic and predictable. And don't think for a second they don't know it.

The question is does KR hate unions enough to treat flex well across the board (which means very little changes) and keep a union off property or is he brash enough to risk one by pissing his mark in the corners and tweak the hell out of everything???

I gotta say he is obviously smart so my money is on mostly status quo (obviously if they can maintain profit with current standards not much has to change). But like all new masters, he might feel a need to assert his dominance... That's the part everyone is waiting on...

I'm on the fence myself. This is either the best thing in the world for flex pilots or the just desserts of prior arrogance.

 

[luckydog]

I can't wait for this sale to close so we can see if things stay to same or turn to crap as the 5 or 6 FLOPS guys here predict. I can finally relax slightly or start job hunting.